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Post by Christine on Oct 17, 2016 19:07:35 GMT -5
Lara, judging from other post, it's said that Carlos is a good catch back in the 6o's. He good looking, has a good career and heccomes from a good background. My guess is that Ana is a challenge for him. Carlos knows he can have his pick of women but he wants Ana because she does not want him. He to is probably not use to rejection. In life it's a cycle people always want want they can't have. I'm anxious to see if Ana leads him on. Judging from her comments to Rita, she hardly sees him and I would really be surprised if she's slept with him. If he's waited in Ana for five years without any indication that she wants a life with him then he's in denial and obsessed. I would keep it moving if I were Ana. Alfi. Made a good point when she said Ana was honest with Carlos when she told him she did not love him. Carlos is not taking no for an answer. Also Christine made a good point about Carlos man handling Ana. I would be afraid of him. Those are not good signs. He should find love in someone who loves him back. Thanks, VV!! Camille, no doubt Carlos is horrible and Ana should never have allowed him back into her life given his violence. He and Alberto hated each, it's almost like a slap in the face of the latter's 'memory' that she would allow him near his kid. Unfortunately she has, so just looking at it from where it stands now, I just don't get it. It makes zero sense, especially from his end. She can be viewed as a challenge, but its been so long already and it's still such a nothing relationship. I really want to know what Ana will do too and I'm dying to know if she slept with him! I do believe he is exactly like Cristina, only a hateful, obsessed man would sabotage the woman he supposedly loves by keeping those letters and hanging around for all that time when it's clear she doesn't love him. I can't understand how anyone would want to be with someone for any other reason but love. I said from the beginning that the writers shouldn't have put Carlos back in Ann life directly they could have had him still coming to the store stealing the letters the way he is going now. The writers didn't send a good message to women and men regarding physical abuse what Carlos did is considered physical abuse and holding someone against their will. They should have paired her with Marco that would've given them more drama to write about for now Carlos will have to try to get rid of not just letters but Marco too by the way I doesn't matter who comes along Ann loves only Alberto I don't think she is ready to give up that idea that she has in season three that he is impulsive and went on some other flight.
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Post by Camille on Oct 17, 2016 19:56:58 GMT -5
Thank you soo much!!glad we don't have to wait until next year! Me too!!!☺️
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Post by Lara on Oct 17, 2016 20:13:06 GMT -5
Yeah, but if he wasn't in her life what would be the point of stealing the letters? I agree, it sends a terrible message that she took him back after his past behavior. She really has no one to blame but herself for what Carlos is doing. I was on the Ana/Marco train, but they really have made him an all out a$$ this season, so I no longer feel that way. I really like her with Mateo, but that would freak out too many viewers. I would rather she had something casual with someone we don't know or just be alone than be with Carlos. They make zero sense but the show is putting plot (a dumb one) over believability and character development. The two main characters getting involved with fatal attractions is just lazy writing.
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Post by Camille on Oct 17, 2016 20:15:44 GMT -5
Thanks, VV!! Camille, no doubt Carlos is horrible and Ana should never have allowed him back into her life given his violence. He and Alberto hated each, it's almost like a slap in the face of the latter's 'memory' that she would allow him near his kid. Unfortunately she has, so just looking at it from where it stands now, I just don't get it. It makes zero sense, especially from his end. She can be viewed as a challenge, but its been so long already and it's still such a nothing relationship. I really want to know what Ana will do too and I'm dying to know if she slept with him! I do believe he is exactly like Cristina, only a hateful, obsessed man would sabotage the woman he supposedly loves by keeping those letters and hanging around for all that time when it's clear she doesn't love him. I can't understand how anyone would want to be with someone for any other reason but love. I said from the beginning that the writers shouldn't have put Carlos back in Ann life directly they could have had him still coming to the store stealing the letters the way he is going now. The writers didn't send a good message to women and men regarding physical abuse what Carlos did is considered physical abuse and holding someone against their will. They should have paired her with Marco that would've given them more drama to write about for now Carlos will have to try to get rid of not just letters but Marco too by the way I doesn't matter who comes along Ann loves only Alberto I don't think she is ready to give up that idea that she has in season three that he is impulsive and went on some other flight. Judging from Ana's phone call with Carlos I really don't see her excepting Carlos proposal. When he said he loved her and she didn't say it back, that shows that she's still not into him. I'm hoping Ana stands firm with her decision to not marry him. She has kept Alberto alive in her sons eyes so it doesn't appear that she's allowed Carlos to take Alberto's place as a father figure in her sons life. I don't see Ana marring someone she does not love. Ana actually looked annoyed when he said he loved her. Carlos makes me cringe.😝 I hope Ana says no. 🙏🏻
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Post by Lara on Oct 17, 2016 20:30:46 GMT -5
That's what I've been hoping for from the beginning, Ana finally showing a backbone and dumping Carlos. I think I've been the only who thinks both weddings (if one isn't a fantasy) are to Alberto. I'm hoping that happens as well. Everything we've seen confirms that Ana doesn't love Carlos, no matter how much time goes by. The only reason I can see her accepting the proposal (I'll eat my hat if she actually marries him) is if she wants to give her child a family, even though it would be out of character to marry someone she doesn't love. She's been acting a bit out of character since S3, so it's not so predictable. Ana always did look annoyed by him too. In S3 when he kept sending the flowers, she just rolled her eyes. She's hiding behind a safe relationship because she is still in love with Alberto and afraid to put herself back out there. That's not to say that she couldn't tell Carlos that they should both move on and find people they could love. As much as Ana loves Alberto, it's possible she could fall in love with someone else, just not Carlos. We know Alberto will come back before that happens, but just knowing Ana took that step would show how strong her character has become. Ana was strong S1&2, but I felt regressed and was weak in 3, so this would bring her full circle.
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Post by Texas on Oct 17, 2016 20:35:34 GMT -5
I'm so glad to have this forum to read other people's opinions on this story. My daughter and I watch velvet,so we discuss it,but it's interesting to see what you all think might happen..! Part 1 ep 2 was good. I'm beginning to get into it now and look forward to it every week. I'm kinda learning some Spanish (ha)and about the culture. That's a good reason to watch.. yeah sure..well, the story is interesting but like I always say.. I miss Alberto.
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Post by Liz on Oct 17, 2016 22:10:59 GMT -5
Thank you so much! You totally rock! 😄
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Post by Guess on Oct 18, 2016 4:23:02 GMT -5
Thank you so much! You totally rock! 😄
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Post by Camille on Oct 18, 2016 7:18:18 GMT -5
That's what I've been hoping for from the beginning, Ana finally showing a backbone and dumping Carlos. I think I've been the only who thinks both weddings (if one isn't a fantasy) are to Alberto. I'm hoping that happens as well. Everything we've seen confirms that Ana doesn't love Carlos, no matter how much time goes by. The only reason I can see her accepting the proposal (I'll eat my hat if she actually marries him) is if she wants to give her child a family, even though it would be out of character to marry someone she doesn't love. She's been acting a bit out of character since S3, so it's not so predictable. Ana always did look annoyed by him too. In S3 when he kept sending the flowers, she just rolled her eyes. She's hiding behind a safe relationship because she is still in love with Alberto and afraid to put herself back out there. That's not to say that she couldn't tell Carlos that they should both move on and find people they could love. As much as Ana loves Alberto, it's possible she could fall in love with someone else, just not Carlos. We know Alberto will come back before that happens, but just knowing Ana took that step would show how strong her character has become. Ana was strong S1&2, but I felt regressed and was weak in 3, so this would bring her full circle. Yes you have been saying from the beginning that both weddings are too Alberto. My gut tells me one if those weddings might be to Carlos but gets interrupted by Alberto. In the pic with Ana is in front of the mirror with all white she looks to be preparing for a wedding but she doesn't look really happy. Ana has the appearence of someone who made a decision she does not really want to do. The pic with her getting out if the white car she looks happy and I'm thinking that one is to Alberto. I hope you're right and both weddings are to Alberto.
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Post by Christine on Oct 18, 2016 7:42:54 GMT -5
That's what I've been hoping for from the beginning, Ana finally showing a backbone and dumping Carlos. I think I've been the only who thinks both weddings (if one isn't a fantasy) are to Alberto. I'm hoping that happens as well. Everything we've seen confirms that Ana doesn't love Carlos, no matter how much time goes by. The only reason I can see her accepting the proposal (I'll eat my hat if she actually marries him) is if she wants to give her child a family, even though it would be out of character to marry someone she doesn't love. She's been acting a bit out of character since S3, so it's not so predictable. Ana always did look annoyed by him too. In S3 when he kept sending the flowers, she just rolled her eyes. She's hiding behind a safe relationship because she is still in love with Alberto and afraid to put herself back out there. That's not to say that she couldn't tell Carlos that they should both move on and find people they could love. As much as Ana loves Alberto, it's possible she could fall in love with someone else, just not Carlos. We know Alberto will come back before that happens, but just knowing Ana took that step would show how strong her character has become. Ana was strong S1&2, but I felt regressed and was weak in 3, so this would bring her full circle. Yes you have been saying from the beginning that both weddings are too Alberto. My gut tells me one if those weddings might be to Carlos but gets interrupted by Alberto. In the pic with Ana is in front of the mirror with all white she looks to be preparing for a wedding but she doesn't look really happy. Ana has the appearence of someone who made a decision she does not really want to do. The pic with her getting out if the white car she looks happy and I'm thinking that one is to Alberto. I hope you're right and both weddings are to Alberto. Camille there's a pic with Ann Carlos and Alberto Junior in the middle all dressed up I wonder what that's about? Raul I am in love 😍 with that man well he is third in line after Alberto and matao 😜
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Post by Lara on Oct 18, 2016 10:42:40 GMT -5
I'm still holding onto that theory, maybe Rita's illness will cause it to be delayed, but Ana canceling another wedding to Alberto is a HUGE no, no. I fear it'll be a more complex reason than Rita though. I don't think Alberto interrupts any wedding because we've seen the reunion and if Carlos isnt dumped before, he will be after Alberto comes back. The dress Ana is trying on isn't the same as the one in the pictures. It looks like the one Jonas is looking at the trailer. The long hair wedding is the one that's 100% to Alberto, so if any wedding is to Carlos, it has to be the short haired. The later the proposal the better I think as far as a wedding not happening.
Part 2 of 4X2 IS UP
Thanks VV
My thoughts:
Seems like Adele knows a lot (she's the new Sara) except that Cristina is persona non grata and that they all think Alberto's dead. She confirmed that Alberto's been following Ana's career, but there is no way he knows she has a child unless he thinks it's Carlos.' I'm still not sure why Adele didn't speak directly to Ana about Alberto after seeing her reaction to the dress. I still feel like Alberto sent Adele there as bait to get Ana to contact or see him. It has got to be the only reason she didn't directly talk about Alberto or deliver a message from him. I'm reserving judgement until the next episode about why Adele doesn't tell Alberto they all think he's dead and what went down during her time at Velvet, including telling Cristina he's alive. Cristina has to shut her up in some way or this will be an even bigger plot hole than Alberto's 5 year absence.
I think Cristina's narcisstic traits are still there, they've come out with Raul and Enrique, but she seems to be trying with Ana (though it still comes off as an act to me from an acting perspective). However, all bets are off starting with ep 3. I think she would rather Alberto actually be dead than see him and Ana together. Probably him and any other woman honestly, but it's out of sight, out of mind with the others and she knows Ana is the love of his life.
Carlos asking Ana to live with him multiple times.. I'm curious if the red dress will factor into her making a decision about him one way or another. Like in S2 when Alberto bought it for her and she gave it back to him because she said they both needed to move on.
Marco seems like he not only wants to get rid of Ana's new line, but Ana herself. I was hoping she would leave at the end of her own choosing and sacrifice for Alberto instead of being forced out. I'm still intrigued by the New York sign in the collection photos.
Love Jonas and the tailor s/l. It would be great to see him get a love interest worthy of his awesomeness, I don't think Patricia is. Mateo was gold as usual and I really liked Petra. Pedro still drives me nuts. Omg, Rita deserved better than that buffoon. I know he has a good heart and I don't hate him, but he's just such a dope.
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Post by Christine on Oct 18, 2016 10:58:31 GMT -5
I'm still holding onto that theory, maybe Rita's illness will cause it to be delayed, but Ana canceling another wedding to Alberto is a HUGE no, no. I fear it'll be a more complex reason than Rita though. I don't think Alberto interrupts any wedding because we've seen the reunion and if Carlos isnt dumped before, he will be after Alberto comes back. The dress Ana is trying on isn't the same as the one in the pictures. It looks like the one Jonas is looking at the trailer. The long hair wedding is the one that's 100% to Alberto, so if any wedding is to Carlos, it has to be the short haired. The later the proposal the better I think as far as a wedding not happening. Part 2 of 4X2 IS UP
Thanks VV My thoughts: Seems like Adele knows a lot (she's the new Sara) except that Cristina is persona non grata and that they all think Alberto's dead. She confirmed that Alberto's been following Ana's career, but there is no way he knows she has a child unless he thinks it's Carlos.' I'm still not sure why Adele didn't speak directly to Ana about Alberto after seeing her reaction to the dress. I still feel like Alberto sent Adele there as bait to get Ana to contact or see him. It has got to be the only reason she didn't directly talk about Alberto or deliver a message from him. I'm reserving judgement until the next episode about why Adele doesn't tell Alberto they all think he's dead and what went down during her time at Velvet, including telling Cristina he's alive. Cristina has to shut her up in some way or this will be an even bigger plot hole than Alberto's 5 year absence. I think Cristina's narcisstic traits are still there, they've come out with Raul and Enrique, but she seems to be trying with Ana (though it still comes off as an act to me from an acting perspective). However, all bets are off starting with ep 3. I think she would rather Alberto actually be dead than see him and Ana together. Probably him and any other woman honestly, but it's out of sight, out of mind with the others and she knows Ana is the love of his life. Carlos asking Ana to live with him multiple times.. I'm curious if the red dress will factor into her making a decision about him one way or another. Like in S2 when Alberto bought it for her and she gave it back to him because she said they both needed to move on. Marco seems like he not only wants to get rid of Ana's new line, but Ana herself. I was hoping she would leave at the end of her own choosing and sacrifice for Alberto instead of being forced out. I'm still intrigued by the New York sign in the collection photos. Love Jonas and the tailor s/l. It would be great to see him get a love interest worthy of his awesomeness, I don't think Patricia is. Mateo was gold as usual and I really liked Petra. Pedro still drives me nuts. Omg, Rita deserved better than that buffoon. I know he has a good heart and I don't hate him, but he's just such a dope. [. Buffoon 🙊 Laura I haven't seen or heard that word in years omg 😄You are killing me I am really going to miss you 😘 guys when this show is over 😂
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Post by christine on Oct 18, 2016 11:11:21 GMT -5
where is part 2? its not where part one is.
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Post by amh08 on Oct 18, 2016 11:47:04 GMT -5
Just finished watching the entire episode. I so want to believe that Cristina has changed. She seems to be trying so hard.
I sort of like how Enrique seems to really care about Patricia, their relationship has definitely evolved past just sex. He seemed to have turned over a new leaf until he conspired with Marco. Marco is just pure evil. Why why would anyone help that man?! And poor imbecile Pedro has no clue they are using him as a spy to sabotage Ana.
Poor Rita. Why does she constantly play the martyr. Constantly putting on a happy face and shouldering her personal burdens alone. She has done this every season and while she thinks she is being selfless she isolates herself from her friends and family and suffers alone.
I'm so excited Mateo is coming back. I love the friendship he and Alberto and Raul had developed. It's so fun to see them together.
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Post by Lara on Oct 18, 2016 11:48:09 GMT -5
I'm still holding onto that theory, maybe Rita's illness will cause it to be delayed, but Ana canceling another wedding to Alberto is a HUGE no, no. I fear it'll be a more complex reason than Rita though. I don't think Alberto interrupts any wedding because we've seen the reunion and if Carlos isnt dumped before, he will be after Alberto comes back. The dress Ana is trying on isn't the same as the one in the pictures. It looks like the one Jonas is looking at the trailer. The long hair wedding is the one that's 100% to Alberto, so if any wedding is to Carlos, it has to be the short haired. The later the proposal the better I think as far as a wedding not happening. Part 2 of 4X2 IS UP
Thanks VV My thoughts: Seems like Adele knows a lot (she's the new Sara) except that Cristina is persona non grata and that they all think Alberto's dead. She confirmed that Alberto's been following Ana's career, but there is no way he knows she has a child unless he thinks it's Carlos.' I'm still not sure why Adele didn't speak directly to Ana about Alberto after seeing her reaction to the dress. I still feel like Alberto sent Adele there as bait to get Ana to contact or see him. It has got to be the only reason she didn't directly talk about Alberto or deliver a message from him. I'm reserving judgement until the next episode about why Adele doesn't tell Alberto they all think he's dead and what went down during her time at Velvet, including telling Cristina he's alive. Cristina has to shut her up in some way or this will be an even bigger plot hole than Alberto's 5 year absence. I think Cristina's narcisstic traits are still there, they've come out with Raul and Enrique, but she seems to be trying with Ana (though it still comes off as an act to me from an acting perspective). However, all bets are off starting with ep 3. I think she would rather Alberto actually be dead than see him and Ana together. Probably him and any other woman honestly, but it's out of sight, out of mind with the others and she knows Ana is the love of his life. Carlos asking Ana to live with him multiple times.. I'm curious if the red dress will factor into her making a decision about him one way or another. Like in S2 when Alberto bought it for her and she gave it back to him because she said they both needed to move on. Marco seems like he not only wants to get rid of Ana's new line, but Ana herself. I was hoping she would leave at the end of her own choosing and sacrifice for Alberto instead of being forced out. I'm still intrigued by the New York sign in the collection photos. Love Jonas and the tailor s/l. It would be great to see him get a love interest worthy of his awesomeness, I don't think Patricia is. Mateo was gold as usual and I really liked Petra. Pedro still drives me nuts. Omg, Rita deserved better than that buffoon. I know he has a good heart and I don't hate him, but he's just such a dope. [. Buffoon 🙊 Laura I haven't seen or heard that word in years omg 😄You are killing me I am really going to miss you 😘 guys when this show is over 😂 Aww, miss you too😘 If you look up the definition of buffoon, we'd find Pedro's picture. I find Valentin much more enjoyable to watch. Link to part 2. fyeahgranhotelandvelvet.tumblr.com/post/151948107252/velvet-season-4-episodes-master-postI can't find the post anymore, so I'll link directly www.dailymotion.com/video/x4xw3b5#
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