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Post by Mallory on Sept 17, 2016 17:30:06 GMT -5
I have been thinking the same thing about Mateo inside the car. I have seen pictures of A/A kissing inside that car. I don't know where he would go except inside Velvet or maybe would get a taxi. Also, I would love to know what they will say to one another during the reunion and whether they would go somewhere to talk. Will that day be all happy and sweet or will the resentment (especially from Ana) start that early?
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Post by Lara on Sept 17, 2016 17:51:52 GMT -5
Yes, that's true. I thought it was kind of funny in his interview he messed up the quote. He volunteered to take care of Ana and did a bad job protecting her from Cristina. Lol Love Mateo though and looking forward to everything with him, especially his reunion with his true love, Alberto.
Those collection pics were 👎🏼 but they were in the trailer and for some reason I thought that could be a positive. Though, Patricia is wearing black so it's clearly going to come at the end. It is very possible that everyone else will leave Velvet because the set up is there. We know about Ana, Pedro will finally get fed up with his lack of promotion and disrespect from Marco, Rita might be a stay at home wife, maybe work out of her home, Mateo and Clara I still see working with A/A. Emilio retires and/or a new opportunity with Blanca, Raul and Jonas go to Paris. I wonder if Pepita will be back this season. I love that they have kept consistency with the background seamstresses and sales assistants.
Good point about Enrique at the wedding, but it will some time in the future, unless it's the sort hair wedding. She will still play the grieving widow it seems and I also don't see Alberto ever getting along with Enrique, so maybe that's another resson. At least it gives some hope that maybe she doesn't end up with him. Maybe happy separately😎 It's so sad that her character won't get the business or a real love. They never even developed them beyond tawdry sex. Yeah, I don't see that going anywhere either. I'm sure Patricia will have a scene with Alberto to reconcile because she is at the wedding, but even in the backstage pictures, she's mainly with Cristina and Enrique. Same as in previous seasons. In the trailer it seems Ana discusses her Pret-a-Porter idea with him so seems they're all good. I wonder what Raul's relationship with Cristina will be like now. I hope it doesn't every back to type. Yeah, I should have learned my lesson from Lost. Fan theories are 1000x better than what they ended up doing. We do have that picture of Mateo in the bar contemplating what is almost certainly Alberto's note. I don't know if he'll think it's a hoax because he tells Clara he's going there to see if it's who he thinks it is and what happened all these years. It has has to be a major mind you know what to find out your BFF is alive after 5 years. I can see Ana at some point being sabatoged royally by Marco and Enrique, but it might just happen and that'll be that because she's going to NY anyway.
OMG, I was wondering about that too!!! Mateo just disappears. I guess we'll assume he sneaks past and goes inside. Can I also say, I'm shocked he still has the same car. Lol He should have at least taken Alberto's, loved that car. Anyway, I think A/A will be too busy to even notice 😛 They'll probably just show him looking, smiling and running inside. One thing I can't believe is that Ana will still be standing! That sounded lewd lol I mean it's going to be a shock that would make someone pass out. I assume, I think MAS Instagram post confirmed (I think), she's not going to know he's alive until he steps out of the car. I can see them doing this for dramatic purposes, Mateo just telling her to wait outside for something important, but I would think they'll need a defibrillator or at least smelling salts after that kind of shock to the system.
It's sad because we know the reunion will be short lived, I'm guessing Carlos and Cristina will team up at this point. I wonder if Carlos will bring up all the points we have to Ana before it's revealed he took the letters.
*Don't think they were dancing in that picture, think he was wrapping his jacket around her.
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Post by northboundtrain on Sept 17, 2016 18:01:07 GMT -5
I have been thinking the same thing about Mateo inside the car. I have seen pictures of A/A kissing inside that car. I don't know where he would go except inside Velvet or maybe would get a taxi. Also, I would love to know what they will say to one another during the reunion and whether they would go somewhere to talk. Will that day be all happy and sweet or will the resentment (especially from Ana) start that early? Yeah, Mateo being there is just awkward...actually, one of the most stunning moments of the trailer for me was when the camera pulled away to show Ana staring at the car. I didn't expect her to be watching them. I also wonder why she'd even be standing out there in the rain -- I guess maybe she was walking back to Velvet from somewhere else and got caught in the storm without an umbrella? That's a good point about Mateo possibly just getting a taxi. I just hope however he's sent off that it's not too distracting. I'm thinking that the initial reunion will be joyous, but I don't think that will last long -- there will have to be some scenes where they hash out what has happened, and I expect that each will find reasons to be upset with the other until they finally direct their anger toward Carlos.
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Post by Camille on Sept 17, 2016 18:25:49 GMT -5
I don't think Alberto is aware yet that everyone thinks he is dead and therefore Adele would not know this. I think she blurted the truth out to Christina because that is who mentioned Alberto being dead which surprised her. Back in the 50,s when people traveled cross countries, they didn't use the phones often. Look how are it was for Rita to reach Pedro when she was in Paris. You have different countries, different languages which made it hard to connect by phone. Alberto might have found it easier to write to each other as opposed to using phones. Also, we know how stubborn Alberto can be. When he did not receive any response it's possible he stopped trying. My guess is that like some of you said, Carlos somehow intercepted letters from both Ana and Mateo who would have been the only two Alberto would have reached out to. It's also possible that none of them would have known about Silk or if they did they did not know it was being run by Alberto. Unless sonething tragic happened in a country it's not broadcast to another country. Remember the trailer said Ana was a huge success not only in Spain but in Europe too. This means word had not yet traveled to America yet, but a magazine write up would. Ana said she needed Mateos help, since he's running a magazine he most certainly would have wrote about Ana's readywear to give her a boost. Fashion industries do subscribe to all fashion magazines to keep up with fashion styles and what's new, up and coming or soon to be big hits. Mateos picture would have caught Alberto's eye and he would have read the entire magazine. Alberto finds out about Ana's success and sends his right hand person (Adele) to see Ana's line to do business with her. He didn't go himself because he's all in his feelings thinking Ana no longer loves him and it's to painful for him.
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Post by Camille on Sept 17, 2016 19:06:22 GMT -5
I think life changing for Alberto' could be many of the countries he traveled to that caused him to change. Some of the countries he visited could have been devasting to him causing him to be thankful for what he had. Maybe he felt life was too short so he stopped dwelling on the past, looked to the future and pored all of his time and effort to building Silk to take his mind off of all that he lost and he didn't look back.
One of the articles Alfi transcribed said that Ana was tougher, stronger and was not afraid of anyone. I think with her success, this would be the best time for negotiations. She is now in a position to play hardball which is what we see her doing with Enzo. Ana probably made demands for a percentage of the store and threatened to leave if her demands were not met. Which is probably why Enzo asked her what she was saying. My guess is that she has been promoted and is possibly up there with Marco and part owner or was promised part ownership if her idea succeeds. This to me would be the only thing that would make Marco team up with Enrique because he had some respect for Ana. However, we have a new and improved Ana possibly with some authority which he certainly would not embrace because he was very high handed with giving orders. If he can't order Ana and there's a possibility she could own part of the store due to her success he would want to destroy her. Women did not have a lot of respect from men when it came to business. We now have Marco all in his feeling threatened by Ana's authority. He could inow be doing to Ana what Enrique did to Alberto in the beginning while trying to win daddy's respect. Ana trust Mateo which is why she would need his help to protect her interest and have her back. I'm sure with Ana's success the store is successful too and therefor new hires are in need. This would cause both egotistical men Marco/Enrique to team up against Ana to keep readywear from succeeding. I'm sure Alberto is all for putting Ana's line in Silk and it will be more acceptable in the states. Also, I'm pretty sure Ana is working with the store she used to sell clothing to sell readywear, they won't hesitate and they trust Ana's taste in clothing. She helped their sales in the past, Who knows, Patricia might be working with Ana and using Enrique, she knows what a snake he is. Also Enzo is a gambling man, who knows, he could gamble Velvet off to Ana and Marco is making sure she doesn't win. I'm still not sure Enrique is with Patricia, I still think there's a chance she ends up with Jonas. It looks like he's done well working with Raul, they look like partners in the trailer or he's been elevated by Raul.
Maybe Ana wins Velvet from Enzo through a bet, A/A get married and leave Ana's share to Patricia and A/A go run Silk which is a Hugh success that the open additional stores in other countries 6that Velvet is now small patatoes on comparison. Ok, can't a girl dream? I have my happy ending🤗
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Post by Christine on Sept 17, 2016 19:10:35 GMT -5
The picture of Ann waiting in the rain she already knows that it's Alberto that is in the car I am all most sure matao told her before that Alberto is a live there is a picture with Alberto on the phone and matao standing beside him I think he might have been talking to Ann or her uncle some conversations must have taking place before the rain reunion
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Post by Lara on Sept 17, 2016 19:42:19 GMT -5
I'm sure it will be joyous at first. I really feel Ana doesn't have a right to be too angry. I used to think she did, but reevaluating the 3 seasons and frankly being on this board and writing out thoughts and hearing other's, changed my mind. While I've always said Cristina should be madder at Alberto than Ana for marrying her under false pretenses, Ana is the one to blame the mess as a whole with Alberto. She really wrecked his life! He did everything for her and got back nothing but grief. He didn't even owe her a goodbye because she dropped out of his life by her choice. Throughout the show Ana has wanted to have her cake and eat too. She's screwed over Alberto consistently, even by inviting Carlos back in her life for him to steal the letters and thus raise his child. If anyone should be angry it's Alberto, but his love is so deep for her that his anger doesn't last long. I hope they don't ignore this, but I'm getting worried about how things will play out. S3 wasn't as consistent and the first 2 seasons.
Camille- I think it's safe to say he doesn't know they all think he's dead. He might have sent Adele to Velvet to snoop around not telling her his association, but one would think Ana would look into who the owner of Silk was. Alberto also runs the risk of Adele blurting out what she actually is and that's exactly what happens and to the WORST person possible. Alberto is bilingual, so using the phone wouldn't be so hard. If someone is not answering letters, the logical thing to do is call or go there, especially after that much time. Also Mateo doesn't live at Velvet so letters could go straight to his apartment, away from the evil postman.
I think it's wishful thinking they'll offer Ana any ownership of the company. I can't see it happening. I could see maybe Enzo supporting her and Marco being pissed or her doing the ready to wear on the sly. She is going to work out of Dona Aurora's to prepare her Ready to Wear line according to spoilers, so it seems it might be behind the Caiferos back, which could get her fired and them claiming ownership of the collection if she violates her contract. I'm not convinced she's not going to be expendable. Marco is going to be very callous. I'm really not sure why Ana doesn't finally walk away from Velvet and go elsewhere or does her own thing (obviously before Alberto comes back). That's her weakness, she's too tied to Velvet, which is why she pushed Alberto marry Cristina, which started the whole mess.
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Post by Mallory on Sept 17, 2016 19:45:57 GMT -5
I have heard both theories, but I think Ana must know that he is alive at this point just based on her expression. Why else would she be standing outside Velvet in a rainstorm? Maybe Clara tells her that Mateo received a note from an Alberto Marquez and that he went to NY to see for himself. OR maybe for drama effect, Ana does not know anything at all until he gets out of the car. Personally, I think the shock would be too great for anyone. My other question is who will tell Alberto that he has a son. Would Mateo tell him in NY and this is why Alberto returns or would Mateo leave it for Ana to tell him? I am certain that his scenes with his son will be as sweet as the ones with his mother. I cannot wait!
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Post by Lara on Sept 17, 2016 19:53:33 GMT -5
I have heard both theories, but I think Ana must know that he is alive at this point just based on her expression. Why else would she be standing outside Velvet in a rainstorm? Maybe Clara tells her that Mateo received a note from an Alberto Marquez and that he went to NY to see for himself. OR maybe for drama effect, Ana does not know anything at all until he gets out of the car. Personally, I think the shock would be too great for anyone. My other question is who will tell Alberto that he has a son. Would Mateo tell him in NY and this is why Alberto returns or would Mateo leave it for Ana to tell him? I am certain that his scenes with his son will be as sweet as the ones with his mother. I cannot wait! MAS captioned the clip with this "When it has been 5 years without seeing the love of your life and she doesn't know you are alive.." I took that to mean, she might not know at that point. I don't why she would just be standing there though. I would have went up the car. I just think they're going to want drama, but yeah, it seems too much for a person to handle. I have to believe Mateo tells him about his son. Realistically speaking, that's information that shouldn't be held back until he gets back to Madrid.
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Post by northboundtrain on Sept 17, 2016 19:53:42 GMT -5
Those collection pics were 👎🏼 but they were in the trailer and for some reason I thought that could be a positive. Though, Patricia is wearing black so it's clearly going to come at the end. I thought the same (we were probably thinking that for the same reason: most TV show trailers stick to the first few episodes and not the back half) until, like you said, I remembered about Patricia in the black. I mean, I guess it's possible that Valentin is killed off early and that the collection happens early, but I just keep thinking that'll be part of the finale. Yes, now that Jonas/Patricia isn't happening, I want Jonas to go to Paris too. He deserves it. I'm still so stunned and impressed that the writers turned that little subplot where he helped Ana in S2 into a whole storyline in S4. Me too! I know...I'm sorry to seem like such a downer about it...I just really had high hopes, probably higher than I should have, that Patricia/Enrique would eventually be abandoned in favor of a healthier outcome and more good character growth for Patricia. That's what bothers me about it -- Enrique's not a good guy. Unless they totally redeem him in S4, the idea that Patricia's going to be stuck with him, basically as the new Barbara, is just...not appealing. I could see Raul wanting to believe that Cristina has changed. He's got such a good heart and he has such fond memories of their friendship pre-show. But it's also possible that they just won't interact much if at all...he'll be busy with the men's wear, and she'll be hanging out with Carlos and stuff. LOL, I know! Maybe Mateo's just sentimental. Though, yeah, he could have taken Alberto's and that would have been sentimental too. Good guess -- I can see it. Yeah, and in the rain and everything...surely she'd wonder if she's just hallucinating or not seeing clearly. Oh, I didn't mean the picture...there was some filming report about them dancing. But it's possible the report meant PE and MAS were dancing in a joking around sort of way. Back in the 50,s when people traveled cross countries, they didn't use the phones often. Look how are it was for Rita to reach Pedro when she was in Paris. You have different countries, different languages which made it hard to connect by phone. Alberto might have found it easier to write to each other as opposed to using phones. Also, we know how stubborn Alberto can be. When he did not receive any response it's possible he stopped trying. My guess is that like some of you said, Carlos somehow intercepted letters from both Ana and Mateo who would have been the only two Alberto would have reached out to. I can see Alberto giving up on contacting Ana, but I just have a hard time believing that he'd write to Mateo, never hear back, and then not call Mateo. You're right that phone use wasn't as common back then as it is now, but Mateo's his best friend, his brother. In the letter, he says to Mateo that he's so happy he finally got news -- if he's hungered for news for so long, why didn't he ever call? The show needs to come up with a good explanation for that, and if it doesn't, then Mateo needs to give Alberto hell. That's true, and that's undoubtedly how the show will play it. It does help that, according to the synopsis of the new Velvet novel, Silk is apparently very mysterious, so maybe it really is a strict secret among the NYC fashion industry. But I don't really fault the Velvet characters for not knowing about Alberto/Silk. My issue is this: if Alberto is using his own name in the fashion industry in NYC, all it would have taken was one person somewhat familiar with the European fashion industry to meet Alberto in the last five years and say, "Alberto Marquez? Are you related to the head of that Spanish fashion house who died in that plane wreck?" If Alberto were using a fake name, then that plot hole would be totally avoided. I did notice that the trailer said that, so you're probably right that that's how the show is going to explain how/why Alberto hasn't heard the circumstances of Ana's rise at Velvet. All of that is absolutely plausible. Also, I'm pretty sure Ana is working with the store she used to sell clothing to sell readywear, they won't hesitate and they trust Ana's taste in clothing. You're right -- spoilers say that Petra takes over Aurora's store, and that's going to be the outlet Ana needs for her ready-to-wear. Believe me, no one would be happier than I'd be if Patricia ended up with Jonas. I'm just very pessimistic after MG's interview. She said something about Patricia and Enrique being Bonnie and Clyde, so I think her main story is going to be trying to stay out of jail after Valentin's death. I am happy for Jonas that he seems to be finding success with Raul. Wherever Raul goes next, I hope he takes Jonas with him. I'd take that ending. The picture of Ann waiting in the rain she already knows that it's Alberto that is in the car I am all most sure matao told her before that Alberto is a live there is a picture with Alberto on the phone and matao standing beside him I think he might have been talking to Ann or her uncle some conversations must have taking place before the rain reunion I think you're right that Alberto is calling Velvet, but I don't know that he'd be able to get through...for dramatic effect, the show may not want him to make contact with anyone until he actually shows up and they can see him face to face.
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Post by Lara on Sept 17, 2016 20:30:26 GMT -5
Remember though, Patricia is at the collection and the wedding. So unless the wedding is the only time jump event, it can't be in the same ep. I wonder if the finale will solely focus on A/A. I want to see the reception too lol They will still have access to the roof.
Me, too. Maybe he'll meet up with Luisa again😀
That's ok, I'm a complete downer about the kids's relationship and Cristina. I don't hate Enrique like I do Cristina or Carlos, but I don't like him either. The scene I can't get over is when he didn't give a crap when his daughter was born and then Alberto later saw him at the brothel. Sleaze! Some people would argue Patricia isn't a very good person either and I guess with this pairing the show confirms that was their Interpretation. I personally think she deserved better, but they just didn't care about her character. She's also much younger than Enrique and taking on his baggage of a bitchy ex-wife and child. An issue I have with the show is that it didn't evolve, literally, like I had hoped. The basic premise of S1 is still playing out in S4. A/A apart, Cristina still in the middle causing trouble, Carlos a clone of Cristina still causing trouble, Patricia and Enrique still hooking up, Rita always having heartache, Pedro still trying to get ahead, Clara and Mateo fighting/making up. I wish they would have changed direction. Cristina the best example of something that should have ended when it came to its natural conclusion; the s/l is played out already. If they wanted to keep her, then have her fall for Victor last season, which would have been a great storyline because he's the opposite of Alberto and is totally different than who she thought she should be with. It would have been interesting and made her more sympathetic watching her fall for someone so unexpected and see what it's like to be treated like a queen. It would have been so much better than the cartoon character she was all season. Now into S4, she's still the same villain. Ugh
I can see this. After he confronted her in the hospital, her scenes were limited in S3. He wasn't even involved after she pushed and tried to stab Ana.
There has got to be some hyperventilating and major crying before that kiss, lol
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Post by Camille on Sept 17, 2016 20:46:19 GMT -5
I don't think Ana knows Alberto is in the car. Mateo would have told Clars not to mention the letter to Ana until he found out for sure if the letter was indeed from Alberto. I do believe Mateo told Ana he has a surprise for her and she's waiting to see what the surprise is. If she knew Alberto was in the car she would not be standing there unless she is a little perturbed with him. But, then and again she might know it's Alberto because I think she would have fainted like you said upon seeing Alberto for the first time. I hope Mateo left Alberto being told about his son up to Ana, I want to see their reaction. However, if there's no good reason for Alberto's five year hiatus, Mateo would give him hell and tell him about his son. I'm pulling at straws here, Lara all your synopsis sound possible.
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Post by Lara on Sept 17, 2016 21:47:34 GMT -5
I don't think Ana knows Alberto is in the car. Mateo would have told Clars not to mention the letter to Ana until he found out for sure if the letter was indeed from Alberto. I do believe Mateo told Ana he has a surprise for her and she's waiting to see what the surprise is. If she knew Alberto was in the car she would not be standing there unless she is a little perturbed with him. But, then and again she might know it's Alberto because I think she would have fainted like you said upon seeing Alberto for the first time. I hope Mateo left Alberto being told about his son up to Ana, I want to see their reaction. However, if there's no good reason for Alberto's five year hiatus, Mateo would give him hell and tell him about his son. I'm pulling at straws here, Lara all your synopsis sound possible. Yeah, I think she won't know. Mateo won't be able to tell her this over the phone and I don't think she would talk to Alberto over the phone first, would ruin the drama. I think the minute they get back to Madrid, they go see Ana. The son information I really want that to come from Mateo. I mean he has to tell him some major things that happened and what can be bigger? Mateo was always very encouraging of Alberto tolerating Cristina for the child's sake and he had a messed up relationship with his father, so I could see him being like you a$$ you missed 5 years of your son's life and now you're getting on that plane, pronto. I want to see want kind of relationship Alberto Jr. has with Mateo. I thought he would be more of a surrogate dad than Carlos, but I get why they inserted Carlos into the role.
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Post by Canulle on Sept 18, 2016 5:18:33 GMT -5
Yes that all makes perfect sense Lara.
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Post by Christine on Sept 18, 2016 6:51:47 GMT -5
Guys she knows it's Alberto that is in the car what other reason matao could have given her to make her stand in the rain stairing at the car I don't think you can just bring someone back after been dead for five years and not let the person know in advance that would be cruel
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