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Post by northboundtrain on Sept 13, 2016 17:55:32 GMT -5
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Post by Lara on Sept 13, 2016 18:11:33 GMT -5
Thanks VV, seeing the trailer with subtitles is amazing.
I'm confused now. Is Mateo going to work at Velvet again?
Unrelated to the trailer, is Rita pregnant in addition to having cancer or she on,y thinks she is? I saw something on the Antena website and wasn't sure with the translation.
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Post by northboundtrain on Sept 13, 2016 18:35:36 GMT -5
I'm confused now. Is Mateo going to work at Velvet again? It does look that way...it sounds like Ana's the one who says, "I need you, Mateo," and then Clara also seems upset with Ana about Mateo coming back. I guess it has something to do with Ana's fight to bring ready-to-wear to Velvet, though I don't know what power she'd have to hire someone. There must be more to it that will be revealed in the episode. I will laugh SO HARD if Clara has her meltdown with Ana and then, like, the next day shows up all cool and casual for when Mateo walks in the door. More and more, I'm looking forward to that storyline. One of the magazine articles said that Rita has a third child on the way. It could be a bad translation (I did run it through Google, which is not reliable), or the "writer" of the article could have it wrong (like the quoting from the source about respecting the memory of Alberto) for the sake of drama. I was thinking that if she is pregnant then that would add a complication to the cancer treatment, so that could be part of the storyline. But it would also make sense for Rita to think she's pregnant and then have it turn out that it's actually a tumor. On watching the trailer again, I just get sort of pissed at that shot of Adele saying that Alberto's her boss -- not pissed at the characters, but pissed at the writing. I just cannot buy/believe that Alberto has been working in the fashion industry in NYC under his own name for years and no one has ever discovered the truth. I'm just hoping that the writing makes it look more believable than it feels to me right now.
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Post by Christine on Sept 13, 2016 19:02:12 GMT -5
I'm leaning toward saying that she thinks she's pregnant but she is not it's the tumor in her stomach that she is feeling and I am almost sure that they will make it be s benign tumor some women have those in real life I cannot see the writers killing her in the last season
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Post by Christine on Sept 13, 2016 19:18:17 GMT -5
I agree with you northbound I was hoping that the writers wouldn't insults our intelligence but I think they are going to my coworkers and I were having this discussion the other day has to how you can be friends with someone for so long say you love them and dispeared for five years without call or writing them was Carlos taking matao letters too . I cannot wait to hear what the explanation will be 😜How come nobody knows what date it's going to start no leaks😷😷
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Post by Mallory on Sept 13, 2016 20:11:23 GMT -5
Christine: If I am not mistaken Carlos told the postman to send him any letters with the return address "A.M." I assumed this meant that he would intercept any letter written from Alberto to anyone (including Mateo). Yes, I also can't believe that Alberto never thought of making a phone call in 5 years especially considering how badly it went the last time he sent her letters.
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Post by Camille on Sept 13, 2016 20:13:46 GMT -5
This is the trailer I stumbled upon not knowing this was VV's site. I search everything Velvet, see things but can't remember where I saw it. VV you're the best. Thank you!
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Post by Camille on Sept 13, 2016 20:18:37 GMT -5
Christine: If I am not mistaken Carlos told the postman to send him any letters with the return address "A.M." I assumed this meant that he would intercept any letter written from Alberto to anyone (including Mateo). Yes, I also can't believe that Alberto never thought of making a phone call in 5 years especially considering how badly it went the last time he sent her letters. Yes that's right Mallory, I seem to remember Carlos saying that. I agree, why no phone calls? I can see Alberto thinking Ana betrayed their love thinking she married Carlos and having what he thinks is Carlos child but why no calls to Mateo?
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Post by Lara on Sept 13, 2016 21:13:53 GMT -5
I think that's exactly want happens. I guess Ana was being nice to forewarn her. It is strange that he would be back for 2 reasons. 1- isn't he a successful financial person or whatever he is doing and 2- Marco would never allow Ana to hire him and allow him to use the Velvet offices. I also thought Marco and Enrique will align against Ana. Are they hiring his financial services?mI'm so lost as to what they are doing. I a really looking forward to this storyline and M/C.
I'm starting to think it's possible that Alberto and Patricia will get Velvet back, maybe 50/50 chance, but I still don't see A/A staying.
If she is pregnant, I feel they might have her make a decision about termination. It could be what you said though and the translation was confusing. I assumed she would mistake the illness for pregnancy.
I think I've accepted the Alberto resolution will basically be garbage. Adele will come to Velvet to make a deal and Alberto, the owner of Silk, won't know? Then she'll blurt out to Cristina of all people he's her boss and alive? It makes no sense he wouldn't know about things in Madrid and vice versa. What about the finances to open an atelier, couldn't that have been traced back? As I keep saying... has Alberto ever heard of a phone? A detective? A newspaper? I'm resigned to this playing out badly. So far it seems worse than I even thought.
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Post by debmac on Sept 13, 2016 21:41:00 GMT -5
@vv...thank you so much for sharing vid with subtitles...omg, getting so excited for season 4
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Post by Kristin on Sept 16, 2016 11:18:53 GMT -5
I agree with you northbound I was hoping that the writers wouldn't insults our intelligence but I think they are going to my coworkers and I were having this discussion the other day has to how you can be friends with someone for so long say you love them and dispeared for five years without call or writing them was Carlos taking matao letters too . I cannot wait to hear what the explanation will be 😜How come nobody knows what date it's going to start no leaks😷😷 October 11 I read.
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Post by victoriavelvet on Sept 16, 2016 15:08:25 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I'm in Fuertaventura at the moment and the teaser ads are on antena3, no date as yet as far as I can tell. Was hoping for it to be broadcast in the next week so I could watch 🙁 No such luck!
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Post by northboundtrain on Sept 17, 2016 11:31:31 GMT -5
Re: the date, I don't think it's been announced officially yet, though the October 11th date Kristin mentioned above is possible. Hopefully we'll know more soon. I'm leaning toward saying that she thinks she's pregnant but she is not it's the tumor in her stomach that she is feeling and I am almost sure that they will make it be s benign tumor some women have those in real life I cannot see the writers killing her in the last season I don't see them killing Rita either. I agree with you northbound I was hoping that the writers wouldn't insults our intelligence but I think they are going to my coworkers and I were having this discussion the other day has to how you can be friends with someone for so long say you love them and dispeared for five years without call or writing them was Carlos taking matao letters too . I cannot wait to hear what the explanation will be 😜How come nobody knows what date it's going to start no leaks😷😷 Yeah, unless the writers have Carlos stealing Mateo's mail, Alberto's going to have to shoulder some blame for not bothering to write Mateo in five years. That's part of the reason the letter is irritating me -- Alberto's all, "Finally, I have some news about you." NYC is not on another planet. Phones exist. I love Alberto, but I want Mateo to destroy him when they finally meet up again. There's just no excuse for Alberto's BS this time. I think that's exactly want happens. I guess Ana was being nice to forewarn her. It is strange that he would be back for 2 reasons. 1- isn't he a successful financial person or whatever he is doing and 2- Marco would never allow Ana to hire him and allow him to use the Velvet offices. I also thought Marco and Enrique will align against Ana. Are they hiring his financial services? I talked about this a bit in the other thread, but I think Mateo's back purely out of love for/devotion to Ana and the memory of Alberto, and Marco may allow the hire for two reasons: 1. Ana may demand it in negotiations and he may not want to risk losing her, and 2. He might like the idea of rubbing Clara in Mateo's face. The magazine did say that Marco and Enrique are going to team up against Ana. Yeah, if Marco and Enrique are the bad guys going up against Ana, it's harder for me to see them ending up with Velvet. Though I guess since Enrique/Patricia are a sure thing now, Patricia would still be involved in Velvet. Maybe that would be good enough for the writers, that a Marquez, by marrying into the Oteguis, would still be at the store. I think those are likely outcomes. None of it makes any sense. Going back to that Adele/Cristina scene, why does Adele seem surprised when Cristina says Alberto is dead? I thought from the wording of previous spoilers that Adele was going to Velvet to tell Ana that Alberto is alive? If that's the case, then Adele should KNOW that Cristina and everyone else thinks Alberto is dead. And she also shouldn't be blabbing to Cristina about it before she's told Ana. I'm praying it works better in context, but I'm fearing that it won't.
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Post by Lara on Sept 17, 2016 14:11:23 GMT -5
Ana must cast a magic spell on these men for them to give up everything for her. Lol Maybe it's Enzo that hires him and Marco will have no choice. In the trailer there is a scene of Ana trying to sell the idea to Enzo and and we know Mateo is at the party as well. The rubbing Clara in Mateo's face is definitely going to be an added bonus for Marco.
My fingers are crossed that the Marquez's somehow Velvet back and we can wave goodbye to the Orteguis and Caiferos. I'm wondering if Patricia will suffer a miscarriage. We know at the wedding, which has to be in finale, she is still wearing black and doesn't look pregnant. No Enrique in sight either. Of course we don't know how much time has passed so she might have had the baby already, but why still in black? Alberto can't seem to shake these Orteguis off. It will be interesting to see what Patricia's relationships will be with Ana, Alberto Jr. and Alberto this season. Will she allow Enrique to destroy Ana's collection? I am also curious about how long Alberto's stipulations can be enforced. We know Mateo left, Ana is a famous European designer and Patricia is still head of the jewelry. I wonder if they will fire Ana and block her from working elsewhere if she is going behind their backs at Dona Aurora's. I really want her to choose Alberto over her career at this point, so I hope it isn't set up where the decision is already made. I'm also curious about how big Raul will be. I always wondered why there wasn't some jealousy when Caiferos came on board and seemed more interested in pushing Ana's career. He was already established, but she seems to have eclipsed him in S4.
Northbound... It's worse than I expected. I sort of figured that he would be in the dark, but like I said in the other post, they don't seem to even be attempting to make it plausible why that is. The Adele stuff makes it even worse. I can't even come up with any believable way she would not have some prior information about Alberto and the fact that she blurts it out to Cristina...oh boy. Maybe the spoilers were intentionally misleading. They said Mateo would be going to NY to bring Alberto back before something big having to do with Velvet, that's not true either. I think Alberto's life changing event will just be him traveling around, seeing how other cultures live, meeting diverse new people, before creating this cutting edge atelier in NYC. Seems everything is being hyped up more than it's actually going to be.
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Post by northboundtrain on Sept 17, 2016 15:25:38 GMT -5
Ana must cast a magic spell on these men for them to give up everything for her. Lol Hah! I buy it, though, because as much as Mateo and Ana have bonded, I think anything he does for her is more grounded in his devotion to Alberto and his desire to do anything he thinks Alberto would want him to do. It's just going to make it even more devastating when he learns Alberto's been alive and hiding in NYC this whole time. I want to believe that they'll be gone too, but there are those damn collection pictures where they're everywhere and all the other characters we love are nowhere in sight. It did occur to me that we haven't seen Patricia noticeably pregnant, but I chalked it up to either a miscarriage, abortion, or, as you pointed out, the fact that maybe not much time has passed. Sadly, regardless of what happens with the pregnancy, I think she's stuck with Enrique. Everything MG said in that recent interview she gave is pointing toward Patricia/Enrique ending up together...she even said something about those two characters having a nice ending. I think she relishes the whole "axis of evil" thing and Patricia getting into trouble, and Enrique fits that. It sucks, but at least I know what we're getting now and I'm not holding out hope for Patricia/Jonas or a single and happy Patricia. Also, re: Enrique not being photographed with Patricia at the wedding, I think it's because of the circumstances surrounding Valentin's death. Whether it was murder or an accident, according to the magazine the cops are going to be investigating Patricia/Enrique, so it wouldn't do for them to be seen out in public together until the investigation is over. I used to be optimistic about Ana/Patricia's friendship, but I'm not any longer -- everything we've seen has been about Patricia/Enrique...not one word about Patricia in relation to her brother or Ana or her nephew. If I remember correctly, the magazine said that Marco/Enrique team up in a "boycott" of Ana's ready-to-wear line. Not sure if that means they're just stopping her from doing it at Velvet or if they're trying to sabotage her efforts with Emilio, Petra, and Blanca. Raul probably gets that the only reason the Caiferos were even brought on board to help Ana was because of Cristina's sabotage...plus, he feels guilty about the Ana/Cristina situation, too, since he initially sided with Cristina over Ana. Also, as you said, he's already established -- and now, in S4, it appears he's moving onto men's wear, which isn't Ana's area at all. So I think they'll be okay, without any jealousy between them. I think you're right about Alberto's life-changing event being exactly what you described. Ahhh...all that agonizing we all did about what Alberto could have gone through, and it may just be traveling and setting up Silk. I guess what MAS meant was that Alberto proved to himself that he could do something on his own that's not his father's -- but it's still not what I had in mind when I thought about life-changing. However, I think that it's still possible that Mateo is going to get Alberto because of the big event at Velvet. The timeline could go like this: 1. Mateo gets letter. 2. Mateo thinks it's a hoax but can't stop thinking about it. 3. Big event is about to happen, which gets Mateo thinking about the letter. 4. Mateo makes the decision to go to NYC. 5. The scene from the trailer where Mateo tells Clara that he's going to find out if it's the real Alberto. If that's the way it's going to go, the only question is what the big event is. It undoubtedly involves Ana, so is it her wedding to Carlos (aka, the short-hair dress at Toledo)? Or is the event something cooked up by Enrique/Marco that will end up hurting Ana's career in some way unless Alberto and Mateo put a stop to it. And another question I have after watching the trailer -- where does Mateo go while Ana/Alberto are kissing and dancing in the rain? We see Alberto getting out of the car, Mateo in the driver's seat, and Ana watching them in the blue dress she's wearing in all the reunion pictures. Mateo doesn't just drive off because there are pics of his car parked outside and Ana/Alberto even in the car at one point, with no sign of Mateo. Does he run into Velvet so they can have some privacy? Now I'm imagining Alberto getting out of the car, and Ana running to him totally shocked and possibly crying, and then Mateo slinking past them: "Don't mind me! Don't mind me! Pretend I'm not here!" and running into the store while they kiss.
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