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Post by ladyfromcanada on Dec 8, 2016 8:58:36 GMT -5
Alfi, I really don't want to hear one more time, Christina going on and on about what Alberto did to her. I heard it throughout S3, more than once where she tells Alberto "that he ruined her life, that he lied to her, humiliated her and cheated on her with 2 woman". I think we get that's how she feels. Even hearing her tell Ana, "you ruined my life" was hard to hear as it's the same obsessive Christina with a one track mind! To have Ana and Alberto ask forgiveness would be too much. Ana and Alberto did nothing wrong, and if anything they've already paid the price. They haven't been together for almost 5 1/2 years. If all that was needed was an apology for Christina to move on, I think both Ana and Alberto have expressed it repeatedly. Alberto aplogized to Christina at the beginning of S3 in the first episode when she comes to Velvet to try to patch things up, and Ana, aplogized the morning after the "Man of the Year" party in Velvet when she sees Chriatina for the fist time, but Christina interrupted her and wouldn't listen. So both have acknowledged that what happened to her was awful. Even when she confronted him about his marriage being a farce, he told her he didn't mean to hurt her and tried to make it work, everyday! He meant that.
But if you look at it from Ana and Alberto's lens, albeit what happened to Christina was terrible, Alberto was genuinely unhappy in his marriage. He tried to make it work. He tried telling her his many reasons for the unhappiness, when she found out about Sarah, but once again Christina didn't want to listen. She should have directed the blame on Enrique and her father for making Alberto's life so miserable when he was married to her. She also failed to understand what drove Alberto in his work. She demanded more and more of him, even at his work, exhibiting an obessive behavior towards him, that drove him mad. Self centred Christina never explored what made his "sad eyes" or why he never said "I loved you". For Christ sake, every woman wants an "I love you" and this guy never says it and she's not supicious. Christina put up way more roadblocks to the realities facing her and Albertos's marriage, as early as the engagement, as there were many signs there, than what Ana and Alberto did to her, and she is entirely to blame for that.
And sadly that continues now. There is no "ah ha" moment in Christina's periphery whereby she's capable of assessing the breakdown rationally. So we have a deranged Christina left to run loose interferring, manipulating and pulling the strings on Alberto and Ana's relationship. I would be really angry if she doesn't get some balanced perspective on what she done, and what has happened to her. But as you said Alfi so very diplomatically, "Christina is not a nice person". That's an understatement. But to hear her spew about what they did to her, again, without a counter with all that she's done to them? I'll be pissed.
But from what I'm hearing about the next episodes to come, Christina may skate, and that's sad, really effing sad.
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Post by Cathy on Dec 8, 2016 18:33:13 GMT -5
When is 10 coming? 😀
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Post by sandy60 on Dec 8, 2016 18:59:58 GMT -5
The truth got to come out. It just got to about Carlos and Christina. And if it doesn't I'll be disappointed On the show ending
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Post by alfi on Dec 8, 2016 22:24:54 GMT -5
Next week, wednesday Dic-14. Ladyfromcanada, swap Cristina for Ana, and in that situation repeat what you said and you will understand why Alberto was a total asshole with Cristina. Swap the Club, Enrique and Barbara by Velvet dorms, Pedro and Rita. Alberto used Cristina, you can't justify his behaviour because he was unhappy in his marriage. Nope, when she tried to be close to him he pushed her away. For example some of you think that she presenting in Velvet to eat with him was her being obnoxious and possesive, but all spaniards understood that Cristina was super nice and behave like a good loving spouse, but she committed the sin of interrupting him with Ana. But even if this was really some kind of cultural difference, if you kick your wife from your office because she presented herself to have lunch with you, you are, with not doubt, an asshole, he kicked his wife from his office because he was having a good time with other woman! you would rip apart any man who would do something like that , and tell me, what would you do if your just married husband kicks you from his office because you wanted to share a meal with him because he tells you that he is under heavy stress because his work, but in reality he was having a good time with a female colleague. All the bad reactions that Alberto had would not have been tolerated by Ana. Cristina tolerated them and doing so the distance with Alberto got bigger, because she didn't solve their problems. You can argue that she internally knew that Alberto never loved her, and she never was brave enough to confront that truth (something very human btw). Alberto is not a perfect man, and that's ok, in fact it makes his character and the story more interesting. I don't know if this is going to serve some of you but i have to say it because it seems that for whatever the reason some of you can't embrace Cristina as character in this fiction... A/A love story in Velvet (or in any telenovela) is not about them being together, is about them not being able to be together. For those who fear that A/A are not going to end together... Velvet is a fun, family target, feel good show, so they will marry and have a couple of kids more, that's a given. The funny thing is that some of you reject what makes the show so addictive, and Cristina "evilness" plays a fundamental part. And this is the last time i talk about this character*, because every time i tried to explain something about this kind of shows and characters I pissed off someone when i'm just a mere messenger (even if I'm guilty also because i couldn't understand their reactions as well), and that's not funny. Edit. * I meant trying to explain the character and her motivations, stopping talking about her is going to be difficult
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Dec 8, 2016 22:40:53 GMT -5
Maybe Alfie the way I write may have meant I was arguing with you in particular.I wasn't. I agree it's only a show.
We all have different opinions about Alberto, Ana and Christina. And they are all valid. That's what makes the blog worthy is the fact we can vent about our characters that we like and don't like. The writers created Christina. I can't help it if I can't relate to her persona albeit a more developed character than any of the others anymore than when I cheer for Ana and Alberto.
We shouldn't take the blog too personally. That benefits no one. If I came off a little harsh, my sincerest aplogies.
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Post by alfi on Dec 8, 2016 22:57:29 GMT -5
You have not to apologize since there was no offense, sorry if my tone was too solemn.
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Post by sandy60 on Dec 8, 2016 23:02:35 GMT -5
Yap I agree. We just have to wait. But I still think that Ana should find out sabot Carlos. And Christina. Really I do I hope they tie thing up
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Post by hopelessromantic on Dec 8, 2016 23:49:04 GMT -5
Next week, wednesday Dic-14. Ladyfromcanada, swap Cristina for Ana, and in that situation repeat what you said and you will understand why Alberto was a total asshole with Cristina. Swap the Club, Enrique and Barbara by Velvet dorms, Pedro and Rita. Alberto used Cristina, you can't justify his behaviour because he was unhappy in his marriage. Nope, when she tried to be close to him he pushed her away. For example some of you think that she presenting in Velvet to eat with him was her being obnoxious and possesive, but all spaniards understood that Cristina was super nice and behave like a good loving spouse, but she committed the sin of interrupting him with Ana. But even if this was really some kind of cultural difference, if you kick your wife from your office because she presented herself to have lunch with you, you are, with not doubt, an asshole, he kicked his wife from his office because he was having a good time with other woman! you would rip apart any man who would do something like that , and tell me, what would you do if your just married husband kicks you from his office because you wanted to share a meal with him because he tells you that he is under heavy stress because his work, but in reality he was having a good time with a female colleague. All the bad reactions that Alberto had would not have been tolerated by Ana. Cristina tolerated them and doing so the distance with Alberto got bigger, because she didn't solve their problems. You can argue that she internally knew that Alberto never loved her, and she never was brave enough to confront that truth (something very human btw). Alberto is not a perfect man, and that's ok, in fact it makes his character and the story more interesting. I don't know if this is going to serve some of you but i have to say it because it seems that for whatever the reason some of you can't embrace Cristina as character in this fiction... A/A love story in Velvet (or in any telenovela) is not about them being together, is about them not being able to be together. For those who fear that A/A are not going to end together... Velvet is a fun, family target, feel good show, so they will marry and have a couple of kids more, that's a given. The funny thing is that some of you reject what makes the show so addictive, and Cristina "evilness" plays a fundamental part. And this is the last time i talk about this character*, because every time i tried to explain something about this kind of shows and characters I pissed off someone when i'm just a mere messenger (even if I'm guilty also because i couldn't understand their reactions as well), and that's not funny. Edit. * I meant trying to explain the character and her motivations, stopping talking about her is going to be difficult I am sorry to say,but in all fairness and defense of Alberto,Cristina deserves every bullshit she got from Alberto and more.What did you expect? She hunted Alberto relentlessly knowing he didn't love her..I mean the signs were there..Season 1,episode 2 when she came visiting and Alberto waltzed in with shopping bags,for Ana who was still in his house recuperating,and didn't pay attention to cristina. .she stormed off with the crazed look in her eyes annoyed.Alberto is not a trophy,he is a human being with feelings. .she failed woefully in reading these feelings.Businesswise, she wasn't supportive she let her brother and father walk all over him,on one of the episodes Cristina came visiting Alberto at the office, and Enrique walked into the office and made Alberto vacate the seat for him to sit...she did nothing. That's an insult! Alberto grew frustrated with her.In their marriage she made no effort to understand him..like during the wedding when she made Gloria matron of honor,and fought with Alberto over it..to add insult upon injury she picked a fight with Isabel because she was jealous of the attention Alberto was paying the mother...she disrespected her in front of the son,if she were a smart girl,she wouldn't have done that...at the dinner she planned.She claimed that Gloria was a good mom,while Alberto was baffled and angry why she couldn't understand that Gloria made life hellish for him...even her friend warned her against it.Cristina failed miserably as a wife.She lacked empathy,understanding and support. Alberto. ..never loved her he tried to make it work.His lack of attention, late nights,fighting, the lack of sex,She actually begs for it and then he will grant her a miserable 15mins..he didn't want to have children with her and the cheating..all these signs were there,instead of Cristina to walk away. .she turned her blinders on and swept the problems under the rug.She was too obsessed and desperate in keeping him,she didn't care at what cost! Until Alberto couldn't take it anymore and annulled the marriage. Alberto loves Ana and the feelings are mutual. .they both support and love each other. That's the difference. Yes,I understand cristina's evil role on this show..do I think she is a clueless, crazy and murderous witch...YES.I hope she gets what's coming to her seriously. !!.
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Post by primusoars on Dec 8, 2016 23:49:26 GMT -5
Maybe Alfie the way I write may have meant I was arguing with you in particular.I wasn't. I agree it's only a show. We all have different opinions about Alberto, Ana and Christina. And they are all valid. That's what makes the blog worthy is the fact we can vent about our characters that we like and don't like. The writers created Christina. I can't help it if I can't relate to her persona albeit a more developed character than any of the others anymore than when I cheer for Ana and Alberto. We shouldn't take the blog too personally. That benefits no one. If I came off a little harsh, my sincerest aplogies. Lady; someone mentioned in the post about how mean Alberto was to Cristina during the short time they were married, I replied as the following in November I am not making excuses for Alberto just a difference of opinions . He was unkind to Patricia. I think they are siblings there is always friction between them and that frictions is well establish by Rafael and Gloria because they want different things for them. Each time when Alberto was unkind or nasty toward Cristina it was an reaction toward her action. 1. When Cristina insists to call her father to solve some money issues for Alberto even when he was trying to stop her, she insisted as if money can resolve everything and her father has plenty of it not knowing the marriage was already bought by her father. 2. When Cristina ask Gloria to be maid of honor w/o mentioning it to Alberto. Alberto had a very rocky past with Gloria and he was never kind toward Alberto because he is not her son. Cristina never understood it. On top of that she was having this country club pre-wedding celebration " the whole Madrid will be there". Alberto just blow up on her. 3. He came home one day after all the problems at work having a very intimate moment with her on the driveway then to find out Enrique invited The new- old designer to Alberto's house for dinner w/0 even ask Alberto. Cristina never noticed that her brother is against Alberto and eventually he wants to push Alberto out of the business. 4. During dinner Alberto was trying to argue for Raul de la Rivera Cristina was trying to stop Alberto . Alberto felt he was being disrespected by her and her family. Whose in charge of Velvet anyway? It seems that he is loosing control! 5. During dinner with Alberto's real mother, Patricia would not have dinner with them because it makes "her" parents marriage illegal. Patricia knew her father was previously married and she is still alive from the letter Rafael left for Alberto and Patricia burned. When Alberto mentioned that he had numerous dinner with Gloria that he did not want to. Cristina again argued for Gloria and they are such "good parent" to him. She seem not to want to believe Alberto had a bad relationship with Gloria. Gloria is a scheming woman. 6. When Elena is dyeing Alberto was trying to keep thing light for her not to stress her out. Cristina is crying over her relationship with Alberto to Elena . He told her not to do that, she blow up and said I want to save this marriage as if there are nothing in this world except what she Want! 7. At the wake of Elena she invited lots of guests which neither Alberto or Elena know those guest, their are her friends and family. Alberto wants to throw them out but didn't. How sensitive is Cristina ? In conclusion; their marriage is doomed to fail and Alberto was react ed to her actions more than intentionally hurting her. In addition , in any normal couple when the marriage fell both sides are at fault let alone this one when the marriage was based on money. I am not sure Why Gerado was not bear a bigger responsibility to this fail marriage and he skated too. The unfairness of the Cristina character is Alberto made a mistake in marrying her for her fathers money but how much does he and Ana have to suffer before " is enough". How ridiculous the storyline has to go before "is enough". I know that we are not Spaniard so our culture are different but something's are universal you just can't go on and on and on to scheme , to murder, to lie, to cover up, to hurt and getting away with it without any regard. If this show is about a love story then show us the "love" not the "hate". This is a forum for us to discuss and vent about what we like or not like the show. I don't have to agree with everything somebody else says neither should you Lady! I think you are a very polite and understand blogger. I like your opinions very much so don't apologize for it.
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Post by dalovelee on Dec 8, 2016 23:53:06 GMT -5
OMG! Is it true that in 13 days is the FINAL episode!? I feel like I was conned. This means MAS was only going to be in Velvet season 4 for one Episode afterall?! I was sure we were going to get at least two or three episodes with Alberto...We were tricked!!! How in the world? I mean in one hour (which cannot focus solely on Ana and Alberto's reunion. Plus him finding out about Alberto Jr. Then there are the other characters....My head can not wrap itself around the fact we only have one episode left.
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Post by loveloulabel on Dec 9, 2016 0:08:34 GMT -5
Next week, wednesday Dic-14. Ladyfromcanada, swap Cristina for Ana, and in that situation repeat what you said and you will understand why Alberto was a total asshole with Cristina. Swap the Club, Enrique and Barbara by Velvet dorms, Pedro and Rita. Alberto used Cristina, you can't justify his behaviour because he was unhappy in his marriage. Nope, when she tried to be close to him he pushed her away. For example some of you think that she presenting in Velvet to eat with him was her being obnoxious and possesive, but all spaniards understood that Cristina was super nice and behave like a good loving spouse, but she committed the sin of interrupting him with Ana. But even if this was really some kind of cultural difference, if you kick your wife from your office because she presented herself to have lunch with you, you are, with not doubt, an asshole, he kicked his wife from his office because he was having a good time with other woman! you would rip apart any man who would do something like that , and tell me, what would you do if your just married husband kicks you from his office because you wanted to share a meal with him because he tells you that he is under heavy stress because his work, but in reality he was having a good time with a female colleague. All the bad reactions that Alberto had would not have been tolerated by Ana. Cristina tolerated them and doing so the distance with Alberto got bigger, because she didn't solve their problems. You can argue that she internally knew that Alberto never loved her, and she never was brave enough to confront that truth (something very human btw). Alberto is not a perfect man, and that's ok, in fact it makes his character and the story more interesting. I don't know if this is going to serve some of you but i have to say it because it seems that for whatever the reason some of you can't embrace Cristina as character in this fiction... A/A love story in Velvet (or in any telenovela) is not about them being together, is about them not being able to be together. For those who fear that A/A are not going to end together... Velvet is a fun, family target, feel good show, so they will marry and have a couple of kids more, that's a given. The funny thing is that some of you reject what makes the show so addictive, and Cristina "evilness" plays a fundamental part. And this is the last time i talk about this character*, because every time i tried to explain something about this kind of shows and characters I pissed off someone when i'm just a mere messenger (even if I'm guilty also because i couldn't understand their reactions as well), and that's not funny. Edit. * I meant trying to explain the character and her motivations, stopping talking about her is going to be difficult It is very true that in such shows, we always love to hate the one who seems to break the loving favourite couple. Without Christina the fight to survive for A/A is just a simple love story but with no conflict there is little entertainment or ah 'por fin' sigh factor. Even if the entertainment is making us furious. I don't feel the show did the best writing for Christina, but nor did they for many of the characters' storylines this season. It reminds me of Diego in GH. I hated him and yet he was justified in so many ways (and I never advocate violence, ever) because he was driven mental and used. I'm never going to be a C fan because I seek the happy ending since for me this show is escapism. However, without her infuriating presence there was no fight to win the same way for A/A. Here's to winning and a Clara slap for Christina. You mustn't get agitated Alfi, you and everyone is entitled to a fair discussion and we should all respect each other without fearing we have to watch what we say. Feel free. This is a Spanish show geared towards Spanish audiences for sure. I'm just so glad such love stories translate because they make me SO HAPPY 😆😆😆 and you Alfi. You're a gem because I love your enthusiasm for explaining. And all our little community.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Dec 9, 2016 0:09:32 GMT -5
Maybe Alfie the way I write may have meant I was arguing with you in particular.I wasn't. I agree it's only a show. We all have different opinions about Alberto, Ana and Christina. And they are all valid. That's what makes the blog worthy is the fact we can vent about our characters that we like and don't like. The writers created Christina. I can't help it if I can't relate to her persona albeit a more developed character than any of the others anymore than when I cheer for Ana and Alberto. We shouldn't take the blog too personally. That benefits no one. If I came off a little harsh, my sincerest aplogies. Lady; someone mentioned in the post about how mean Alberto was to Cristina during the short time they were married, I replied as the following in November I am not making excuses for Alberto just a difference of opinions . He was unkind to Patricia. I think they are siblings there is always friction between them and that frictions is well establish by Rafael and Gloria because they want different things for them. Each time when Alberto was unkind or nasty toward Cristina it was an reaction toward her action. 1. When Cristina insists to call her father to solve some money issues for Alberto even when he was trying to stop her, she insisted as if money can resolve everything and her father has plenty of it not knowing the marriage was already bought by her father. 2. When Cristina ask Gloria to be maid of honor w/o mentioning it to Alberto. Alberto had a very rocky past with Gloria and he was never kind toward Alberto because he is not her son. Cristina never understood it. On top of that she was having this country club pre-wedding celebration " the whole Madrid will be there". Alberto just blow up on her. 3. He came home one day after all the problems at work having a very intimate moment with her on the driveway then to find out Enrique invited The new- old designer to Alberto's house for dinner w/0 even ask Alberto. Cristina never noticed that her brother is against Alberto and eventually he wants to push Alberto out of the business. 4. During dinner Alberto was trying to argue for Raul de la Rivera Cristina was trying to stop Alberto . Alberto felt he was being disrespected by her and her family. Whose in charge of Velvet anyway? It seems that he is loosing control! 5. During dinner with Alberto's real mother, Patricia would not have dinner with them because it makes "her" parents marriage illegal. Patricia knew her father was previously married and she is still alive from the letter Rafael left for Alberto and Patricia burned. When Alberto mentioned that he had numerous dinner with Gloria that he did not want to. Cristina again argued for Gloria and they are such "good parent" to him. She seem not to want to believe Alberto had a bad relationship with Gloria. Gloria is a scheming woman. 6. When Elena is dyeing Alberto was trying to keep thing light for her not to stress her out. Cristina is crying over her relationship with Alberto to Elena . He told her not to do that, she blow up and said I want to save this marriage as if there are nothing in this world except what she Want! 7. At the wake of Elena she invited lots of guests which neither Alberto or Elena know those guest, their are her friends and family. Alberto wants to throw them out but didn't. How sensitive is Cristina ? In conclusion; their marriage is doomed to fail and Alberto was react ed to her actions more than intentionally hurting her. In addition , in any normal couple when the marriage fell both sides are at fault let alone this one when the marriage was based on money. I am not sure Why Gerado was not bear a bigger responsibility to this fail marriage and he skated too. The unfairness of the Cristina character is Alberto made a mistake in marrying her for her fathers money but how much does he and Ana have to suffer before " is enough". How ridiculous the storyline has to go before "is enough". I know that we are not Spaniard so our culture are different but something's are universal you just can't go on and on and on to scheme , to murder, to lie, to cover up, to hurt and getting away with it without any regard. If this show is about a love story then show us the "love" not the "hate". This is a forum for us to discuss and vent about what we like or not like the show. I don't have to agree with everything somebody else says neither should you Lady! I think you are a very polite and understand blogger. I like your opinions very much so don't apologize for it. The mistake Alberto made was allowing cristina's father to rope him into marriage. .he eventually admitted his mistake to Mateo. I lay that blame on Alberto's feet squarely. .he was desperate and immature..
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Post by alfi on Dec 9, 2016 0:21:16 GMT -5
OMG! Is it true that in 13 days is the FINAL episode!? I feel like I was conned. This means MAS was only going to be in Velvet season 4 for one Episode afterall?! I was sure we were going to get at least two or three episodes with Alberto...We were tricked!!! How in the world? I mean in one hour (which cannot focus solely on Ana and Alberto's reunion. Plus him finding out about Alberto Jr. Then there are the other characters....My head can not wrap itself around the fact we only have one episode left. MAS will be in 2 episodes dalovelee, the reunion will be at the end of the 10th this Wednesday, in the 11th they will close story lines and give us the epilogue (filmed in real time it seems). I thought he was was going to be shown before, to make his presence more felt in the show. That he couldn't film many scenes in just a couple of weeks was already known though and they finally choose to focus his scenes in the last two episodes.
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Post by Lara on Dec 9, 2016 0:21:31 GMT -5
loveloulabel- there are limits. Maybe Spanish shows don't normally run 4 seasons, but the Cristina storyline should have probably been wrapped up in early S3. She served her purpose and it was time for the show to move on. The show could have brought on another antagonist who didn't necessarily cause trouble between Ana and Alberto, but maybe with other characters or the store. There were many ways to take Ana and they picked the tired plot of Cristina. I'm sorry, but it's a travesty we never got to see at least a few episodes of A/A together in an angst free relationship. How is that satisfying? I find it incredibly frustrating.
Hopeless- Ana wasn't blameless either. She pushed him into it. Either way, once in the marriage Cristina was unbearable and wanted to control Alberto's entire life
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Post by alfi on Dec 9, 2016 0:56:26 GMT -5
It is very true that in such shows, we always love to hate the one who seems to break the loving favourite couple. Without Christina the fight to survive for A/A is just a simple love story but with no conflict there is little entertainment or ah 'por fin' sigh factor. Even if the entertainment is making us furious. I don't feel the show did the best writing for Christina, but nor did they for many of the characters' storylines this season. It reminds me of Diego in GH. I hated him and yet he was justified in so many ways (and I never advocate violence, ever) because he was driven mental and used. I'm never going to be a C fan because I seek the happy ending since for me this show is escapism. However, without her infuriating presence there was no fight to win the same way for A/A. Here's to winning and a Clara slap for Christina. You mustn't get agitated Alfi, you and everyone is entitled to a fair discussion and we should all respect each other without fearing we have to watch what we say. Feel free. This is a Spanish show geared towards Spanish audiences for sure. I'm just so glad such love stories translate because they make me SO HAPPY 😆😆😆 and you Alfi. You're a gem because I love your enthusiasm for explaining. And all our little community. Thanks, and you just explained better than me the purpose of evil characters and why these stories are so rewarding, so double thanks . They are made to be hated with passion. My feeling about the fourth season is that it was too short, i wanted more, i like all characters and everything passed too fast. MAS schedule handicapped the 4th season.
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