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Post by ladyfromcanada on Dec 7, 2016 9:02:47 GMT -5
Lara said "Here's where it always gets murky for me. Alberto didn't sign a contract with him, just his word that he would marry Cristina. I thought he could've bailed out and kept the money, but then their big s/l was gone. I also thought after Raul's line started selling, he could have called it off and paid him back. There were a few eps after Ana left him at the altar where he was determined to marry Cristina. By the engagement party ep, he wanted outed, but felt obligated at that point. He seemed relieved he and Ana were about to be outed at the engagement party, so Cristina would call it off."
Lara, 2 things were happening simultaneously which is why Alberto sold his shares to Gerado: Raul's new line of woman's wear was a failure and it wasn't selling right away. In fact I don't think it was ever a success until after the Princess Monaco invite happened which was much later, and even then it was a modest success. At the night of the show he slept with Christina, more because he was mad at Ana for dumping him at the altar and in Albertos' usual way turned to a woman for comfort. But he felt really guilty afterwards being it was Christina's first time with a man. Next day Gerado confronts him with Ana's letter and disavows any further involvement by asking for his money back. Even Alberto at that time knew he had a liquidity problem. As he said to Mateo, he had lost Ana and couldn't hurt Christina. I still think he needed Gerado's money to float Velvet, so it was still a desperate attempt, but here's the caveat, he never banked that Gerado would bring Enrique on. Remember he thought he could handle Gerado, as he told Mateo in Pausa. The shocker was that Enrique ended up being his boss. But I get what you're saying why did Alberto, even after he and Ana made up and they were at the engagement party why was it so important to keep the wedding going even then? I can only think perhaps it was too late at that point to back out. But I think at that point he only owned 20% of the shares of Velvet. At least this way, married to Christina, he would have some control over Velvet, but not married to Christina, he would have been reduced to a just a modest shareholder with some say but not a lot of say. Which it ended up being that way anyway, as Enrique just treated him like an employee. I also think Alberto had made up his mind to marry Christina, end of story. I think regardless of some opinions, he cared for Christina. He didn't love her but he cared for her. Remember, he told Ana, that he could fall in love with Christina, but he chose her, hence the surprise ceremony at the church with Ana.
It would have been an interesting showdown between Alberto and Gerado when he decided to leave Christina, but then again, Gerado never knew. In S3 Christina kept in private from her father and even Enrique although he supected, that Alberto left Christina, that there marrige was on the rocks. When Gerado is in the office, to fire Enrique for the whole mess with Petra, he didn't know then what was happening between Christina and Alberto. Maybe once it was made public after in the newspapers before Ana's show, Gerado could have confronted Alberto, but "time" in Velvet was always rather murky. How long after that did Alberto go public with Christina's paternity of her child? A day, a week? Once that went public, Gerado washed his hands of the whole affair. And how long was it before Alberto left entirely? The question is why didn't Christina tell her father? Seems to me that maybe Christina preferred the revenge angle more than having her father involved. She may have thought being pregnant was enough to hold onto Alberto. Maybe Christina didn't know of her father's involvement? Obviously, what we wanted was for Alberto to clearly state the reaosn he married her was because her father made him. But sadly he didn't.
I think Alberto and Ana were naive about how far Christina would persue her revenge until it was too late. They were living in a bubble. I also think because Christina was preganant there was a kid gloves approach to Christina.
I think Ana is afraid of Christina. Both times at the beginning of S4, when she meets Christina for the first time after 5 years, she backs away. In the stairwell after Carlos leaves in E9, and Christina shows up, Ana backs away then. I think Ana's afraid of Christina. She doesn't trust Christina. She knows Christina can be a physical danger to her. Look how she grabs Ana when Ana tries to pass her? She hasn't forgotten how Christina tried to stab her with a pair of scissors. What else do you do when you're up against a seemingly deranged person capable of physical harm. Ana hasn't forgotten anything.
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Post by alfi on Dec 7, 2016 10:24:51 GMT -5
I also think because Christina was pregnant there was a kid gloves approach to Christina. Indeed, she was expecting "Alberto's child" after all, that was the main reason of Ana rejecting Alberto. I don't think Ana fears Cristina physically speaking, she is not pregnant now, she would manage to kick Cristina ass pretty well. Maybe this is not going to be popular to say, but I think that Ana feels guilty about Cristina's fate, because she was who started everything asking Alberto to marry her. Ana was not and at the same time she was, the reason why Alberto and Cristina marriage ended in failure, i mean, Alberto never stopped loving Ana, a third person is never healthy for any relationship, Cristina and Ana know that. It's about time that Ana starts linking the dots to picture what really happened, now that she knows Alberto is alive may be the trigger. The fact that she suspects that Cristina knew about Alberto and Carlos asked Cristina for help in the wedding stink. It's about time of retribution Just one thing about Spanish society, (though i think it's not really very different in any western country) appearances matter but money matters even more. Patricia was shunned by her friends when they noticed her weakness, the same happened with Cristina, we know that she was shunned by her father, she became "la comidilla" of Madrid, she was in everybody's mouth, and she was very "weak" in order to confront not only her father but society... after 5 years away from everything and having inherited half of his father possessions not only she is filthy rich, she is confident in herself again, she is not weak anymore in that aspect. I already said this, but she really embraced her evilness in the 4th season, she feels rewarded watching Ana emotionally suffering, and she probably wanted and still wants to see Alberto despairs because he never stopped loving Ana.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Dec 7, 2016 11:08:15 GMT -5
Alfi I think you make a great point, Ana feels guilty. She probably does. However, I really belive Ana never meant to hurt Christina. She always talk favorably about Christina in S1. She didn't want to hurt anyone not even Christina. When Christina was crying because Alberto yelled at her for trying to call her father to help with Raul, she felt Christina's pain and encouraged Alberto to make amends. She even said it's not Christina's fault, that she was just trying to help Alberto. I don't think Ana ever thought it would come to fruitation like it did, more so because Alberto convinced her his plan would work. But then it just got out of hand.
But I think she shouln't be the only one harboring guilt. She walked away when Alberto conceded that he was going to marry Christina. It wasn't her fault Alberto remained faithful to their love. She clearly accepted things and moved on with Carlos. Alberto pursued her in S2. Yes it was because of Ana that Alberto left his marriage, but it could easily have been for someone else. What Christina can't stand is that it's Ana, she's jealous of Ana, and Alberto is still even after 5 years still in love with Ana. That's a really strong love to survive all those years apart. That's what's killing Christina. She wants that. She wants that adoration, that committment for herself. She was more upset that none of Alberto's letters mentioned her or were for her, hence why she slapped Carlos, for saying it. When she re-reads the letter Alberto sent Ana in E10 or whatever episode it is now, she is beside herself with hurt that none of it is for her. It only confirms that Ana is Alberto's obsession and not her. Coincidently, her same obsession she has with Ana.
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Post by primusoars on Dec 7, 2016 14:03:02 GMT -5
Does anyone find it so very strange that Christina always seems to know what's going on with Ana, Mateo, etc. It's like she has a mole somewhere. Case in point, from the moment Ana finds out Alberto is alive, to the monent when Carlos arrives at Velvet to confront Ana, which I'm gathering is an hour at most maybe 2 depending how far away the church is maybe even shorter than that, Christina is telling him how Alberto contacted Mateo and how they found out Alberto is alive! Isn't there anything Christna doesn't know? And now she knows when Alberto is arriving. It just astounds me how nothng is secret in Velvet except when it comes to Ana knowing. She's the only one not "plugged in" it seems. I'm gathering she probably heard it explained when they were casually explaining it to Ana, but still for once, I would like it that Christina was in the dark about Ana and her personal life. It's so very lopsided the desimination of information in Velvet. Power is knowing and I just wish she had less of it. I didn't think much of that because she was there when Clara and Rita stopped her from getting into the car. Cristina was always in the know because the writer wants her in that position and create some kind of chaos so it heighten our curiosities. I feel it is overused and makes me want to puke every time when I see her on the screen. After more than 50 episodes seeing her over and over again you wonder "come on! Give me something new", like Barbara said that " if you eat steak every dinner you sometime want greasy Egg omelette every once a while". I guess Cristina is in the central position in the last couple shows no matter we like it or not! What a shame!
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Post by Lara on Dec 7, 2016 14:16:53 GMT -5
I think the Princess Grace thing was soon after Raul's line bombed, but yeah I don't think it was ever a huge success. I 100% believe Alberto married Cristina out of obligation. He slept with her out of hurt and anger towards Ana, even the next morning when turned towards Cristina in bed you can tell her regretted it. Then after the engagement party and seeing him and Ana, she kept asking him to promise he went never leave her. He looked like a deer in headlights. He didn't promise, only said they are getting married, what more does she need. He definitely wanted out after he and Ana were caught, he was already sensing problems with Cristina like her control issues with having Gloria stand up with Alberto, plus his anger towards Ana started to melt away. Cristina wasn't even sure he would show up to the engagement party. Then he spent time with Ana and realized how easily they can talk to each other and I think he realized how much he still loved her. He was too much of a coward to back out at that point, so he was hoping Cristina would do it. We know she would justify it away even if she had seen A/A having sex, so no way was she backing out. That ep was the most honest ep that season, then they sort of just dropped a lot of stuff that came from it. As far as the money, I think they implied he would be able to pay Gerardo back at least some of it. I agree, he never thought Enrique would show up and that made it even worse for him. When you think about it, Alberto was really dumb about the whole thing. He could have just sold part of the store at the beginning to someone else, a silent investor and not had to marry Cristina in the process. He only tried one bank, I'm sure he could have found someone even though the business was failing at the time. I know he thought Gerardo was a family friend, but once he put that deal on the table about Cristina, his true colors came out. I think Alberto cared for Cristina at that point, but I always maintain, even with no Ana, he would never fall in love with her. He was just never into her and when she got her chance, nothing changed. Of Cristina wasn't so obsessed with her fairytale, she would see they were incompatible. Would she want to remarry him and have a marriage that she had before? That's what's so unbelievable about the entire thing. I always felt besides Ana, he had chemistry with Sara. Cristina, nope, nothing. They did a good job because it played as it was supposed to o screen, he had zero interest and she was a desperate love sick puppy.
That was one of the weak reveals I always refer to. How could that not have happened? Gerardo was the catalyst for the deal, surely he expected more bang for his buck than a 2 month marriage. Also Alberto telling him straight out that he sold his daughter into a loveless marriage. I don't understand why Cristina wouldn't confront him. I think we are to believe she didn't tell him because she was hoping to reconcile with Alberto and saw this as a temporary set back. That's why I think her revealing she was in on the deal made the most sense. Why else wouldn't she confront her father or want to desperately (that's an understatement) stay with a man who married her for money and admitted her had no love for her? It totally fits with her character too, she doesn't care how something comes to her, as long as it does. There was ample opportunities with Gerardo too because he was in the first couple of eps of season 3. They stated she was staying with a cousin for weeks, surely Gerardo who was always involved in S1, would have known that. People talk, hard to believe there were no whispers in their social circles that A/C separated and he was seen with Ana a lot at public functions. You can only say she's a work colleague so much before people start to wonder. It's like they didn't want to bother with it anymore, this was when the writing started to get sloppy. The fact that Cristina was disowned and then showed up to continue to represent her father's shares never made sense to me. He told her from the start don't make trouble, she made more than trouble than he could have imagined and she continued represent him at Velvet? Very illogical. I think she knew her father's involvement after the fact for sure, maybe not how it all took shape, because he apologized in the letter at the reading of his will.
Not only that, they were naive about how obsessed Cristina was with Alberto. The pregnancy had a lot to do with the easy treatment, but wow did she and Barbara make Ana put up with a lot while she was pregnant. My favorite line from Alberto was when Cristina faked the morning sickness with Raul and Alberto went out to speak to her and she said with her fakeness thank you for the concern and he's like I'm not concerned lol They needed more of those digs at least.
I think Ana is most definitely afraid of Cristina. When she sneaks up behind her, Ana always backs away. I can't blame her, if a woman that pushed me down the stairs and then come at me with scissors was in my personal space on a daily basis, I'd feel like that too. Ana needs a physical confrontation with her to take back her sense of safety. You saw how Christina grabbed her arms after Carlos left? Their dynamic has not changed. When Ana did finally stand up for herself a little more in ep 9, she backed down again with Cristina. She should have said in no uncertain terms, I don't want you having any association with me at all. Instead, she says do what you want. I won't even get started on the Carlos angle. Ana has zero guilt, nor should she. Cristina made her bed. Ana has more than paid for Cristina's two month failed marriage. Ana saw her true colors (that's the thing with all the Oteguis, they are all phony) at her wedding. She thought Cristina was a nice chica before that, but then saw her real character. I think Ana was also used to Cristina being in a position of power over her, so this season would have been nice to see that transform a little. Of course it was still that way when Cristina took over Ana's collection for the show. No matter what Ana does, there is Cristina in her business. Kicking her out of the wedding planning would have gone a long way. I still can't get over how downright bizarre that all was. Cristina is jealous of Ana and I do believe she would do anything to get Alberto back. If she can't do the latter, she sure as hell wants to make sure Ana doesn't get the life she feels was hers. Cristina still feels entitled to the role of wife of Alberto and mother to his children. She is still living in fantasy and the past, she just can't get over it. She is still talking about being abandoned and Ana ruining her life like it was yesterday. I guess that is another drawback of a substantial jump. You really can't pick up where you left off. Since they did, Cristina looks more twisted than once thought. That's why her magically letting A/A go on their merry way, won't be realistic. She cannot be redeemed.
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Post by alfi on Dec 7, 2016 15:33:15 GMT -5
What Christina can't stand is that it's Ana, she's jealous of Ana, and Alberto is still even after 5 years still in love with Ana. That's a really strong love to survive all those years apart. That's what's killing Christina. She wants that. She wants that adoration, that committment for herself. She was more upset that none of Alberto's letters mentioned her or were for her, hence why she slapped Carlos, for saying it. When she re-reads the letter Alberto sent Ana in E10 or whatever episode it is now, she is beside herself with hurt that none of it is for her. It only confirms that Ana is Alberto's obsession and not her. Coincidently, her same obsession she has with Ana. She wanted that, that's the past. Since she is not going to have that she is going to try to destroy Ana and Alberto happiness. Why would you think if the person you loved once, the person you wanted to form a family with, would have completely forgotten about you? what if you meant for him nothing after using you for a personal gain, what if he not even felt any remorse... Cristina is not a nice person, but she was awfully treated by Alberto, and he didn't acknowledge the damage he had done to her. Now she seems to be past the point of no return, but i think they are going to address that somehow, since MV spoke about how Alberto mistreated Cristina before the 4th season start. I bet Cristina would have a scene where she spills all that bad blood caused by Alberto and Ana, and our main couple are going to have to endure all of that, because Cristina won't be lying. I wonder if they will ask her forgiveness, they already paid a lot for their actions, but Cristina probably won't accept. And the heroines don't fear anyone, nor hold grudges forever Ana is cautious and a really good person, so good someone could think she is a bit dumb, which she is of course not.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 7, 2016 16:13:50 GMT -5
Is there a thread for today's special episode?
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Post by northboundtrain on Dec 7, 2016 17:35:31 GMT -5
I didn't start a thread because I wasn't sure there'd be much to discuss...I just got home from work and I've got it on now, and it just appears to be a total clip show with some voiceovers from PE (Ana) every now and then telling the story of their relationship.
Right now she's telling the story about Alberto reuniting with Isabel (like, one of my least favorite stories on this show, so it just figures this is when I turn in, LOL).
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Post by sandy60 on Dec 7, 2016 17:55:18 GMT -5
OK that sounds kind of interesting but I really want to know if he's there going to see each other tonight I hope so I'm gonna get one episode left
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Post by northboundtrain on Dec 7, 2016 18:10:34 GMT -5
OK that sounds kind of interesting but I really want to know if he's there going to see each other tonight I hope so I'm gonna get one episode left I think today is just old clips and not anything new. I'm still watching and it's still just a recap...right now they're on the scene where Ana is too late to catch Alberto at the airport in S3. Next week, Ana/Alberto should see each other for the first time, and then the week after that will be the finale. So there are still two episodes to go.
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Post by Alessandra on Dec 7, 2016 18:35:48 GMT -5
In which episode does Ana find out that Christina's child isn't Alberto's? I can't remember 😫 I mean... Who told her?
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Post by Lara on Dec 7, 2016 18:45:01 GMT -5
In which episode does Ana find out that Christina's child isn't Alberto's? I can't remember 😫 I mean... Who told her? I want to say ep 9 or 10 of S3. She finds out when Rita shows her the newspaper article where Alberto outs it. She saw Alberto on the roof the previous night, but he chose not to tell her.
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Post by sandy60 on Dec 7, 2016 18:48:31 GMT -5
I thought when she pushed her down the stairs. To
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 7, 2016 18:55:33 GMT -5
I didn't start a thread because I wasn't sure there'd be much to discuss...I just got home from work and I've got it on now, and it just appears to be a total clip show with some voiceovers from PE (Ana) every now and then telling the story of their relationship. Right now she's telling the story about Alberto reuniting with Isabel (like, one of my least favorite stories on this show, so it just figures this is when I turn in, LOL). I watched it, it was fun. I really did think it focused more on Alberto. With the exception of the portion that covered the last season after he was gone. Good at helping us remember everything about him. I didn't realize how much younger they all look in season 1! The acting was very lively too!
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Post by velvet 4 love/hate on Dec 7, 2016 21:48:46 GMT -5
Christina was brought up to think she could get whatever she wanted. She did not care about anything else but what she wanted. Based on Alberto's letters, she visited Alberto when he was in London. She also knew the reason he was sent away to school as she spoke about it in season 2 when Alberto admitted that he loved Ana. Her cousin told her in season 1 about the rumors that Alberto had another love when the were in Velvet talking about her wedding dress, but again she would not be listen. On the Paris trip she also knew that Alberto had taken another woman to the restuarant the night before. Even before marrying Christina, Alberto seemed somewhat distracted if you look at many clips and he always had excuses when this happened. Again the signs were there but Christina ignored them because she wanted Alberto. When they were married she tried to win him by always doing things to make him love her. Thus the comment she made "Why dont you love me after all I have done for you" when Alberto told her that the marriage was not working. After they broke up she tries everything to get him back. It is not only about he and Ana, it is about Christina wanting what she cannot have and ignoring what Alberto wants. It is amazingly she still wants him to come back to her. She felt she could get him back that is why she hid their break-up from her brother or her father. When she finds out that he is alive, she plots to try to get him back,even knowing the deep love between Ana and Alberto. She seemed to accept things until she read the letter from Alberto to Ana. Now she wants to win him back by getting Ana out of the way. She schemes with Carlos to get Ana married. She calls Alberto at Silk but is afraid to talk to him as he would ask about Ana, so she hangs up. She needs Ana married before she calls Alberto so she can tell him, to have him give up on Ana.
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