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Post by Adrienne on Nov 23, 2016 20:57:28 GMT -5
This episode felt like a turning of the tide to me. All of Ana's friends and Emilio are coming together to get in the way of Marco's plans to bring her down. I loved that aspect. Was it last episode that Mateo said something about too bad Marco doesn't have any friends at Velvet? I feel like that is a theme they are going with right now. The only people Marco has are Enrique and Christina and he can't really trust either of them.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 23, 2016 21:44:13 GMT -5
Seems like a lot of us watched live for the first time!  I was excited to finally see some fashion like others mentioned. Was hoping Mateo would already be in NYC. Funny how some episodes represent a couple of days and others span months. We already knew from last episode(s) that Mateo would look for Alberto, Petra was leaving, Patricia and Enrique would get caught and that Humberto realized he was into men, so I was hoping for more things which I hadn't foreseen to happen caus the anticipation is really killing me at this point!
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Post by Lara on Nov 23, 2016 22:29:05 GMT -5
Thanks northbound and BK thank you so much for the translations! So the seed has been planted for Marco to get rid of Velvet! Good news because it means the wheels are in motion to get him out of Velvet, but does he have the authority to sell is the question? I don't know how Emilio and some of the others are still hanging on to their jobs after all this.
This episode belonged to Mateo! Damn I love him as much as Alberto now. I am getting sucked in to him and Clara, who I seem to have a love/hate relationship with lol I like them together when Clara is mature. They were great tonight!
The Carlos scene caught my attention!!! He did not seem interested at all. I was wondering if maybe he would stand up Ana. I always thought it was equally insane that he would want to attach himself to a woman who doesn't love him and who he seemingly doesn't love either. I just don't know if they would stop it this way after coming this far with it. the actress who plays Cristina did say in an interview that Carlos is a victim of Cristina, pushing him into this is the only way I can see him being a victim. I didn't see this third wedding coming but Ana is not wearing the short haired wedding dress but rather the one she is tried on in the trailer. I was hoping Ana would stop the wedding but it seems like Rita or Clara will, unless Carlos just doesn't turn up. It also now seems like Ana will know Alberto is coming back. I thought she would probably not know so it would be more suspenseful. I sort of do have a problem that she was actually going to go through with the Carlos wedding to be honest.
It really did feel somewhat like the old Velvet this ep. I am concerned that we will barely see Alberto next ep, if at all. It's not what I expected to be honest.
Oh yeah, I am so happy for Raul. Humberto's looks are growing on me too. They make a lovely couple and I hope Humberto doesn't break Raul's heart.
I've never found the actress physically appealing. I think the teeth, eyes and overall facial expressions makes her character even worse. She looks like a troll doll to me. Marco and Cristina wouldn't surprise me, they deserve each other and if it gets her sent off to Italy and out of Velvet, I'm all for it. I'm at the point where I don't even care if she's punished, well I do, but more importantly I just want her gone. Oh, I just remembered Marco has that fiancée waiting for him, who hasn't been mentioned since the first or second ep. Which brings up another point, Cristina should be persona non grata due to her history. Marco seems the type to have an advantageous marriage, so one wouldn't think she'd have a prayer. Yet, they seem to be overlooking Cristina's past entirely, she still has good connections according to the last ep and was able to organize the show because of them. That really bothers me because the show put such an importance on social status and then seemed to forget all about it.
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Post by Krys on Nov 24, 2016 0:58:28 GMT -5
Wow, thanks so much for the plot points northbound and BK!!! It's very much appreciated. At this point in time, I'm not only mad that Marco turned out to be a grade A douche, but the fact that his character no longer makes any sense to me. Or maybe I'm just disappointed he turned out to be so petty? Lame. He's not even a compelling villain - he just seems simple-minded. Marco said that he had won the biggest prize in fashion in ItalyLol, WHAT? Does he think that people won't confirm this story? And him taking all the credit for everything - his father knows the truth though? Does he just not care what his father thinks when word gets back to him? The most delightful tidbit was the one at the end about Marco wanting to sell Velvet. First off - WHY? Second - I find it doubtful that he's getting his father's approval for any of this. But this is most definitely going to come into play later when Alberto returns. Patricia and Enrique are idiots. Their plan would've worked if they weren't so damn cocky, so I can only laugh at them. Cristina was so smug this entire episode, it was infuriating. Like everyone else, I also noticed Carlos seeming less than enthusiastic. Maybe he does have a conscience in there somewhere? And I think this says a lot about Cristina, who is just so carefree about everything.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 24, 2016 1:50:27 GMT -5
At the beginning of the season, Marco was supposed to return to Italy, but then his father Enzo asked him to stay longer for the pret-a-porter line. Maybe with its release they are just moving forward again with his move and now we know of some next steps. There is a theory in the spoilers thread which I won't mention here that is likely related to all this.
On the Marco front, never did understand some elements of his character this season. He had a fiancé back home and Clara, and I suppose him too, kept their relationship on the down low, so it couldn't have been serious. So then why did he say in front of Mateo 'so you told him about us' or say to her in the last episode that they are merely boss and employee because she chose for it to be that way. That makes it seem as though it was serious even though it never could have been. I just never understood why she was with him at all because it also reflected very negatively on her character in the first place.
Marco also never seems to bring his experience from the fashion industry nor ideas from fashion-forward Italy to Velvet. He also doesn't seem to have great business skills in that he doesn't create allies except a few which he can't really trust completely.
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Post by victoriavelvet on Nov 24, 2016 2:06:37 GMT -5
Hello everyone, I watched the first half an hour but I too nodded off. Was hoping to check here and find there had been progress on the Alberto front but nothing, they are really dragging this out! 😠 hopefully next week! So many holes this season, why would Ana be in Italy when it's the launch of the line she has been fighting so hard for?? My understanding was that they weren't planning on launching the line then. Marco planned that last minute so that he could try and steal the credit for Ana's project. Ahh that makes sense now thanks!
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 24, 2016 9:03:28 GMT -5
I finally got to watch the part of Christina and Carlos together in Pausa and I'm wondering if Carlos feels guilty. Christina is so enthusiastic about the whole wedding. Maybe Carlos realizes that he's way in over his head and if Ana ever found out, she's never going to forgive him, especially because he was in cohoots with Christina. It must strike him odd how involved Christina is in the wedding. He may feel since no one can trust Christina, that in the end Ana is going to be really hurt if she ever finds out or hurt some how by Christina. He really can't be that stupid that this isn't going to come back on him in some way. Let's face it, Alberto is alive whether he likes it or not. It could also be that the wedding isn't his main concern and like all men just isn't into it.
I can't get Christina's enthusiasm. Wow, how deplorable eh? Although I watched it in spanish and won't get the context until it comes out in subtitles, but just watching her face, she's just beyond belief! Those eyes of hers. Just madness beneath them. Absolutely no moral compass at all. She just seems so pathetic in her lust for control.
I find it odd that while Ana is in Italy she wouldn't have a meeting with Enzo Caffiero? No mention so far of that?
Just remember she's not at the collection of her Pret-a Porter line because she doesn't know that it's happening! Marco took advantage of her absence by springing the show so he could take credit.
In the next episode E9, It just says she resigns from Velvet which then brings me to this if she resigns, does her store remain with her? Isn't that part of Velvet?
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 24, 2016 10:31:22 GMT -5
I am yet to see chapter 8,please can someone share a link with English sub..will be appreciated.💕
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 24, 2016 10:41:16 GMT -5
Usually we don't get to see the version with english subtitles until possibly next Monday or Tuesday of the following week. The wonderful person who does this for us also has a website called Gran Hotel and Velvet. You can find the link for the subtitles here or on that website. It comes in Part 1 than Part 2. I watch it in spanish to get the jist of it, only because I can't wait that long and then patiently wait for the version with subtitles.
Hope this helps.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 24, 2016 10:54:16 GMT -5
I finally got to watch the part of Christina and Carlos together in Pausa and I'm wondering if Carlos feels guilty. Christina is so enthusiastic about the whole wedding. Maybe Carlos realizes that he's way in over his head and if Ana ever found out, she's never going to forgive him, especially because he was in cohoots with Christina. It must strike him odd how involved Christina is in the wedding. He may feel since no one can trust Christina, that in the end Ana is going to be really hurt if she ever finds out or hurt some how by Christina. He really can't be that stupid that this isn't going to come back on him in some way. Let's face it, Alberto is alive whether he likes it or not. It could also be that the wedding isn't his main concern and like all men just isn't into it. I can't get Christina's enthusiasm. Wow, how deplorable eh? Although I watched it in spanish and won't get the context until it comes out in subtitles, but just watching her face, she's just beyond belief! Those eyes of hers. Just madness beneath them. Absolutely no moral compass at all. She just seems so pathetic in her lust for control. I find it odd that while Ana is in Italy she wouldn't have a meeting with Enzo Caffiero? No mention so far of that? Just remember she's not at the collection of her Pret-a Porter line because she doesn't know that it's happening! Marco took advantage of her absence by springing the show so he could take credit. In the next episode E9, It just says she resigns from Velvet which then brings me to this if she resigns, does her store remain with her? Isn't that part of Velvet? Carlos feels guilty...but most of all,I think he is AFRAID!!Just like you pointed out,the fact is Alberto is alive,he can steal and hide his letters from Ana but he can't control the sudden appearance of Alberto,just like he couldn't control the twist of Alberto suddenly reaching out to Mateo.Carlos fear plays into his lack of enthusiasm for the wedding.He can live with the idea of Ana doesn't love him but his obsession for her cancels that,he doesn't care about that.Carlos greatest fear is Alberto suddenly back in their lives..knowing that Ana is still very much in love with him,and they have a child together...the thought of loosing Ana to Alberto and the truth unraveling is his greatest FEAR. As for Cristina she is giddy with excitement to marry off Ana not because she gives a damn,but to keep Alberto to herself.But just like Carlos she is going to get an interesting shock,when she wakes up one morning to hear that Alberto is in town and has reunited with Ana and his son.I can't wait to see her meltdown. As for Ana resignation,i am not surprised.There is so much one can take..and Cristina did make it her mission to get rid of her..I believe Alberto's sudden appearance will change all that.
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Post by Lara on Nov 24, 2016 11:29:54 GMT -5
The more I think about Marco, the less I understand his motivations. First of all, another plothole. At the beginning of the ep the girl came into the store holding the magazine asking about Ana's collection. Ana and her collection were featured in a major magazine, everyone knows she created the designs. She is the designer on record for Velvet and one would think her name is a huge selling point. So what the hell us Marco thinking with this power play? Once again, it goes against his own financial interests. Ana even got them (foolishly) a second store at a bargain rate and he's still trying to destroy her. It makes zero sense!
Cristina's thinking that she is the most beautiful, smartest, perfect person continues. I remember they kept saying in season 1 that she was the perfect woman and that's what she grew up believing of herself. Sadly, she still doesn't realize by now she was sold a pack of lies all her life. She was strutting around like a peacock at the shown as if she created the collection herself. She has always been the biggest narcissist, this season is more in line with season 1 and 2 personality, but it just proves this was always who she really was, a controlling, pushy, delusional, spoiled, evil witch. She definitely believes that once Ana's out of the way she will have no problem winning back Alberto. Like there's not 1000 better looking, smarter, non insane women out there. I can't stand her! I bet we will confirm what her full intention was with her scheme with Carlos.
I'm glad they mentioned Manolito!
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 24, 2016 13:03:22 GMT -5
Lara you are completely right about Christina. I was sick watching her strut around. She thinks she's at the top of her game. I think to add to what you say, she knows Alberto is alive, I think this is the moment she wants to prove to Alberto what a successful business woman she is, taking control of the reins of Velvet. We all know Alberto couldn't give a hoot about Christina, but in her twisted mind, how could Alberto not want her after Ana's married and he sees how successful she is. How changed she is!! I am so resentful of Christina. They better not gloss over any kind of retribution.
I love the idea that Ana upon leaving Velvet suspects something and somehow suppects Christina's involvement and goes snooping in her office and finds the letter. That's one way of tying the 2 together. And then she searches much like Christina did for the missing letters. There has to be a connection between the letters and Christina to make this work. Carlos may be too afraid to involve Christina when Alberto returns and the shit hits the fans. Plus it's a she said/he said scenario. Ana needs proof. Alberto needs proof of the conspiracy.How that all comes out....ooooh I cannot wait!! I'm excited for the next episode.
Doesn't anyone think it strange that Patricia is drinking while pregnant. They made such a big deal out of it whith Christina. We knew when she was drinking she wasn't pregnant but Patricia doesn't seem to care about the baby at all. Except for the inheritance.
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Post by Lara on Nov 24, 2016 17:20:29 GMT -5
ladyfromcanada, you're absolutely right. Cristina never really cared about Velvet, she only went there to be close to Alberto and because she was jealous of Ana. Remember when she told Barbara that they have to prove that they are more valuable to Velvet than Ana? As if they could ever be! She's totally delusional. I really hope we see Cristina go into total meltdown mode when she sees Alberto with Ana and their kid. Ana getting everything Cristina always wanted. I am afraid it will be glossed over though and she will quickly will be at peace with it 🙄
It's definitely odd seeing Patricia drink and smoke while pregnant, but I think they did that in the 1960s. If not drinking, smoking for sure. Patricia doesn't seem to have maternal bone in her body.
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Post by justin on Nov 24, 2016 20:05:52 GMT -5
why is christen planning Ana wedding tooo weird
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Post by BK on Nov 25, 2016 11:49:15 GMT -5
* We see Ecos de la Sociedad with Ana on the cover (and hear that Velvet Collections has been open a week and dresses are selling like hotcakes), but I wasn't totally clear on this: I though we hear Mateo joking a couple of times about being fired, but that there isn't any actual news? ... * I wasn't totally sure how we were supposed to read this, but Pedro seemed to spend a lot of time gawking at attractive women. He said he was so surprised by how short their skirts were. Also, there was a stream of young women coming in looking for Ana's pret-a-porter line (only to be sent off to Dona Aurorita's), and they definitely weren't the average Velvet customer. I wasn't able to understand if anything that he or Jonas said clarified whether this was about the youth/new fashions or some marriage/sex thing with Pedro.(?) Either way, kind of tedious. * Pedro insists that Jonas come over for a boy's night, leaving the last of his work undone, and they drink too much aguardiente. (Also tedious.) They are late and hungover the next morning, and Cristina yells at them and says next time they'd be fired. (Bonus: Pedro mentioned Manolito! And (I think) that he is in Germany.) Later she yells at them some more. (She also yells at Clara. A lot of yelling.) ... * At the beginning of the pret-a-porter show, Marco said that he had won the biggest prize in fashion in Italy, but that it was more important for him to be at Velvet "putting the customers first" by showing Spain's first ready-to-wear line, which he created, so he sent Ana in his place. He then thanked Cristina for her excellent job selecting that night's fashion. * After the show, Cristina and Marco take bows to applause, then Don Emilio changes the slide so Ana's face is projected behind Marco and the crowd goes wild. He's pissed, but he twists it back around: acknowledging Ana for her great role "on the team," thanking all of the employees of Velvet, recognizing his father's work, and then thanking him (Enzo) for putting him (Marco) in charge of this successful business that he (Marco) has brought to greatness. (The employees do not clap for this last one.) * Right before the police come, Cristina introduces Marco to an important man (I didn't catch name/who he was exactly) and his wife, who it becomes clear Marco plans to sell Velvet to. They leave, but the man promises to set up a meeting. So I watched the episode again, and I wanted to fix a few of my translations. First, Mateo has definitely been fired, even though the edition of the magazine with Ana on the cover sold twice the normal amount. Second, Pedro's gawking definitely is combined with a lot of commentary between him and Jonas about the new line being so different fashion-wise (and they continue to discuss this later, with just the dresses present, not the women in them), that I'm pretty sure we're supposed to take this as being about a revolution in the type of Velvet customer and type of design Ana is doing, not anything sexual on Pedro's part. (Phew! That's a storyline I don't really want to see explored, personally.) Third, when I listen to Marco's speech again, I noticed that he said he chose not to go to Italy to collect an award that THEY (he said we, of course) had received at Velvet. So it wasn't quite as blatant a lie, but he definitely insinuated that he had earned it. (I also gathered from a phone conversation in Italian at the beginning of the episode that he wasn't even invited to Ana's awards ceremony--an extra insult. I don't speak Italian, but I'm pretty sure that's what he said--it was pretty similar to Spanish and relatively simple sentences.) Also, his speech at the end, after Ana's picture was shown, was even more genius than I remembered, so once the subtitles come you're in for a treat! Fourth, the couple that Marco and Cristina want to sell Velvet to (because they are definitely co-conspirators in this, on second viewing) are no necessarily friends of Cristina; in fact, I think Marco calls them earlier in the episode (we see the end of a phone call where he confirms that someone is coming to the show). But it doesn't matter too much--all we really learn about them is their name (which I didn't catch), that they loved the show, that they think the pret-a-porter line was a great business risk that is really going to pay off (and maybe that they think, due to Marco's speech, that it was his business acumen that led to this, although he also says something about Velvet continuing to be great, so maybe the writers have left the door open a crack to some ambiguity?), and that he'll have his secretary call to set up a meeting.
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