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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 21:54:19 GMT -5
I feel like it was out of character for Emilio and Rita to encourage it. It is one thing to be cordial at work, but given Cristina's history of trying to kill her and obsession with the child's father, no way I would I allow my son anywhere near her or her daughter nor would I trust my child going over to her home. I think it was realistic for Ana to have the reaction she did to the idea of Alberto Jr./Cristina hanging out, but, again, from Emilio and Rita's perspective, it's been five years and Cristina appears, to them, to be healthy and trying to turn her life around. Plus, it's not like Alberto Jr. was going to the Otegui house alone...Emilio went with him. But Cristina told Ana in 4x1 that she's here to make amends, and then in the earlier episodes this season she actually appeared to be making steps in that direction, first by getting Blanca to get Ana for the meeting with Adele, and then when she brought Ana the red dress. Cristina did that not because she had to (no one knew she had the dress there) but because she, at that point, wanted to show Ana she changed. So, from Ana's perspective, Cristina inviting Alberto Jr. is just one more way Cristina's trying to prove she's healed. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 21:58:30 GMT -5
Lara I feel you pain but there's hope for Ann at least she didn't sleep with Carlos yet Alberto may come back before the wedding night but Clara slept with matao worse enemy she knew how matao feels about Marco and yet she went to bed with him some love I hope Mateo doesn't go back to her. I never liked Clara and Mateo that much, I think I was in a club of 1 on that. They never seemed compatible to me. Why she would be angry with him that he slept with other women 4 years after a divorce is beyond me. Is she not sleeping with Marco. Therein lies the problem I have had with the show, everything is frozen from S1, the couples, the antagonists etc.. What was the point of jumping 5 years? It just magnifies the problem. As you know, I have a major problem with the kids too. Are they saying everyone that meets, even 5 year olds, are destined to be the great loves of each other's lives? Doesn't that lessen the protagonist couple's love story? I actually find the kids' relationship creepy. I feel like it was out of character for Emilio and Rita to encourage it. It is one thing to be cordial at work, but given Cristina's history of trying to kill her and obsession with the child's father, no way I would I allow my son anywhere near her or her daughter nor would I trust my child going over to her home. Ana didn't think it was odd that Cristina even invited him since the kids don't really know each other except for that one encounter where Cristina didn't want them to be friends. This and Ana accepting a loveless marriage proposal is another example of how these characters don't learn from past mistakes. Emilio always told Ana only marry for love, he changed his tune on that too. . I agree with you Laura in the first episode both mother gave each child a lecture on why they cannot be friends and three episodes later they are going to birthday party WHAT THE HELL make up your minds are they it different class or what |
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 21:58:35 GMT -5
Everyone here cannot will not agree with Everything that Alfi says we all cannot like the same thing Alfi gets an attitude when you give an opinion that he doesn't like Clara in the show not in real life could be considered a slut of all the woman and the time period the show is portraying that is my opinion and if Alfi have a problem with other people's opinions he shouldn't be on this forum this is not a dictatorship. Christine, no one here is saying that everyone has to agree with alfi, nor was he giving you attitude. He was making a joke about an "Ignore" button instead of a "venting" thread like VV suggested the other day. It was a joke. This board is supposed to be fun. It'd be good if everyone could remember that: THIS BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO BE FUN. |
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 22:27:47 GMT -5
Alfi and Lara, I've sent you both messages. Everyone, can we please get back to discussing the actual show? What did everyone think of the Pedro/Rita storyline? Was Jonas right to help Pedro destroy the workroom? Is Humberto really gay, and is he a good match for Raul? Does Enrique actually care for Patricia? Can he be a good father? What did everyone think of Jonas' little sister, Antonia? What was everyone's favorite scene? And which actor was the MVP (Most Valuable Player) of this episode? AL? PE? JR? MH? MG? Someone else? Also, in board milestone news, today we surpassed our record for most users online at the same time -- the previous record was, I think, 54 or something like that, on the day of the S4 premiere. But today during the show, there were 63 users online at the same time.  |
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Post by primusoars on Nov 2, 2016 22:48:44 GMT -5
Quick recap of today's episode for those who weren't able to watch: * Pedro learned about Rita's cancer, and Enrique/Marco agreed to give him money for treatment if he destroyed Ana's new workroom. So Pedro and Jonas destroyed it at the end of tonight's episode.  This is hard for me to believe that Pedro haven't exhausted all the other ways to find the money for Rita's treatment and he just make the decision to take Enrique and Marco's and fulfill the condition they required. Jonas go along with it. They may be simple country guys but they are not stupid. This is what small gangster will do and Pedro and Jonas are not gangsters. * Raul confronted Humberto and they had a heart-to-heart...I didn't get most of it, but it involved Humberto telling Raul that he's not the man Spain thinks he is. * Valentin told Enrique that Patricia is pregnant, and after Enrique left the room Patricia slapped Valentin and blew up at him. Later, Enrique confronted Patricia, they had words, and then they started making out. I thought Enrique change into a more gentler person since he show lots of caring toward Patricia. But why is he manipulate Pedro into doing such thing. * Cristina and Carlos continued plotting, and Cristina invited Alberto to Cris' (that's what they're calling the daughter) birthday party. Alberto Jr. and Cris bonded, and Carlos got a chance to bond with/talk to Alberto Jr. * Ana agonized over whether or not to accept Carlos' proposal, talking to Emilio, Mateo, and Clara/Rita over the course of the episode. In the end, she decided to accept. * Clara kissed Marco in front of Mateo, and Mateo was really shaken up by it. alfi or VV can add in other details I left out, but that's the gist. |
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 2, 2016 23:03:13 GMT -5
I thought the episode was great, but also exhausting. Rita and Pedro are my favorite couple and this episode was heavy on them and in a sad way.
I always love Raul. He's one of my favorite characters and was great this episode from what I could tell. I only caught about half of what is going on since I don't understand that much Spanish. This is the first time I'm actually more interested in Humberto.
I wish they would have given Patricia a better story line. I loved how she had progressed last season and don't love her with Enrique.
I know most people on here are really into the A/A love story and love MAS. That actually has never been the draw for me. Don't get me wrong, I want them to end up together. I just don't find them that interesting and I think they have done some pretty bad and stupid things. They are not blameless in this story and the way they used Christina in season 1 really made it hard for me to be that sympathetic to them. I always felt like the writers felt they had to make Christina and Carlos so bad/crazy to try to make A/A look better and make it so people would root for them.
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Post by loveloulabel on Nov 3, 2016 0:13:46 GMT -5
I'm having fun lol. I haven't seen the episode yet as I wait patiently for subtitles (which are hugely appreciated btw) and I read the posts as a way to not feel to anxious when I watch 😆
I love Clara and Mateo's chemistry. A lot.
Can anyone say more about Pedro's reaction to Rita's news??
I Love Alberto Jr too.
Now play nice and if you can't then 'just smile and wave boys (and girls), just smile and wave'. 🤗
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Post by Admin on Nov 3, 2016 0:33:51 GMT -5
Okay Christine, Lara, and alfi, please refrain from any negative comments. I do NOT want to ban anyone from this forum. Like North mentioned this forum is supposed to be fun. I would like to keep it that way and for that reason I'm going to start deleting your posts. Let's keep this discussion thread about the episode and not be so negative toward each other.
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Post by Finnish hola on Nov 3, 2016 0:40:22 GMT -5
I'm going to have an Alberto party when he finally returns!😍or a heart attack!!and he better kick some ass, for sure!! Fyeah me too!!  First I had problems to watch with english subs, but then I deleted Dailymotion on my Safari browser and just clicked the link in this discussion. I was so happy it worked!! In Finland we have only 2 seasons vv in Netflix. I've watched vv3 and these new episodes here - THANK YOU <3 I can't understand why I'm so addicted!? |
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Post by carlucc on Nov 3, 2016 1:05:46 GMT -5
Okay Christine, Lara, and alfi, please refrain from any negative comments. I do NOT want to ban anyone from this forum. Like North mentioned this forum is supposed to be fun. I would like to keep it that way and for that reason I'm going to start deleting your posts. Let's keep this discussion thread about the episode and not be so negative toward each other. Great idea. Some of the posts were unnecessary and rude and at times I felt like stopping to check in. |
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Post by Krys on Nov 3, 2016 1:52:34 GMT -5
Patricia, whyyyyyy. Ugh, she can do so much better than Enrique. :/ I honestly have no hope for her storyline or love life anymore. Poor Valentin, though. He can be annoying, but he definitely doesn't deserve what's happening behind his back.
Well, now I'm finally interested in Humberto as a character. Wonder where this'll go... If they're going there with him and Raul, I'd kind of love if Humberto starts falling for Raul first and not the other way around.
I'm soooo curious about what happened with Mateo and Clara, lol. For now, I'm on Mateo's side only because he seems to be acting more mature about the whole thing. Clara is erring a bit on the side of aggravating, though she may very well have a good reason for it. Guess it's still just a waiting game.
Marco. Totally over him, wish he would head back to Italy. Though I'm sure his fiancee will end up making an appearance to shake things up with Clara.
Pedro, oh Pedro. So frustrating with Jonas, but completely tearing my heart out when he finds out about Rita. Seriously, screw Marco and Enrique.
Alberto Jr and Cris are adorable, but knowing Cristina is still scheming partially ruins their dynamic for me. Like, I picture them growing up (à la Ana & Alberto) but the idea of their families being tied together... A&A would basically never be free of Cristina, and besides their happy ending, that's what I want most for them. Cristina, too. She needs to heal and Alberto just makes her crazy.
Don't do it, Ana! DON'T DO IT.
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Post by christal1990 on Nov 3, 2016 7:06:42 GMT -5
I didn't like this episode much Raul and What's his name was best part I love ❤️ Raul from day one. Christina and Ann I thought they told the kids that they could not be friends in the first episode and now they can be am I missing something? Pedro and his cousin why did the writers make them do such a horrible and unnecessary thing why didn't they make him go to Ann in the first place.This kind of violence is not the velvet that I fell in love with the final season and it is so depressing what Clara did to Matao is cruel and was not necessary . This is like going through a dark tunnel I am dying to see some light 😱😱
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Post by Blatina on Nov 3, 2016 8:53:14 GMT -5
Alfi and Lara, I've sent you both messages. Everyone, can we please get back to discussing the actual show? What did everyone think of the Pedro/Rita storyline? Was Jonas right to help Pedro destroy the workroom? Is Humberto really gay, and is he a good match for Raul? Does Enrique actually care for Patricia? Can he be a good father? What did everyone think of Jonas' little sister, Antonia? What was everyone's favorite scene? And which actor was the MVP (Most Valuable Player) of this episode? AL? PE? JR? MH? MG? Someone else? Also, in board milestone news, today we surpassed our record for most users online at the same time -- the previous record was, I think, 54 or something like that, on the day of the S4 premiere. But today during the show, there were 63 users online at the same time. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 11:53:03 GMT -5
I defend her because she is in love with Mateo, she is hurt because she thinks that Mateo is with another woman, she has to learn to control her jealous and mad impulses and take a breath before acting though. And she had already broken up with Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo would be back in the galleries, that kiss means nothing for her. For Mateo though... losing Alberto and then this. Sorry Alfi but I don't agree in this instance that love and jealousy can excuse Clara's behavior towards Mateo. For one she's screwing Marco so she has no right to be jealous and secondly she uses that kiss to purposely hurt Mateo. That shows me she's still the same insecure and mostly self-centered woman from 5 years ago. Mateo now is more calmer, wiser and mature. Yep, i thought that Mateo was going to discover the whole thing like Marco did when he saw Mateo and Clara hug, i didn't expect Clara doing such horrible thing to him. I was not excusing her behaviour, though it was a misunderstanding between them again, i just thought that slut was a bit too much to describe her. Maybe the plot with Rita is going to force Clara to mature and she is the one doing the conquering effort to be with the man she wants to be, unlike previous seasons when Mateo was doing the effort, because right now, nothing we know about Mateo is excusing Clara reactions. And yep, Alberto lost, taking his own path without him and becoming a successful man and the friendship with Ana have made Mateo evolve positively in many aspects. |
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 3, 2016 12:00:49 GMT -5
I posted this in another thread, but I would like to respond with what I thought of this episode. Forgive I only got to watch part 2 of Episode 5 without subtitles so I may be missing some key features.
I am concerned about Alberto Jr. He's becoming too attached to Carlos. What happenes to Alberto Jr. when Alberto returnes, knows Carlos kept Alberto from his mom and him for over 5 years and Carlos is to blame. How devastating is that going to be for Alberto Jr.? Will Ana tell him. I find this enormously heartbreaking for a young child.
Christina using the children to bring Carlos and Ana together. Wow, how low will this woman go! I am so tierd of Christina, it just too much to see her win at this. And Carlos too. I agree however, although I haven't seen the episode, that it probable that Emilio and Rita have changed their attitude towards Christina and see no wrong with Alberto Jr. having a friend to play with. But I am curious after the conversation each mother gave their children at the beginning that it's OK now. But that's what novellas are, license to change script. But what will happen to the children when the truth finally comes out and Ana recognizes Christina to be the evil witch she is. The friendship of the 2 little ones are at stake. very sad.
Humberto is gay. Raul finally has a love interest...or not.
I thought Petro performance heartwrenching to watch. His acting has depth. I have noted this somehwere else but I feel sometimes that the last season of Velvet is to prove that some actors have real abilities in their acting. Wouldn't surprise me if S4 has some of that in mind so they can leave the show and find work elsewhere. That's pretty pessimistic of me, but so far the show has fallen short of expectations and I must admit I feel some of these scenes and story lines were created with license until Alberto shows up in the finale.
I'm not likeing the Mateo/Clara/Marco storyline at all. It's fallen way short of a Mateo/Clara renactment. To tell the truth I would prefer if Alberto didn't come back and Ana and Mateo would get together. The story for S4 would have made much more sense and had such possibilities. However, I've invested some time in the Alberto/Ana reconciliation that I'm still hoping for that but to get their has been a long and tortuous road. Not nearly as engaging as earlier seasons. Just my opinion.
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