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Post by Lara on Nov 2, 2016 20:43:47 GMT -5
Alfi how can you defend her they're not together he has his life and she has her sleeping with his worst enemy did he slap her no i am not saying that she shouldn't be jealous but she needs to learn some self control he deserve better some like Ann. I'm with you Christine. Mateo has matured but Clara hasn't. If they had really killed off Alberto, then Ana and Mateo would be perfect together. I'd rather see Mateo paired with someone else...maybe Jonas's sister 😳 The characters and, the writers apparently, have all been lobotomized. Emilio and Rita encouraging Ana to allow her son to go to the party. Ana seeing Carlos manipulate her using her son and allowing it. I guess it never dawned on her that she could try to find love again, with I don't know, someone she actually could love. At this point I'm not even sure how I feel about Alberto coming back. They haven't been together in a while and Ana is just not the same to me anymore. I thought the same thing Liz, they should have really killed off Alberto/MAS because this absolutely didn't work. Adele made it even worse. They should have put Mateo with Ana together this season and ended it that way. Mateo is way too good for Clara. As for Cristina, 20+ episodes of her being an absolutely evil bitch to get a resolution in minutes, no doubt. The season is half over with no end in sight to her. Terrible last season to a once beautiful show. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 20:43:49 GMT -5
I defend her because she is in love with Mateo, she is hurt because she thinks that Mateo is with another woman, she has to learn to control her jealous and mad impulses and take a breath before acting though. And she had already broken up with Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo would be back in the galleries, that kiss means nothing for her. For Mateo though... losing Alberto and then this. when did she and which episode did she broke up with Marco? I must have missed that one or it is not translated yet for me to understand what she said. Her love for matao is sure different from Ann's love for Alberto or is it that she loves sex that is why another boss was in her room in less than five years I never like the Marco and her story line It made her look like a slut it would've been better having him going out of his way trying to sleep with her. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 20:51:47 GMT -5
I'm with you Christine. Mateo has matured but Clara hasn't. If they had really killed off Alberto, then Ana and Mateo would be perfect together. I'd rather see Mateo paired with someone else...maybe Jonas's sister 😳 The characters and, the writers apparently, have all been lobotomized. Emilio and Rita encouraging Ana to allow her son to go to the party. Ana seeing Carlos manipulate her using her son and allowing it. I guess it never dawned on her that she could try to find love again, with I don't know, someone she actually could love. At this point I'm not even sure how I feel about Alberto coming back. They haven't been together in a while and Ana is just not the same to me anymore. I thought the same thing Liz, they should have really killed off Alberto/MAS because this absolutely didn't work. Adele made it even worse. They should have put Mateo with Ana together this season and ended it that way. Mateo is way too good for Clara. As for Cristina, 20+ episodes of her being an absolutely evil bitch to get a resolution in minutes, no doubt. The season is half over with no end in sight to her. Terrible last season to a once beautiful show. Lara I feel you pain but there's hope for Ann at least she didn't sleep with Carlos yet Alberto may come back before the wedding night but Clara slept with matao worse enemy she knew how matao feels about Marco and yet she went to bed with him some love I hope Mateo doesn't go back to her. |
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Post by liz on Nov 2, 2016 20:54:29 GMT -5
I defend her because she is in love with Mateo, she is hurt because she thinks that Mateo is with another woman, she has to learn to control her jealous and mad impulses and take a breath before acting though. And she had already broken up with Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo would be back in the galleries, that kiss means nothing for her. For Mateo though... losing Alberto and then this. Sorry Alfi but I don't agree in this instance that love and jealousy can excuse Clara's behavior towards Mateo. For one she's screwing Marco so she has no right to be jealous and secondly she uses that kiss to purposely hurt Mateo. That shows me she's still the same insecure and mostly self-centered woman from 5 years ago. Mateo now is more calmer, wiser and mature. |
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 20:56:40 GMT -5
Emilio and Rita encouraging Ana to allow her son to go to the party. I don't blame Emilio and Rita for this. We know that Cristina is back to her evil ways, but to everyone else at Velvet, she's healed and trying to make amends. So all Emilio and Rita see is Ana refusing to let her son go to an innocent little girl's birthday party. This is actually yet another reason I don't like the "Cristina pushes Carlos/Ana together" twist -- if they'd actually allowed her to heal, we could have seen a story with both women initially refusing to allow their children to have contact, only to learn (through their children) that they'd be making the same mistakes Rafael, Gloria, and Emilio did. It could have been an opportunity for character growth and true reconciliation. But now, because Cristina's using her daughter to hurt Ana and both Albertos, Ana's fear about Cris/Alberto Jr. is going to turn out to be justified. And Cris is now added to her mother's long list of victims. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 21:13:25 GMT -5
Like a slut? she sleeps with one man and she is a slut? wow Christine, if some man would say something like that about a woman he would be accused of murder or something worst  . As a man, the problem is not her sleeping with another man, even Marco Cafiero, the problem is she choosing/preferring other man (whoever he is) over him, but that's not the case here, she wants to be with Mateo, Marco for her is nothing, she ignored Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo came back, she wanted to see Mateo and talk about them. Btw, VV, Northbound, i don't need a venting thread, i need an ignore button. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 21:13:55 GMT -5
Clara shouldn't have hit Mateo because, well, that's just unnecessary violence. But I'm not going to condemn her too harshly for it, just like I didn't condemn Ana for slapping Alberto after she learned he slept with Sara. In both cases, Ana and Clara let their emotions get the better of them. I also want to withhold judgment until we get the full story behind M/C's separation. Mateo looks more sympathetic right now because he's apparently single while Clara has been with Marco the jerk. And it may be that when the story of "the bad day" or whatever they're calling it comes out, we'll realize that it was all or mostly Clara's fault and Mateo was all or mostly blameless. But, until then, it's possible that Mateo made mistakes just as Clara did, and that that's where Clara's anger is coming from. Basically, I want to wait and see before I side with one or the other. So what could Mateo have done that is so bad that she has to sleep with his worst enemy some one she knows he hates. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 21:20:04 GMT -5
Mateo is a womanizer haha, why are you wishing such calamity to another woman?  . We are still missing what Mateo did to Clara. A womanizer who didn't sleep with any of Clara's worse enemy why'd she sleep with someone else. |
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Post by Lara on Nov 2, 2016 21:22:20 GMT -5
The characters and, the writers apparently, have all been lobotomized. Emilio and Rita encouraging Ana to allow her son to go to the party. Ana seeing Carlos manipulate her using her son and allowing it. I guess it never dawned on her that she could try to find love again, with I don't know, someone she actually could love. At this point I'm not even sure how I feel about Alberto coming back. They haven't been together in a while and Ana is just not the same to me anymore. I thought the same thing Liz, they should have really killed off Alberto/MAS because this absolutely didn't work. Adele made it even worse. They should have put Mateo with Ana together this season and ended it that way. Mateo is way too good for Clara. As for Cristina, 20+ episodes of her being an absolutely evil bitch to get a resolution in minutes, no doubt. The season is half over with no end in sight to her. Terrible last season to a once beautiful show. Lara I feel you pain but there's hope for Ann at least she didn't sleep with Carlos yet Alberto may come back before the wedding night but Clara slept with matao worse enemy she knew how matao feels about Marco and yet she went to bed with him some love I hope Mateo doesn't go back to her. I never liked Clara and Mateo that much, I think I was in a club of 1 on that. They never seemed compatible to me. Why she would be angry with him that he slept with other women 4 years after a divorce is beyond me. Is she not sleeping with Marco. Therein lies the problem I have had with the show, everything is frozen from S1, the couples, the antagonists etc.. What was the point of jumping 5 years? It just magnifies the problem. As you know, I have a major problem with the kids too. Are they saying everyone that meets, even 5 year olds, are destined to be the great loves of each other's lives? Doesn't that lessen the protagonist couple's love story? I actually find the kids' relationship creepy. I feel like it was out of character for Emilio and Rita to encourage it. It is one thing to be cordial at work, but given Cristina's history of trying to kill her and obsession with the child's father, no way I would I allow my son anywhere near her or her daughter nor would I trust my child going over to her home. Ana didn't think it was odd that Cristina even invited him since the kids don't really know each other except for that one encounter where Cristina didn't want them to be friends. This and Ana accepting a loveless marriage proposal is another example of how these characters don't learn from past mistakes. Emilio always told Ana only marry for love, he changed his tune on that too. |
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 21:29:14 GMT -5
Clara shouldn't have hit Mateo because, well, that's just unnecessary violence. But I'm not going to condemn her too harshly for it, just like I didn't condemn Ana for slapping Alberto after she learned he slept with Sara. In both cases, Ana and Clara let their emotions get the better of them. I also want to withhold judgment until we get the full story behind M/C's separation. Mateo looks more sympathetic right now because he's apparently single while Clara has been with Marco the jerk. And it may be that when the story of "the bad day" or whatever they're calling it comes out, we'll realize that it was all or mostly Clara's fault and Mateo was all or mostly blameless. But, until then, it's possible that Mateo made mistakes just as Clara did, and that that's where Clara's anger is coming from. Basically, I want to wait and see before I side with one or the other. So what could Mateo have done that is so bad that she has to sleep with his worst enemy some one she knows he hates. I don't know. Maybe he didn't do anything -- maybe he's a total saint in this and Clara's the baddie. My point was that we still don't know what, exactly, went down to end their marriage. All we DO know is that, when we picked up five years later, Clara was flying into a rage at the mere mention of his name, and Mateo was hiding away from Velvet and everyone who worked there. Before I condemn either character, I want to get the full story. Btw, VV, Northbound, i don't need a venting thread, i need an ignore button. Well, I know VV raised the question of starting a thread for venting, but no one seemed to jump on the idea, and then things calmed down, so neither of us created one. We're in a difficult situation here, because some posters love the show and are brought down by the negativity (which I completely understand), and other posters dislike the show and could/should have a place to vent their frustration (which I ALSO completely understand). As long as things stay civil, it's fine. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 21:29:18 GMT -5
Like a slut? she sleeps with one man and she is a slut? wow Christine, if some man would say something like that about a woman he would be accused of murder or something worst . As a man, the problem is not her sleeping with another man, even Marco Cafiero, the problem is she choosing/preferring other man (whoever he is) over him, but that's not the case here, she wants to be with Mateo, Marco for her is nothing, she ignored Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo came back, she wanted to see Mateo and talk about them. Btw, VV, Northbound, i don't need a venting thread, i need an ignore button. The writers make her a slut not me how many men did Ann or Rita slept with on the show how she is the only woman in the show that slept with more than two men and the only one that went from one boss to the other so don't get mad at me get a ignored button for your writers , |
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 21:44:30 GMT -5
Like a slut? she sleeps with one man and she is a slut? wow Christine, if some man would say something like that about a woman he would be accused of murder or something worst . As a man, the problem is not her sleeping with another man, even Marco Cafiero, the problem is she choosing/preferring other man (whoever he is) over him, but that's not the case here, she wants to be with Mateo, Marco for her is nothing, she ignored Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo came back, she wanted to see Mateo and talk about them. Btw, VV, Northbound, i don't need a venting thread, i need an ignore button. The writers make her a slut not me how many men did Ann or Rita slept with on the show how she is the only woman in the show that slept with more than two men and the only one that went from one boss to the other so don't get mad at me get a ignored button for your writers , I'm with alfi...I don't like the term slut to begin with, but even the strict definition of it ("a promiscuous woman" per Merriam Webster) doesn't fit Clara -- she's a woman in her mid-to-late 30s who has only slept with three men. I don't think that qualifies as promiscuous. A fairer criticism is that she hasn't grown in terms of controlling her temper and her tendency toward violence. That's something that's going to have to change if she and Mateo are ever going to work. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 21:46:43 GMT -5
So what could Mateo have done that is so bad that she has to sleep with his worst enemy some one she knows he hates. I don't know. Maybe he didn't do anything -- maybe he's a total saint in this and Clara's the baddie. My point was that we still don't know what, exactly, went down to end their marriage. All we DO know is that, when we picked up five years later, Clara was flying into a rage at the mere mention of his name, and Mateo was hiding away from Velvet and everyone who worked there. Before I condemn either character, I want to get the full story. Btw, VV, Northbound, i don't need a venting thread, i need an ignore button. Well, I know VV raised the question of starting a thread for venting, but no one seemed to jump on the idea, and then things calmed down, so neither of us created one. We're in a difficult situation here, because some posters love the show and are brought down by the negativity (which I completely understand), and other posters dislike the show and could/should have a place to vent their frustration (which I ALSO completely understand). As long as things stay civil, it's fine. Everyone here cannot will not agree with Everything that Alfi says we all cannot like the same thing Alfi gets an attitude when you give an opinion that he doesn't like Clara in the show not in real life could be considered a slut of all the woman and the time period the show is portraying that is my opinion and if Alfi have a problem with other people's opinions he shouldn't be on this forum this is not a dictatorship. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 21:48:41 GMT -5
Like a slut? she sleeps with one man and she is a slut? wow Christine, if some man would say something like that about a woman he would be accused of murder or something worst . As a man, the problem is not her sleeping with another man, even Marco Cafiero, the problem is she choosing/preferring other man (whoever he is) over him, but that's not the case here, she wants to be with Mateo, Marco for her is nothing, she ignored Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo came back, she wanted to see Mateo and talk about them. Btw, VV, Northbound, i don't need a venting thread, i need an ignore button. The writers make her a slut not me how many men did Ann or Rita slept with on the show how she is the only woman in the show that slept with more than two men and the only one that went from one boss to the other so don't get mad at me get a ignored button for your writers , I can't ignore guests so i was not talking about you. Christine trust me, what Clara did to Mateo was incredible cruel, but not because she, a single mature woman, had sex with Marco Cafiero. Mateo doesn't care about that, Clara is not a trophy he lost to his enemy. The problem is that Mateo watched the woman he loves choosing other man over him. That's the worst thing Clara could have done to Mateo. Do you understand what i'm trying to explain to you? Clara did not betray him, she even broke up with Marco after what she did. |
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Post by Blatina on Nov 2, 2016 21:51:14 GMT -5
Mateo is a womanizer haha, why are you wishing such calamity to another woman? . We are still missing what Mateo did to Clara. A womanizer who didn't sleep with any of Clara's worse enemy why'd she sleep with someone else. Lol perhaps it's what Clara did to Mateo... the guys are not always at fault  |
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. As a man, the problem is not her sleeping with another man, even Marco Cafiero, the problem is she choosing/preferring other man (whoever he is) over him, but that's not the case here, she wants to be with Mateo, Marco for her is nothing, she ignored Marco in the moment that she was told that Mateo came back, she wanted to see Mateo and talk about them. 
. We are still missing what Mateo did to Clara.