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Post by shari on Nov 3, 2016 13:17:56 GMT -5
"Humberto is gay. Raul finally has a love interest...or not."
Perhaps not a love interest, but perhaps Raul will be the friend who helps Humberto realize and accept who he truly is. This is after all 1960s Spain and homosexuality was actually against the law. I had a friend in the 60s in the US who was married to a man who eventually realized then accepted and embraced his homosexuality. It was incredibly emotionally painful for her and for him and for all of us who supported them through that experience.
Raul deserves to find a true and loving relationship, though. If Raul helps him through a very difficult time maybe they will get to that happy place.
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 3, 2016 17:56:28 GMT -5
I thought the episode was great, but also exhausting. Rita and Pedro are my favorite couple and this episode was heavy on them and in a sad way. "Exhausting" is a good way of putting it. Especially those gut-wrenching scenes of Pedro destroying the workroom. Yeah, I'm very unhappy with the way they're handling Patricia. I've said this before, but I felt in S3 like there was an abrupt change when Patricia/Jonas was dropped and she was slammed back together with Enrique. I don't think that was the original plan, because you're right, she showed character growth last season, and now that growth isn't showing for much. I can't believe she's not interacting more with Ana and Alberto, Jr. after those touching scenes she and Ana had last year during Ana's pregnancy. I love A/A, but I find they don't occupy my thoughts that much because I see them as destined to be together, and you're right that Carlos/Cristina are really just being used as instruments to that end. I tend to focus more on the trickier couples where the ending isn't a foregone conclusion, but is instead something fans have to hope for (i.e., Patricia/Jonas, Max/Blanca, and Clara/Mateo, though they're close to seeming as "meant to be" as A/A are). I watched Velvet with my sister once, and she couldn't stand how A/A were treating Cristina -- she thought they were being unbelievably cruel/selfish. What I liked about S1 Cristina, though, was that many shows would have made her an evil bitch right away...but she came across as sweet, genuine, and sympathetic. I thought that made for a much more realistic story. I'm glad! They do have great chemistry. Patricia, whyyyyyy. Ugh, she can do so much better than Enrique. :/ I honestly have no hope for her storyline or love life anymore.  This is seriously my biggest disappointment this season. As frustrated as I am by the lack of Alberto, I am far more depressed by the thought of Patricia ending up with Enrique. That'd be great. Right now, Mateo definitely looks more sympathetic. I just can't tell if that's going to continue to be the case or not. I agree on all counts. Christina and Ann I thought they told the kids that they could not be friends in the first episode and now they can be am I missing something? But I am curious after the conversation each mother gave their children at the beginning that it's OK now. My understanding is that Cristina only changed her mind about letting Cris hang out with Alberto, Jr. because it feeds into her revenge plans -- that is, she knows if she invites Alberto, Jr. to the party that it'll be a way for him to bond with Carlos and help pave the way for Ana to agree to Carlos' proposal. I doubt she'll let the kids interact again unless it suits her interests. Ana definitely didn't want Alberto, Jr. to go to the party -- she had to be talked into it by Emilio. Pedro absolutely should have gone to Ana or Mateo or someone. But he's an impulsive character and I got the impression that he was so devastated by his situation that he wasn't thinking straight...so he just ran to the workroom to get it over with as quickly as possible. I'm glad Jonas helped, though, because it proves his loyalty to his cousin. I am concerned about Alberto Jr. He's becoming too attached to Carlos. What happenes to Alberto Jr. when Alberto returnes, knows Carlos kept Alberto from his mom and him for over 5 years and Carlos is to blame. How devastating is that going to be for Alberto Jr.? Will Ana tell him. I find this enormously heartbreaking for a young child. I agree, and I hope that this is all addressed during the fallout of Alberto's return. CF (Rita) said in an interview the other day that Rita got cancer because she (CF) wanted a meaty/dramatic storyline and not just something comedic. Plus, Ramon Campos, one of the producers, gave an interview months ago where he blamed S3's low ratings on the comedic plotlines in the first half of the season. He said that the writers were going to make S4 dramatic right off the bat. So it's not your imagination -- there's definitely a concentrated effort from the writers to take things in a darker direction. Raul deserves to find a true and loving relationship, though. If Raul helps him through a very difficult time maybe they will get to that happy place. I agree with this -- I want Raul to find happiness...either with Humberto or with someone else (Toni's still out there, after all...). |
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Post by louisapastoors on Nov 3, 2016 18:20:17 GMT -5
Sorry guys, but what is all this talk about rain and a blue dress?
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Post by primusoars on Nov 3, 2016 18:27:27 GMT -5
In her defense i will say that it really looked like Mateo was having a sexual encounter with a woman, same room same hotel... Clarita is very jealous, too much for her own good, because she is in a relationship with a man who likes to flirt too much for his own good  Why can they have a more mature relationship and a more mature conflict then just good old jealous, taking a easy way out in this episode! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 19:06:23 GMT -5
In her defense i will say that it really looked like Mateo was having a sexual encounter with a woman, same room same hotel... Clarita is very jealous, too much for her own good, because she is in a relationship with a man who likes to flirt too much for his own good Why can they have a more mature relationship and a more mature conflict then just good old jealous, taking a easy way out in this episode! I read some Americans and English fans of Gran Hotel describing it as Upstairs Downstairs on steroids. I did not watch that show but i suppose that its main target were women, right?, Velvet is like any english tv show targeting women but on steroids. How did you felt when Clara kissed Marco in front of Mateo? awful? yes? and Mateo desolated reaction probably broke your heart? well, that's the aim of the writers. Plot is used to create drama, even if it's quite silly sometimes, like not asking before slapping Mateo who was the woman who was calling him. You have to let you go with the flow of the show because if you over-analyze the plot you are going to discover that many times it has not sense, like the conversations which are listened by everyone. Mateo and Clara will eventually make peace and solve their problems and then your reaction will be of happiness, after all the pain and suffering you know that there is a good ending coming for both, so you let you go awaiting for the forgiveness and reconciliation of the couple. This formula is very addictive in spanish speaking countries. |
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Post by Texas on Nov 3, 2016 19:18:13 GMT -5
The rain and the blue dress is a small sample video of Alberto when he comes back to Velvet. I found it on antena3 TV velvet along with lots of short videos about the characters.i think you can see it other places but that's where I saw it!💖
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Post by primusoars on Nov 3, 2016 21:22:54 GMT -5
Why can they have a more mature relationship and a more mature conflict then just good old jealous, taking a easy way out in this episode! I read some Americans and English fans of Gran Hotel describing it as Upstairs Downstairs on steroids. I did not watch that show but i suppose that its main target were women, right?, Velvet is like any english tv show targeting women but on steroids. How did you felt when Clara kissed Marco in front of Mateo? awful? yes? and Mateo desolated reaction probably broke your heart? well, that's the aim of the writers. Plot is used to create drama, even if it's quite silly sometimes, like not asking before slapping Mateo who was the woman who was calling him. You have to let you go with the flow of the show because if you over-analyze the plot you are going to discover that many times it has not sense, like the conversations which are listened by everyone. Mateo and Clara will eventually make peace and solve their problems and then your reaction will be of happiness, after all the pain and suffering you know that there is a good ending coming for both, so you let you go awaiting for the forgiveness and reconciliation of the couple. This formula is very addictive in spanish speaking countries. Kissing Marco in front of Mateo is childish, immature and old trick, I don't care for it. In S3 Mateo and Clara went through the heart wrenching death of Albert I thought this event matured couple and they got marry because they love each other. This storyline should be closed but the writer can't fill the series with Alberto so 5 years later they choose to break this couples marriage write the same storyline and use the same scenario as before, wasn't this is one of the reason Clara was piss off when Mateo making the stupid joke when Sera came by in episode 3. Rita's storyline was fresh, heart felt and tragic, it showed at the time in Spain if you don't have money you don't get treated for life and death illness. You know how I feel about Christina's character, it overdone like Carlos. I love Raul and Blanca's Characters they make changes and matures through each episode they make the audience hopeful that people can change and mature. The encounter between Clara, Mateo and Marco does not break my heart it actually tired me out; same old stuff. Upstairs and downstairs is series about upper and working class people it is nothing like GH, I doubt it target women. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2016 22:25:35 GMT -5
I was surprised when i found out that they were separated, I thought their plot would be about being a dysfunctional marriage. With old trick you mean in other series? because Clara and Mateo never had a third person between them, unless you count Pedro, and their relationship was always used as comic relief. And if something is overused is because it works. Mateo has matured a lot because Alberto's death affected him deeply, she felt bad because Mateo was suffering, but it wasn't the same for both. In other seasons it was Clara the one maturing and Mateo one step behind her, they maybe flipped that dynamic. Anyway there is still more to come from them, we still don't know what happen the day they broke up.
Cristina and Carlos are not overdone, someone who holds a grudge like Cristina or someone who hides the fact that the father of a kid is still alive, are uber-overdone...but that's the trick. They even played with the hairdos of "healed" and "mad" Cristina. They are not "serious" characters, Cristina is the evil witch of the tale.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 3, 2016 22:38:23 GMT -5
I was surprised when i found out that they were separated, I thought their plot would be about being a dysfunctional marriage. With old trick you mean in other series? because Clara and Mateo never had a third person between them, unless you count Pedro, and their relationship was always used as comic relief. And if something is overused is because it works. Mateo has matured a lot because Alberto's death affected him deeply, she felt bad because Mateo was suffering, but it wasn't the same for both. In other seasons it was Clara the one maturing and Mateo one step behind her, they maybe flipped that dynamic. Anyway there is still more to come from them, we still don't know what happen the day they broke up. Cristina and Carlos are not overdone, someone who holds a grudge like Cristina or someone who hides the fact that the father of a kid is still alive, are uber-overdone...but that's the trick. They even played with the hairdos of "healed" and "mad" Cristina. They are not "serious" characters, Cristina is the evil witch of the tale. How can you say Christina and Carlos are not serious characters in S4? This is what I am trying to say for awhile now, the writers give to much efforts in this two central characters and give the audiences an old tired storyline. If they want to use other story to fill in for Alberto's absent, use more imagination and come up with something fresh, logical and not forced. |
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Post by Lisa on Nov 3, 2016 23:02:22 GMT -5
Thank you so much!!!
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 4, 2016 0:46:22 GMT -5
So if Ana has the money to help Rita with her operation like it implies in the preview for next week, why did she need Carlos to help with renting Dona Auroras? I feel like she should be making a lot of money based on her job/success but it doesn't feel like she is, if that makes sense. Maybe that is just because she is still living at the store? Is she contracted to have to stay with Velvet? It just seems like she should have more options than being beholden to Marco.
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 4, 2016 1:28:51 GMT -5
So if Ana has the money to help Rita with her operation like it implies in the preview for next week, why did she need Carlos to help with renting Dona Auroras? I feel like she should be making a lot of money based on her job/success but it doesn't feel like she is, if that makes sense. Maybe that is just because she is still living at the store? Is she contracted to have to stay with Velvet? It just seems like she should have more options than being beholden to Marco. It could be a couple of things: 1. The workroom might cost more than the operation. (Did they give exact figures for either?) or 2. The workroom wasn't an emergency/necessity like Rita's surgery is, so Ana would be willing to move heaven and earth to get the funds for it, whereas with the workroom she may have been more cautious about the money. Also, it's my understanding that Ana has a contract with Velvet. |
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Post by louisapastoors on Nov 4, 2016 8:00:36 GMT -5
The rain and the blue dress is a small sample video of Alberto when he comes back to Velvet. I found it on antena3 TV velvet along with lots of short videos about the characters.i think you can see it other places but that's where I saw it!💖 Thank you!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2016 11:16:54 GMT -5
How can you say Christina and Carlos are not serious characters in S4? This is what I am trying to say for awhile now, the writers give to much efforts in this two central characters and give the audiences an old tired storyline. If they want to use other story to fill in for Alberto's absent, use more imagination and come up with something fresh, logical and not forced. Cristina is the main antagonist from the very beginning, i don't understand either why you want to remove her and swap her with another villain, which is really difficult to do. Every season she has evolved as a character, you have the snob girl who thinks that the world owes her happiness and a prince in the form of Alberto. In the second season is the wife who is losing her husband and don't understand why. In the third season she is holding a grudge against Ana because she thinks that Ana stole Alberto from her. The death of Alberto, the pregnancy and the attack with the scissors, that as I think ladyfromcanada said it was necessary to finish that arc, because if not it would have been Ana word against Cristina (and by the way, Ana was surrounded by three persons, one of them Marco, a man three times bigger than Cristina, Ana was not in real danger) did not put an end to Cristina whole arc, just a pause, her arc was always her relationship with Alberto. Now this new Cristina doesn't hold a grudge against Ana, she does with Alberto, who is the character Cristina thinks is guilty of destroying her life. In every scene she never had one bad word about Ana, her goal is to not just hurt Alberto, she wants to destroy him "stealing" Ana from him and giving her to another man, she is not third season Cristina anymore. I thought, silly of me, that Carlos was going to be the main antagonist of the show in the 4th season, but he is just a tool of Cristina that she is going to use to take revenge against Alberto. I thought he was going to be in a more intimate relationship, but knowing now how Cristina is the main antagonist as always, and reading the opinion of many women here about the idea of Ana having sex with Carlos (nothing sort of disgusting), this was writers' intention from the beginning. I think that Peter Vives is a handsome man, he is 10 years younger than PE, maybe that's the reason he and Ana looks weird, like they don't belong together, i think it was made on purpose, plus of course Ana and Alberto being the main couple of the show. If women thinks in him as disgusting, writers did a good job. Also, using a different/new/fresh plot explaining why Ana is not with Alberto... i only can think in this plot, Ana thinking Alberto is dead, and Alberto thinks Ana did not forgive him. Maybe others may come with another believable plot explaining the separation for 5 years but, phew, difficult. And to go on with that plot you need a believable "villain" who is going to separate Ana from Alberto hiding the fact that he is still alive, Carlos had already all the motives to do that. This is a tv show, it has many limitations telling an story. I think the writers did a good job putting Ana in a difficult situation in the 4th season taking in consideration that the main male lead was going to be absent for two halves of two seasons (maybe more). Of course it's not as good as the first two seasons, but that bar is very high. Third and 4th season are like the second part of a film, that even is it's good enough, it has not the quality of the first movie, because that movie was almost perfect. |
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 4, 2016 12:17:22 GMT -5
So if Ana has the money to help Rita with her operation like it implies in the preview for next week, why did she need Carlos to help with renting Dona Auroras? I feel like she should be making a lot of money based on her job/success but it doesn't feel like she is, if that makes sense. Maybe that is just because she is still living at the store? Is she contracted to have to stay with Velvet? It just seems like she should have more options than being beholden to Marco. It could be a couple of things: 1. The workroom might cost more than the operation. (Did they give exact figures for either?) or 2. The workroom wasn't an emergency/necessity like Rita's surgery is, so Ana would be willing to move heaven and earth to get the funds for it, whereas with the workroom she may have been more cautious about the money. Also, it's my understanding that Ana has a contract with Velvet. I think they gave the cost of the operation, but I'm not sure about the workroom. I agree that what you're saying is probably what's going on, I just wish it was clarified. I'm always wondering what I'm missing in translation, and it's frustrating to not have the plot always seem to make sense! 😊 |
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This is seriously my biggest disappointment this season. As frustrated as I am by the lack of Alberto, I am far more depressed by the thought of Patricia ending up with Enrique.
