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Post by carlucc on Nov 9, 2016 12:48:52 GMT -5
BK Alberto spoke many times about the fact that he worked his way up in a department store in London. At Alberto's funeral Mateo referenced their escapades in France. So that might account for those remaining years. But at the same time would they have been apart for 15-16 years? Maybe....he also would have seen Cristina during that time in London.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 14:32:28 GMT -5
Mateo left Velvet after the breakup with Clara, and he went work to the magazine. The conversation they had after the slap suggests that both didn't speak about what was bothering them about the other one, it seems they took offence, misunderstanding the other one intention/actions? Each one thinks the other one is guilty of the breakup.
1. Yep, the timeline doesn't make sense. I thought it was a 5-6 years gap though, but it's like you say, almost 10 years depending on how you interpret their ages when they get caught by their father and legal guardian. 2. They were "minors" or at least Ana, but especially Ana, women rights in the 50s in catholic Spain... i don't know if they had any emancipation laws back then, that's why they planned to escape together. 3. Timelines mess! In the letters they published about Alberto in London he didn't even mention Mateo's age. He did mention that he knew Mateo from the social parties his father force him to assist but they had never had the opportunity of intimate. 4. For the plot to work well, of Don Rafael and Don Emilio having the power to stop them marrying/escaping together and then jumping 5-6 years to theirs mid 20s, you would need younger actors than MAS and PE and you also have to take in consideration actors grow older too in real life. PE is almost 40, playing a 30 years old is somewhat ok, a 23-25 years old woman though... so they blurred the whole thing with dates which don't make sense. The show doesn't try to be real anyway.
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Post by debmac on Nov 9, 2016 15:28:01 GMT -5
You are the best! Thank you!!!
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Post by jodgrl on Nov 9, 2016 15:48:12 GMT -5
Poor Pedro having to destroy Anas dream to save his wife's life. He is so tormented, great acting.Alberto Jr couldn't be cuter. I'm Waiting patiently for the miraculous return of Alberto. Mateo loves Clara and she stills loves him. Now Raul needs his love interest.
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Post by dalovelee on Nov 9, 2016 23:20:06 GMT -5
Poor Pedro having to destroy Anas dream to save his wife's life. He is so tormented, great acting.Alberto Jr couldn't be cuter. I'm Waiting patiently for the miraculous return of Alberto. Mateo loves Clara and she stills loves him. Now Raul needs his love interest. That was such a heartbreaking and brutal decision for Pedro. To be honest I actually think Ana would not blame him for smashing up the place if it meant money for Rita's surgery. If only she knew. Carlos and Cristina are way too creepy mean...Once again when is Alberto coming back?!! At this point little Alberto has bonded with Carlos and will never see Carlos as the bad guy? By the time Alberto enters his sons life again he's not going to win his son over without Alberto Jr. suffering. Plus Alberto Jr. is bonding with Cristina's daughter so Alberto will be forced to engage with her to keep his son happy.. BUT is Alberto coming back ..it's 5 eps now.. I'm missing the early days feelings of Velvet. It's missing something. Maybe I'm missing the fashion part. We not seen any designer gowns or that feeling of them working for haute couture.
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Post by debmac on Nov 9, 2016 23:23:19 GMT -5
Poor Pedro having to destroy Anas dream to save his wife's life. He is so tormented, great acting.Alberto Jr couldn't be cuter. I'm Waiting patiently for the miraculous return of Alberto. Mateo loves Clara and she stills loves him. Now Raul needs his love interest. looks like Humberto is falling in love
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Post by demetra on Nov 10, 2016 3:23:17 GMT -5
Thank you very much for the translated sub titles! I really appreciate being able to see the show!!
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Post by Camille on Nov 10, 2016 11:36:43 GMT -5
Poor Pedro having to destroy Anas dream to save his wife's life. He is so tormented, great acting.Alberto Jr couldn't be cuter. I'm Waiting patiently for the miraculous return of Alberto. Mateo loves Clara and she stills loves him. Now Raul needs his love interest. looks like Humberto is falling in love Pedro played the drama scene really well. I'm not use to seeing him so serious. My heart ached for him. I was surprised he asked everyone for money but their close friends. Enrique is the lowest of men, how could he take advantage of Pedro at such a vulnerable time in his life by asking him to destroy Ana's store. It was nice to see that Humberto has a conscious and that he reached out to the newspaper to right his wrong so quickly. If only Christina and Carlos had a conscious. I really enjoy Raul in everyway. He has integrity, I love his character.😍
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Post by primusoars on Nov 10, 2016 23:49:35 GMT -5
The Clara/Mateo discussion here is so passionate! Quite appropriate for their relationship. Did anyone else see the interview on the Antena 3 website where PE said we wouldn't find out what had happened on the dia maldita (damned/cursed day) (or whatever they were calling the day Clara and Mateo broke up)? I can't find that video on their website anymore, and now I don't remember/am not sure I paid enough attention to understand if she was talking just about that episode or if she meant in general. I thought we got a major clue about what happened at this end of this captiulo, when Clara said to Marco that she was fed up with being with someone who put work first instead of her. I thought that was a clear sign of what might have gone wrong with Mateo. I wish we knew if he worked at Velvet or at Ecos de la Sociedad... One part of me thinks they'll slowly be revealing this information, but another worries that PE meant this will never come out. We also know that: Clara is incapable of sharing a bathroom with another person (according to Mateo) and (according to JR on the Antena 3 website, at least) Mateo continues to be "tan canalla" (or what I'd translate in this context to be is as much a rogue or bastard). What we actually see is that he has surrounded himself at the magazine with plenty of (though not exclusively) young pretty women and blatantly flirts (though not in front of Clara). (p.s. Here's the link to that interview with JR: www.antena3.com/series/velvet/entrevistas/javier-rey-velvet-ha-cambiado-mucho-pero-mateo-sigue-siendo-tan-canalla_2016091457da39800cf251f2ac12388d.html)As far as Clara and the slap, I'm much more forgiving than the majority on this board seem to be. Mateo and Clara are both very guarded this season--it seems clear that they love each other, but neither wants to admit it for fear that the other doesn't reciprocate and they would be deeply hurt again. They're protecting themselves. But Clara opened herself up when she cried in Mateo's arms and then they agreed to the date, plus she's worried about Rita, so I think she's feeling particularly vulnerable. She took the message about the hotel suite and had plenty of time to stew on that before she saw Mateo again. I read all her actions as just boiling over as a result of this fear and pain and general sludge of confusing emotions--and while I definitely have never slapped a man, if you think about it Cristina and Ana have both slapped Alberto, Rita slapped Alfonso, I can't remember it specifically but I assume someone's slapped Enrique, etc. Not to step too far out of the Velvet world, it's a nice dramatic effect for tv. (Also, have you noticed how often the guys punch each other? Alberto seemed to have an artful cut across one of his eyebrows about half the time he was on-air.) Ditto Clara and the kiss. What I though was most intriguing was Marco clearly eyeing Mateo the whole time. Now that was malicious! I'm curious to see, now that Clara seems to have ended their relationship, how deep Marco's feelings are vs. how much it had to do with stealing Mateo's "prize" or vengeance or some other uglier motive. I guess we'll find out more tonight/tomorrow (or in the days to come for the subtitle readers), but I'd love to hear thoughts on this. And how the fiancee back in Italy fits into the picture. FINALLY there's something that's bugged me since the very first season and I'm not sure if this is exactly the right place to talk about it but I figure why not give it a go. We all know that plot holes are kind of the Velvet writers' achilles heels, but can anyone explain to me the timeline of Ana and Alberto's first attempted escape to Paris/exile to London/return to Madrid? I know he's said things like "we're not 15 years old anymore," which made me think they were 15 when he was sent away. That would make sense also in terms of: 1. how the young (but not child) Ana/Alberto actors look; 2. the fact that Alberto's father had that much control over his life; 3. Mateo saying at Alberto's funeral that he was 13 when he met his "older brother"; 4. the tone of the letters (text on Antena 3 website, as well as snippets read on aloud during various episodes). He's in London for seven year. That would make him 22 when he comes back to Madrid. But in episode 6, Alberto turns 31, which makes sense based on the age of the actors, and the responsibilities they take on at Galerias Velvet too I suppose. So what happened to those missing 8 or 9 years? I mean, Alberto couldn't have been 22 when he was sent to London, right? He and Ana would have been adults already, that wouldn't make sense? But why wouldn't he have come back sooner, if he was so old? And/or gone so long? It's so confusing! Forget this newest, inexplicable four or five year absence, this to me has always been a mystery!! 1. As far as Alberto and Ana's age at the time of the escape to Paris possibly around 15 years old and the young actors looks like that age. 2. Yes, when you are 15 you are totally relaying on your parent financially and Rafael sent him away to London for schooling. 3. Alberto was older than Mateo, so at the time when they met Mateo is 13 and Alberto is 15. 4. Ana and Alberto didn't see each other till 7 years later so he was 22. 5. So Alberto celebrated within the same year after he came back to Madrid at 31 for birthday. You are right this is a big jump from 22 to 31, a big 9 year hole that was never explained by the script. Someone explained on the board that both Ana and Alberto were too old to play 22 so Alberto's birthday celebration was a signal to let the audience know he is now "31" year old, it is little clumsy but what can you do? 6. Yes the 5 year jump after Alberto left Velvet is nothing compare to the 9 year jump. Someone mentioned this is a drama and look at the big picture forget about the small thing. I do think when we love the show so much we think about it and go back watch the episodes again so the more we pay attention to it the more things don't make sense.
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Post by Christine on Nov 11, 2016 7:47:26 GMT -5
The Clara/Mateo discussion here is so passionate! Quite appropriate for their relationship. Did anyone else see the interview on the Antena 3 website where PE said we wouldn't find out what had happened on the dia maldita (damned/cursed day) (or whatever they were calling the day Clara and Mateo broke up)? I can't find that video on their website anymore, and now I don't remember/am not sure I paid enough attention to understand if she was talking just about that episode or if she meant in general. I thought we got a major clue about what happened at this end of this captiulo, when Clara said to Marco that she was fed up with being with someone who put work first instead of her. I thought that was a clear sign of what might have gone wrong with Mateo. I wish we knew if he worked at Velvet or at Ecos de la Sociedad... One part of me thinks they'll slowly be revealing this information, but another worries that PE meant this will never come out. We also know that: Clara is incapable of sharing a bathroom with another person (according to Mateo) and (according to JR on the Antena 3 website, at least) Mateo continues to be "tan canalla" (or what I'd translate in this context to be is as much a rogue or bastard). What we actually see is that he has surrounded himself at the magazine with plenty of (though not exclusively) young pretty women and blatantly flirts (though not in front of Clara). (p.s. Here's the link to that interview with JR: www.antena3.com/series/velvet/entrevistas/javier-rey-velvet-ha-cambiado-mucho-pero-mateo-sigue-siendo-tan-canalla_2016091457da39800cf251f2ac12388d.html)As far as Clara and the slap, I'm much more forgiving than the majority on this board seem to be. Mateo and Clara are both very guarded this season--it seems clear that they love each other, but neither wants to admit it for fear that the other doesn't reciprocate and they would be deeply hurt again. They're protecting themselves. But Clara opened herself up when she cried in Mateo's arms and then they agreed to the date, plus she's worried about Rita, so I think she's feeling particularly vulnerable. She took the message about the hotel suite and had plenty of time to stew on that before she saw Mateo again. I read all her actions as just boiling over as a result of this fear and pain and general sludge of confusing emotions--and while I definitely have never slapped a man, if you think about it Cristina and Ana have both slapped Alberto, Rita slapped Alfonso, I can't remember it specifically but I assume someone's slapped Enrique, etc. Not to step too far out of the Velvet world, it's a nice dramatic effect for tv. (Also, have you noticed how often the guys punch each other? Alberto seemed to have an artful cut across one of his eyebrows about half the time he was on-air.) Ditto Clara and the kiss. What I though was most intriguing was Marco clearly eyeing Mateo the whole time. Now that was malicious! I'm curious to see, now that Clara seems to have ended their relationship, how deep Marco's feelings are vs. how much it had to do with stealing Mateo's "prize" or vengeance or some other uglier motive. I guess we'll find out more tonight/tomorrow (or in the days to come for the subtitle readers), but I'd love to hear thoughts on this. And how the fiancee back in Italy fits into the picture. FINALLY there's something that's bugged me since the very first season and I'm not sure if this is exactly the right place to talk about it but I figure why not give it a go. We all know that plot holes are kind of the Velvet writers' achilles heels, but can anyone explain to me the timeline of Ana and Alberto's first attempted escape to Paris/exile to London/return to Madrid? I know he's said things like "we're not 15 years old anymore," which made me think they were 15 when he was sent away. That would make sense also in terms of: 1. how the young (but not child) Ana/Alberto actors look; 2. the fact that Alberto's father had that much control over his life; 3. Mateo saying at Alberto's funeral that he was 13 when he met his "older brother"; 4. the tone of the letters (text on Antena 3 website, as well as snippets read on aloud during various episodes). He's in London for seven year. That would make him 22 when he comes back to Madrid. But in episode 6, Alberto turns 31, which makes sense based on the age of the actors, and the responsibilities they take on at Galerias Velvet too I suppose. So what happened to those missing 8 or 9 years? I mean, Alberto couldn't have been 22 when he was sent to London, right? He and Ana would have been adults already, that wouldn't make sense? But why wouldn't he have come back sooner, if he was so old? And/or gone so long? It's so confusing! Forget this newest, inexplicable four or five year absence, this to me has always been a mystery!! 1. As far as Alberto and Ana's age at the time of the escape to Paris possibly around 15 years old and the young actors looks like that age. 2. Yes, when you are 15 you are totally relaying on your parent financially and Rafael sent him away to London for schooling. 3. Alberto was older than Mateo, so at the time when they met Mateo is 13 and Alberto is 15. 4. Ana and Alberto didn't see each other till 7 years later so he was 22. 5. So Alberto celebrated within the same year after he came back to Madrid at 31 for birthday. You are right this is a big jump from 22 to 31, a big 9 year hole that was never explained by the script. Someone explained on the board that both Ana and Alberto were too old to play 22 so Alberto's birthday celebration was a signal to let the audience know he is now "31" year old, it is little clumsy but what can you do? 6. Yes the 5 year jump after Alberto left Velvet is nothing compare to the 9 year jump. Someone mentioned this is a drama and look at the big picture forget about the small thing. I do think when we love the show so much we think about it and go back watch the episodes again so the more we pay attention to it the more things don't make sense. Bk I just saw your post under no circumstances and I mean no circumstances should a male hit a female or vice verse I noticed that hitting is a very common thing in this show I don't know if it was the thing to do back in those days but the writers shouldn't have included it in their writing. I don't hit my children why I gods name I would be hitting a adult 👋🏾😂
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Post by debmac on Nov 11, 2016 8:00:29 GMT -5
1. As far as Alberto and Ana's age at the time of the escape to Paris possibly around 15 years old and the young actors looks like that age. 2. Yes, when you are 15 you are totally relaying on your parent financially and Rafael sent him away to London for schooling. 3. Alberto was older than Mateo, so at the time when they met Mateo is 13 and Alberto is 15. 4. Ana and Alberto didn't see each other till 7 years later so he was 22. 5. So Alberto celebrated within the same year after he came back to Madrid at 31 for birthday. You are right this is a big jump from 22 to 31, a big 9 year hole that was never explained by the script. Someone explained on the board that both Ana and Alberto were too old to play 22 so Alberto's birthday celebration was a signal to let the audience know he is now "31" year old, it is little clumsy but what can you do? 6. Yes the 5 year jump after Alberto left Velvet is nothing compare to the 9 year jump. Someone mentioned this is a drama and look at the big picture forget about the small thing. I do think when we love the show so much we think about it and go back watch the episodes again so the more we pay attention to it the more things don't make sense. Bk I just saw your post under no circumstances and I mean no circumstances should a male hit a female or vice verse I noticed that hitting is a very common thing in this show I don't know if it was the thing to do back in those days but the writers shouldn't have included it in their writing. I don't hit my children why I gods name I would be hitting a adult 👋🏾😂 I think a woman slapping a man was common in those days because I remember seeing other old movies where that happened, but Clara does it excessively...lol
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Post by Grace on Nov 15, 2016 7:44:04 GMT -5
Does anyone know where i can watch el gran hotel free. They just removed it from Netflix and I was on season 2.
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