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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 1, 2016 14:17:25 GMT -5
Like some others, I wasn't as phased by how Ana's reaction was handled. I didn't think about it until others mentioned it here (in retrospect I agree). I was more surprised that they didn't pan to show Cristina's reaction as she realized her grand plan just got screwed by external forces at the very last minute (to her - they were about to get married after all, it was imminent without this info). I really wanted to see that it would have been priceless too! I will just dream about and imagine how she reacted and the expression on her face since they didn't show it. By the time she re-appeared she had time to process it all a bit.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 1, 2016 14:20:37 GMT -5
When Mateo begged to pass a message on she repeatedly said something like 'sorry I can't/won't help you'. She could have taken his info and passed it on to Alberto. Her elusiveness with regards to the task of being a messenger is mysterious and not quite explained/justified. The type of change of heart she had is one you usually see in spy movies, not in a romance/drama. Why did she not tell him upfront what she wrote him in the note, or if she didn't know what time he would be back say "Let me take your info and I'll let you know how to get in touch with him or have him contact you"? She had no problem talking to him in Spanish but as soon as he mentioned something that seemed really important/urgent for her boss she backed away and refused to get involved, there must be a reason for this. Unless it's just another plot hole that can be attributed to careless writing and gratuitous suspense. Alberto have sex sessions with women from the upper class of NY, many of them married. Silk is not Velvet. I don't see how those two things are related. He is running a known and well-regarded atelier, he is doing all that private stuff on the side, isn't it? It's circumstantial. He is not running a pimphouse for himself with her at the front of it. She was the receptionist for an actual legitimate business, Silk.
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Post by alfi on Dec 1, 2016 14:33:47 GMT -5
Yep, but if she doesn't know who Mateo is... what would happen if someone powerful knew what his wife was doing at night at Velvet... the scandal would be huge, and the consequences for Alberto maybe fatal. It's normal she is so distrusting at first.
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Post by alfi on Dec 1, 2016 14:47:05 GMT -5
In the Asian woman note: At 4 you will be able to find Don Alberto in his atelier, luck.
Alberto is not the same Alberto anymore, that was said by MAS. It's a difficult meeting, i wonder how they will handle it. It would be a disappointment if they omit that in the next episode and inform us with dialogue. But how the scene of Mateo entering in Silk, and how the call to Madrid, were done, i suppose that's going to be how they open the episode in two weeks, Mateo finding Alberto.
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Post by Lara on Dec 1, 2016 15:13:14 GMT -5
100% agree. I thought she was going to drive off and they were going to have to chase her to the church. Lol Then the strange cut away and she was sitting at the table. I always thought she would faint when hearing the news. We didn't even get to see Carlos's realization that Ana was not turning up at the wedding. In their confrontation I thought he might accidentally spill that he took the letters. It had to be traumatic for Jr. to see the wedding he wanted so badly not go through, but we didn't see him either. I was sort of thinking there might be a twist when Carlos came in and that she would decide to marry him anyway because of her anger towards Alberto. I was relieved when he left, though it would have made things more exciting. Another thing that I was surprised about was Cristina going to the wedding, especially after that confrontation with Ana. All for nothing anyway since we didn't see her reaction. I don't know why I was surprised at the reveal though because the show has a history of very poorly done, anti-climatic reveals. I thought both of Alberto/Cristina marriage/Ana reveals were very underwhelming. 2 seasons of a sham marriage for a 2 minute reveal, with no follow up on things that we are still talking about like what Cristina knew or didn't know. She never asked important questions of Alberto either etc.. It was all just swept under the rug quickly even though it was the premise of the show. I also thought another strange thing was Enrique not going to the hospital to see Patricia. Oddly enough, probably because I don't understand anything he was saying, I was feeling chemistry between Marco and Patricia and even Marco and Ana. 😳 I'm still baffled why they made a potentially interesting character such a one note villain whose storyline went nowhere. M.V.P. of the episode belongs to Clara. She was awesome! I also thought Carlos was going to accidentally spill about the letters in his desperation. *sigh* I wonder how they'll handle the reveal there, but not expecting much anymore, lol. Now that you mention it, it's so true how this show has very poorly done reveals. :/ Oh well. Along with Patricia, Marco is definitely one of the characters with enormously wasted potential. I also felt the chemistry between Marco and Patricia here, and it reminded me of how I had wished this was a pairing going into S4. They would've made an amazing power couple, imo. And I was relieved when Enrique didn't show up. Hopefully, this is Patricia's wake-up call. It was nice to see her actually feeling guilt, though only because they're on the verge of facing the consequences. :/ I agree about Clara being the episode's MVP. I just about died laughing when she ripped the wedding dress. I definitely thought something was going to happen to the dress, but I had guessed Rita & Pedro's twins would be the culprits - like, spilling something on it or whatever. Raul's reaction was priceless. They didn't do well when the show was simpler with reveals. They're even worse now since they turned this from a drama to a soap opera. They keep insisting on doing these elaborate scenarios which basically go nowhere, when a simple plot would suffice and probably be more believable and interesting. Did anyone really think she would marry Carlos? They didn't even make it to the church. They didn't need him for the Alberto story at all. It never fit from his perspective. On paper, he was more of a catch than Ana. I found it exhausting watching him beg her to marry him, tell him she loved him, get any sort of affection out of her. Why would he want to spend his life like this? On screen he didn't even seem to love her. Adele was another elaborate plot to only basically tell Cristina Alberto was alive. Again, there were 100 easier ways to make her find out and Adele ended up creating another huge plothole being sent by Alberto, apparently telling him nothing and never coming back! Cristina and Carlos should have been shaking in their boots from the time Adele left Velvet until now. Same with Pedro's plot and the whole thing about getting the shop.. build up, and then no sizzle just fizzle. I would have preferred seeing Ana live it up a little, guilt free since she thinks Alberto is dead, meet a new man that she starts to develop feelings for, but in her alone moments thinks back to the night she dumped Alberto with her big speech and realizes how it was all meaningless without him. It would have done at least 3 things.. 1. Liven her a bit 2. Actually make the viewer think twice that maybe, just maybe, she might pick the new man 3. Tie in Alberto with some flashbacks, especially things she regretted. If I was in Ana's place I would have a A LOT of guilt over how things unfolded in S3, that was never explored with Ana. I also think she could have been so fashion forward and daring with her designs, that that was where the conflict with Marco or even the usual Velvet customer arised instead of the pret-a-porter. It would have been more believable and cooler to watch because it would be more about fashion. It's the 60s but to me still looks like 50s. Cristina I don't understand either. Against all odds (and logic) she has a nice home, good job, reclaimed her status in Madrid society and has her daughter. Why she is doing what she is doing is a mystery. I know what they've told us and we buy it because of her history, but it does not compute to what is on screen this season. Now I wonder if Ana will ever find out that Mateo was fired because of her feature. I don't understand why Marco can't make Ana stay, he does still have those photos of Jonas and Pedro smashing the shop. He could've used that against Ana, but it was totally forgotten.
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Post by primusoars on Dec 1, 2016 16:17:52 GMT -5
Alberto have sex sessions with women from the upper class of NY, many of them married. Silk is not Velvet. I don't see how those two things are related. He is running a known and well-regarded atelier, he is doing all that private stuff on the side, isn't it? It's circumstantial. He is not running a pimphouse for himself with her at the front of it. She was the receptionist for an actual legitimate business, Silk. Why r we confuse the book with the series? Most of us don't give a hoot about the book. I haven't read anything concerning the book and I don't want to either. For most of the audiences in North America they follow the series on netflex they don't know anything about the book. So for argument seek "Silk" is a well-regarded atelier (like you said) why is she not helpful with Mateo? It is getting ridiculous to assume Alberto to be some sex fin running and a pimp. I agree with you tropikaldawl.
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Post by Lara on Dec 1, 2016 17:15:04 GMT -5
It seemed to me the Asian woman was a loyal employee to Alberto and also protective of him. It just feels like Alberto doesn't really want to be found. He's been pretty passive/aggressive about the whole thing between the letter with no return address and Adele. He puts it out there, but only so much, and then pulls back. Perhaps this will explain his lack of being more tenacious about all things Madrid. I believe the Asian woman checked with Alberto before she slipped Mateo the note and he knew Mateo was coming. That's why the missing scene, because Alberto was expecting him and wouldn't be shocked, though Mateo would be. I can't be sure without subs, but the Asian woman is not going to risk her position and be disloyal to Alberto to help Mateo. A spin-off about SILK and the Asian angle would actually be interesting, it seems very mysterious, but SILK itself was very drab.
Anybody catch the spelling on the taxi Mateo got out of... N.Y.C Taxy. 😂 That was a huge error to not catch.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 1, 2016 17:19:47 GMT -5
The didn't do well when the show was simpler with reveals. They're even worse now since they turned this from a drama to a soap opera. They keep insisting on doing these elaborate scenarios which basically go nowhere, when a simple plot would suffice and probably be more believable and interesting. Did anyone really think she would marry Carlos? They didn't even make it to the church. They didn't need him for the Alberto story at all. It never fit from his perspective. On paper, he was more of a catch than Ana. I found it exhausting watching him beg her to marry him, tell him she loved him, get any sort of affection out of her. Why would he want to spend his life like this? On screen he didn't even seem to love her. Adele was another elaborate plot to only basically tell Cristina Alberto was alive. Again, there were 100 easier ways to make her find out and Adele ended up creating another huge plothole being sent by Alberto, apparently telling him nothing and never coming back! Cristina and Carlos should have been shaking in their boots from the time Adele left Velvet until now. Same with Pedro's plot and the whole thing about getting the shop.. build up, and then no sizzle just fizzle. I would have preferred seeing Ana live it up a little, guilt free since she thinks Alberto is dead, meet a new man that she starts to develop feelings for, but in her alone moments thinks back to the night she dumped Alberto with her big speech and realizes how it was all meaningless without him. It would have done at least 3 things.. 1. Liven her a bit 2. Actually make the viewer think twice that maybe, just maybe, she might pick the new man 3. Tie in Alberto with some flashbacks, especially things she regretted. If I was in Ana's place I would have a A LOT of guilt over how things unfolded in S3, that was never explored with Ana. I also think she could have been so fashion forward and daring with her designs, that that was where the conflict with Marco or even the usual Velvet customer arised instead of the pret-a-porter. It would have been more believable and cooler to watch because it would be more about fashion. It's the 60s but to me still looks like 50s. Cristina I don't understand either. Against all odds (and logic) she has a nice home, good job, reclaimed her status in Madrid society and has her daughter. Why she is doing what she is doing is a mystery. I know what they've told us and we buy it because of her history, but it does not compute to what is on screen this season. Now I wonder if Ana will ever find out that Mateo was fired because of her feature. I don't understand why Marco can't make Ana stay, he does still have those photos of Jonas and Pedro smashing the shop. He could've used that against Ana, but it was totally forgotten. You bring up a lot of great points and ways the plot could have been explored and characters could have been developed. Regarding Ana...She was envious of Alberto having lived and met many women while she just stayed at Velvet waiting for him, they could have explored her having multiple meaningless relationships or even meeting someone really really exciting who made the decision really hard once Alberto re-emerged. But like all fans, I want them to end up together. So regardless of whether the journey was good, I know I will excuse it once we get to the destination What I do find interesting is that Ana and Alberto haven't actually spent that much time as a couple in their adult life together. We didn't see their love develop as teenagers/kids as we saw it develop in Gran Hotel with Alicia and Julio. We were just supposed to take it for granted that Ana and Alberto love each other. They have since experienced more painful moments than happy moments with regards to their relationship. Yet they can't get past each other and are still meant for each other. Luckily this is fiction because they will [without question] still be compatible with each other regardless of their individual evolution, class differences, etc and they still want to be with each other after all the years apart and everything they've been through (including the hurtful decisions taken at times to not be with each other).
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Post by northboundtrain on Dec 1, 2016 17:57:31 GMT -5
I've calmed down considerably since yesterday, LOL. While I still believe there were better ways to edit/frame/write the dialogue for much of the reveal stuff yesterday, I'm willing to wait and see how things are handled in the next episode. Why r we confuse the book with the series? Most of us don't give a hoot about the book. I haven't read anything concerning the book and I don't want to either. For most of the audiences in North America they follow the series on netflex they don't know anything about the book. So for argument seek "Silk" is a well-regarded atelier (like you said) why is she not helpful with Mateo? It is getting ridiculous to assume Alberto to be some sex fin running and a pimp. I agree with you tropikaldawl. Well, it's still possible that the subject matter from the book -- namely, Alberto as a mysterious sex god who sleeps with every rich woman he can -- will be raised when we finally see Alberto/Mateo talk next episode. And, while it's true that audiences in North America won't have read the book, the Velvet producers seem to be expecting that Spanish audiences will at least have heard about the subject matter...that's why when the show airs in Spain they run all those commercials where Marta Hazas hawks the book. Whether it's related to the book or not, I didn't have a problem with the receptionist refusing to give Mateo information. Even if they don't introduce the sex stuff, it could be as Lara suggests that the receptionist is just protective of Alberto. I also thought another strange thing was Enrique not going to the hospital to see Patricia. I shouldn't get my hopes up about this, but maybe we're supposed to take it as a sign that their relationship is actually over this time. The show had no trouble stressing Patricia alone, sad, in a dark room, visited only by Marco, who has ulterior motives. The fact that Enrique didn't visit was made that much more glaring. Maybe symbolic of the idea that she's on her own now. Either that, or the scene was cut for time. And I was relieved when Enrique didn't show up. Hopefully, this is Patricia's wake-up call. It was nice to see her actually feeling guilt, though only because they're on the verge of facing the consequences. :/ Agreed. I would like to believe that this is going to cause a change in her. Please when will episode 9 be uploaded with English sub?I am really dying to watch it with English subtitles to understand it more.Thanks. I know VV is working on it. It just takes awhile to get the subtitles synced to the video. Keep checking the board's twitter account, as it will be announced there when it's up: twitter.com/fyeahvelvetGH
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Post by Lara on Dec 1, 2016 18:03:19 GMT -5
The didn't do well when the show was simpler with reveals. They're even worse now since they turned this from a drama to a soap opera. They keep insisting on doing these elaborate scenarios which basically go nowhere, when a simple plot would suffice and probably be more believable and interesting. Did anyone really think she would marry Carlos? They didn't even make it to the church. They didn't need him for the Alberto story at all. It never fit from his perspective. On paper, he was more of a catch than Ana. I found it exhausting watching him beg her to marry him, tell him she loved him, get any sort of affection out of her. Why would he want to spend his life like this? On screen he didn't even seem to love her. Adele was another elaborate plot to only basically tell Cristina Alberto was alive. Again, there were 100 easier ways to make her find out and Adele ended up creating another huge plothole being sent by Alberto, apparently telling him nothing and never coming back! Cristina and Carlos should have been shaking in their boots from the time Adele left Velvet until now. Same with Pedro's plot and the whole thing about getting the shop.. build up, and then no sizzle just fizzle. I would have preferred seeing Ana live it up a little, guilt free since she thinks Alberto is dead, meet a new man that she starts to develop feelings for, but in her alone moments thinks back to the night she dumped Alberto with her big speech and realizes how it was all meaningless without him. It would have done at least 3 things.. 1. Liven her a bit 2. Actually make the viewer think twice that maybe, just maybe, she might pick the new man 3. Tie in Alberto with some flashbacks, especially things she regretted. If I was in Ana's place I would have a A LOT of guilt over how things unfolded in S3, that was never explored with Ana. I also think she could have been so fashion forward and daring with her designs, that that was where the conflict with Marco or even the usual Velvet customer arised instead of the pret-a-porter. It would have been more believable and cooler to watch because it would be more about fashion. It's the 60s but to me still looks like 50s. Cristina I don't understand either. Against all odds (and logic) she has a nice home, good job, reclaimed her status in Madrid society and has her daughter. Why she is doing what she is doing is a mystery. I know what they've told us and we buy it because of her history, but it does not compute to what is on screen this season. Now I wonder if Ana will ever find out that Mateo was fired because of her feature. I don't understand why Marco can't make Ana stay, he does still have those photos of Jonas and Pedro smashing the shop. He could've used that against Ana, but it was totally forgotten. You bring up a lot of great points and ways the plot could have been explored and characters could have been developed. Regarding Ana...She was envious of Alberto having lived and met many women while she just stayed at Velvet waiting for him, they could have explored her having multiple meaningless relationships or even meeting someone really really exciting who made the decision really hard once Alberto re-emerged. But like all fans, I want them to end up together. So regardless of whether the journey was good, I know I will excuse it once we get to the destination What I do find interesting is that Ana and Alberto haven't actually spent that much time as a couple in their adult life together. We didn't see their love develop as teenagers/kids as we saw it develop in Gran Hotel with Alicia and Julio. We were just supposed to take it for granted that Ana and Alberto love each other. They have since experienced more painful moments than happy moments with regards to their relationship. Yet they can't get past each other and are still meant for each other. Luckily this is fiction because they will [without question] still be compatible with each other regardless of their individual evolution, class differences, etc and they still want to be with each other after all the years apart and everything they've been through (including the hurtful decisions taken at times to not be with each other). I think they could have better kept the feel of Velvet and developed the characters at the same time. Absolutely about Ana. I'm not saying she should be an all out slut, but some people and apparently the writers want her to stay this virginal, chaste woman in mourning for Alberto for life. However at the same time, she had Carlos by her side almost immediately and was willing to marry him. So she is so devoted to Alberto's memory that she can't have some hook-ups/new relationships, but she can marry a man Alberto hated and who she didn't love? It just seems backwards. People want Ana to stay the same as when we met her, I wanted her to really grow, but she seems even more lackluster than when we met her. She should be different... Where would any of us be if we were still our 15 yr old selves? Life has a way of changing things, maybe not the core of a person (that happens sometimes too), but circumstances. Ana had the opportunity to lead an exciting life of a designer, but she didn't end up doing any of the things she said sh wanted. A little suspenseful romance would have been great and of course in the end she chooses Alberto. It was the perfect opportunity to explore the character of Ana minus Alberto and she could do whatever she wanted because, well, for all intents and purposes, Alberto is dead and gone. My uneasiness about her with another man was purely because it was Carlos, so I chose a revirginalized Ana over him, but anyone else I would have had no problem with. I really did feel some physical chemistry between her and Marco in some scenes, when they were at least cordial. Carlos looks like a little boy, whereas Marco looks like a man. Ana needed a man. Even if it wasn't Marco, some background guy would've been good enough. As for Marco's storyline, the fashion angle would have made more sense. I could never understand why he was so against the ready to wear in the first place. Changing the styles Velvet carries would have been more of a drastic change and might have been a bigger financial gamble. It would have made him less of a villain too. If you think about it, Alberto was only back in Ana's life for like 2-2.5 years tops. They've barely lived in the same zip code most of their adult lives. Yes, the destination will be good, but I will forever resent the rocky, swampy, ugly journey getting there. I always wanted to see A/A become a power couple, who worked and played together, the likes of which Cristina would fume about. She was always pissed because she viewed Ana as taking a place that belonged to her. Seeing Ana get what she always wanted would have knocked that smirk right off her face. northboundtrain- I feel more hopeful for you that Patricia and Enrique will be over by the end. However, all bets are off if the show returns in some form since they don't want to get rid of the Oteguis. For me, Patricia was completely destroyed with the Valentin storyline. Her guilt is only because the police are onto them.
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Post by Adrienne on Dec 1, 2016 18:16:07 GMT -5
I said something to my husband about having him in more episodes with smaller amounts of time and he reminded me that in the US actors are paid by the episode. Â I don't know if that is true for Spain as well, but it would explain why they wouldn't have him in just for a 5 second reveal at the end of an episode. Â Because of this I actually figured we wouldn't see him after he didn't show up in the first half of this episode. Â I was more let down by how anti-climactic the reveal was than anything else. Loved it when Marco wasn't able to seal the deal on selling Velvet because Ana had quit!! Would they not have to pay him for the episode anyways per that logic since they include him in the previews for the next episode? I wouldn't think the previews wouldn't count. It's not part of the show, just advertising for the next episode.
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Post by alfi on Dec 1, 2016 18:42:42 GMT -5
People who watch the story for A/A are very upset now in facebook, they are on the brink of declaring war haha, they expected a climax situation in this episode but that was not going to happen, story wise Ana would not begin to jump of joy or anything like that, the news are really scary for her, she still doesn't know what Carlos did. Some of them are even accusing PE of being an awful actress, Jesucristo. I looked and payment in Spain is for day worked, and depending on different variables every actor can charge more or less money. But your husband brought on the table a really good point Adrianne, money. December is the month where TV companies make more money with advertisement, if they reserved Alberto/MAS for this month without losing viewers www.vanitatis.elconfidencial.com/television/audiencias/2016-12-01/audiencias-miercoles-30-record-velvet-supera-tres-puntos-voz_1298075/ and they did season record yesterday, that would be a real success, and they just did it.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Dec 1, 2016 18:44:00 GMT -5
Alberto have sex sessions with women from the upper class of NY, many of them married. Silk is not Velvet. I don't see how those two things are related. He is running a known and well-regarded atelier, he is doing all that private stuff on the side, isn't it? It's circumstantial. He is not running a pimphouse for himself with her at the front of it. She was the receptionist for an actual legitimate business, Silk. Alberto has worked damn hard to build Silk without any help..the business is A mighty success in NYC,where the high rollers spend their money.His sex sessions has nothing to do with this..he is a man,a drop dead gorgeous man!!!Of course women would be eating out of his palms..Even Adele when she realized that Alberto could never love her,she begged him,I repeat *to love her as a tramp*lol.All I am saying Alberto went away for five years..he evolved..He changed..but his love for Ana never changed..or waned.He continued to yearn and pine for her..for five damn years..He is a self made man with most sought atelier..all he needs is the love of his life and their son. Alberto's secretary was very professional in the way she handled Mateo..she looked very torn as Mateo explained,and she acted as one who was under strict instructions from her boss.I am thankful for her kind discretion to Mateo.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Dec 1, 2016 18:56:57 GMT -5
People who watch the story for A/A are very upset now in facebook, they are on the brink of declaring war haha, they expected a climax situation in this episode but that was not going to happen, story wise Ana would not begin to jump of joy or anything like that, the news are really scary for her, she still doesn't know what Carlos did. Some of them are even accusing PE of being an awful actress, Jesucristo. I looked and payment in Spain is for day worked, and depending on different variables every actor can charge more or less money. But your husband brought on the table a really good point Adrianne, money. December is the month where TV companies make more money with advertisement, if they reserved Alberto/MAS for this month without losing viewers www.vanitatis.elconfidencial.com/television/audiencias/2016-12-01/audiencias-miercoles-30-record-velvet-supera-tres-puntos-voz_1298075/ and they did season record yesterday, that would be a real success, and they just did it. What did they expect for Ana to roll on the ground for joy???Hell nawh!!!It must have been an out of body experience for her when she heard the news...she is in shock and until she lays eyes on Alberto..this news is like a dream come true.I am going to go further and speculate that the phone booth pic at NYC..is Alberto calling Ana telling her it's true I am alive..and I am coming home You and our son..my love.
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Post by shari on Dec 1, 2016 19:07:20 GMT -5
I wonder if they will open when Mateo and Alberto meet again in the next episode, they are going to want a big start of the episode, nothing better than that. That would be great if they did that Well, they do have a long plane ride back to Madrid. I think I read something once about how they have a lot to talk about on the way back. Let's hope.
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