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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 30, 2016 22:24:05 GMT -5
I think what happened at Silk...Mateo left his information at the desk for the secretary to pass it along to Alberto. .instead she had a change of heart and discreetly reached out to Mateo...by leaving the note at the door.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 30, 2016 22:40:41 GMT -5
I agree Hopeless romantic, I actually laughed out loud, long and hard, at Clara and Rita, and when Clara tore the dress the sudden raising of the head of Raul and Jonas was priceless!! OMG those two were absolutely hilarious. They really stepped up!! Love them.
Here's a few of my observations although I'm sure in english subtitles it will put alot in context for me, might even make it better!!!
I actually liked the episode for many reasons. Ana is finally coming into her own. She was fierce, not frightened, voiced her opinion with a lot of conviction (I think), towards both Marco, Enrique and Christina. She's got Marco and Enrique right where she wants them. She was preoccupied with the wedding no doubt otherwise I think she would have said more to Christina about her actual involvement in the wedding. I think she was going to when Christina showed up to escort her to the waiting car, but you could see she clearly changed her mind. Ana will never rise to the level Christina is at because Ana has always been a lady. She's always too polite for her own good. No one could rise to Christina's level of manipulation and outright conniving. I'm sure if I met a Christina I would doubt whether anyone could be that mean.
I did find it strange how cold and sparse Alberto's SILK is. I supect it has alot to do with budget restrictions, but the place was somber and dark. No personality at all, at least not the personality of the Alberto we once knew. I agree also, there seems to be some hesitation on Alberto's side of things to actually get together with Mateo or to let anyone see him. Why is he so protected? If I hadn't of seen the preview for next episode with him finally in it, I might have assumed he's disabled or something or badly disfigured from an accident in his travels. That just doesn't make sense. It can't be just because he may be married. That wouldn't stop him from seeing Mateo.
I really didn't react one way or the other to Ana's reaction. I was just so relieved that Rita and Clara finally were able to tell her before she left. I think the fact that we saw a complete melt down of Carlos and Christina was enough for me, although I didn't know what was said, but they weren't happy and quite frankly that's all I ever cared about. Even later when Carlos had a meeting with Ana, he looked really upset. I didn't like that Ana raced after him, but I guess that's the lady in her and she cares for him otherwise she wouldn't have agreed to marry him as much as we might hate the idea. The Christina and Ana confrontation was hard to read except that from what I gathered from other responses on this blog, Christina went for the throat. But hey, that's Christina! She's gonna feel a loss of control at this moment. Yes I agree with Alfi, Christina, not so sure about Carlos, but definitly Christina will try to discredit Alberto for Ana. I don't know whether Ana will listen to her after all that's been said and frankly, Alberto returns next episode so unless it's right at the end of the episode, maybe Christina won't have much chance unless she blocks her and inists she listen to her. But how can Ana accept anything she says, really. Unless something seriously happens this is the beginning of the end for Christina and Carlos and the beginning of Alberto and Ana.
I thought it was very touching when Ana put on Jonah's dress, (kudos to Jonah!!) as she stood before the mirror, you could tell she was wishing it was Alberto she was marrying. Regretting that it was Carlos she was walking down the isle with. Deep down I don't think Ana ever wanted to marry Carlos but he was so insistent and she just grew tired and accepted. Sad.
I'm gathering that the reason Enrique never showed up because I think he's seeking a lawyer because it looked like Patricia felt she needed to come clean. I wonder if Marco knowing that it was Enrique's baby will blackmail Enrique to sell his shares in the company? MAybe Marco will forgoe the idea of selling now that Ana has quit, although will it ever be a success without her? Good episode. Can't wait for the next one.
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Post by ohwhynot85 on Dec 1, 2016 0:04:41 GMT -5
Why was the Asian receptionist (?) at Silk so unwilling to help Mateo in person? (Even when Mateo said Ana the love of his life was getting married the next day thinking he was deceased.) She was so stand-off-ish... Then she came to drop a letter anonymously telling him when he can meet him. I didn't understand why she was being so 'mysterious'. Would be crazy if Adele re-appears in some way, but I wouldn't count on it with all the blatant plot holes. Quoting myself, I think they just confirmed that Adele is going to make another appearance after all!!! Â Unless they said last season and not last episode. I don't think she will make another appearance. She's only listed for 3 episodes on her IMDb. The first 3. |
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Post by primusoars on Dec 1, 2016 0:15:38 GMT -5
I think it makes sense because the big climax of the show is going to be when they meet again, in the next episode Cristina and Carlos are going to try to separate them. I totally get that the real big moment is when they see each other again, but that's robbed of much of the power it might have had because she already knows he's alive. That's what I don't understand...if they knew they were going to have MAS for a limited time, why not just delay Ana finding out until they moment they can get them back on screen again? And cutting away from Mateo...I just don't get that at all. JR is a fantastic actor. I feel like this robbed him of some powerful material. What did he say to Alberto? What did Alberto say to him? I don't know, alfi...you know that I've defended the show A LOT on here...but I can't defend this. Either things weren't planned out as well as they should have been, and some logistical problem came up that they couldn't solve, or the writers genuinely thought this would be more powerful. If it's the latter, this is a time that I cannot agree, either on the Mateo account or the Ana account. If someone is going to say one more time that the show 's story planning "makes sense " I am going to scream on top of my lung " no it doesn't" and some swearing words follow! I think it is horrible not to have the audience see the 1st second when Mateo and Alberto meet, it rob of us to see 2 fantastic actors do the most important performance in the whole season. Is that make sense? When the Asian woman in Silk not allowing Mateo to see Alberto or give Mateo any more information than she did? Why? is Alberto working for the CIA? Is that make sense? Why the Asian woman decide to drop off the note for Mateo and disappear after she knocked on his hotel door. Is the name of this movie "nightmare at elm street". Is that make sense? Why is necessary for Cristina to come around to ask Ana " is she ok"? After all the shit she did to Ana she has the guts to come around to face Ana? Is that make sense? Raul is involved in Jonas's project while Patricia/Enrique under investigation for murder and Ana resign from Velvet, and Patricia had miscarriage. Usually Raul has the pulse of the place and he is very sensitive to everyone. Why wouldn't he knew all this is happening in the store. Is that makes sense? I can come up more but why waste time ! |
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Post by Krys on Dec 1, 2016 1:18:22 GMT -5
100% agree. I thought she was going to drive off and they were going to have to chase her to the church. Lol Then the strange cut away and she was sitting at the table. I always thought she would faint when hearing the news. We didn't even get to see Carlos's realization that Ana was not turning up at the wedding. In their confrontation I thought he might accidentally spill that he took the letters. It had to be traumatic for Jr. to see the wedding he wanted so badly not go through, but we didn't see him either. I was sort of thinking there might be a twist when Carlos came in and that she would decide to marry him anyway because of her anger towards Alberto. I was relieved when he left, though it would have made things more exciting. Another thing that I was surprised about was Cristina going to the wedding, especially after that confrontation with Ana. All for nothing anyway since we didn't see her reaction. I don't know why I was surprised at the reveal though because the show has a history of very poorly done, anti-climatic reveals. I thought both of Alberto/Cristina marriage/Ana reveals were very underwhelming. 2 seasons of a sham marriage for a 2 minute reveal, with no follow up on things that we are still talking about like what Cristina knew or didn't know. She never asked important questions of Alberto either etc.. It was all just swept under the rug quickly even though it was the premise of the show. I also thought another strange thing was Enrique not going to the hospital to see Patricia. Oddly enough, probably because I don't understand anything he was saying, I was feeling chemistry between Marco and Patricia and even Marco and Ana. 😳 I'm still baffled why they made a potentially interesting character such a one note villain whose storyline went nowhere. M.V.P. of the episode belongs to Clara. She was awesome! I also thought Carlos was going to accidentally spill about the letters in his desperation. *sigh* I wonder how they'll handle the reveal there, but not expecting much anymore, lol. Now that you mention it, it's so true how this show has very poorly done reveals. :/ Oh well. Along with Patricia, Marco is definitely one of the characters with enormously wasted potential. I also felt the chemistry between Marco and Patricia here, and it reminded me of how I had wished this was a pairing going into S4. They would've made an amazing power couple, imo. And I was relieved when Enrique didn't show up. Hopefully, this is Patricia's wake-up call. It was nice to see her actually feeling guilt, though only because they're on the verge of facing the consequences. :/ I agree about Clara being the episode's MVP. I just about died laughing when she ripped the wedding dress. I definitely thought something was going to happen to the dress, but I had guessed Rita & Pedro's twins would be the culprits - like, spilling something on it or whatever. Raul's reaction was priceless. |
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 1, 2016 1:37:29 GMT -5
Quoting myself, I think they just confirmed that Adele is going to make another appearance after all!!! Â Unless they said last season and not last episode. I don't think she will make another appearance. She's only listed for 3 episodes on her IMDb. The first 3. ya ignore what I said, I will edit it. I misunderstood something they said on the Hasta Siempre segment right after the show, they meant this last season not last episode. |
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Post by alfi on Dec 1, 2016 11:21:51 GMT -5
If someone is going to say one more time that the show 's story planning "makes sense " I am going to scream on top of my lung " no it doesn't" and some swearing words follow! I think it is horrible not to have the audience see the 1st second when Mateo and Alberto meet, it rob of us to see 2 fantastic actors do the most important performance in the whole season. Is that make sense? Yep, if you are the producer/creator, the month of December is when companies make more money with adverts, Alberto and Mateo meeting is obviously something viewers want to watch, and they are stacking the last 2 episodes, that's why they don't use Alberto before i suppose. Episode 10 is also going to be when Ana and Alberto meets again, that's going to be the cliffhanger and story for the last episode, how they react after being together again after so much time separated. She tells Mateo that Silk is only for women, and that Alberto Marquez only works at night. Why do you assume that the asian woman knows who Mateo is? you didn't... but anyway i already answered why. She doesn't know if Mateo is in his room? It's for build-up for the meeting with Alberto, and you are so into it, expecting that meeting, that the fact they didn't show the scene is bugging you a lot. So you are going to watch the 10th episode for sure. You will understand why once it's translated, but she enjoyed seeing Ana suffering like she did because Alberto may not love her, that's implied by Cristina words, in her mind Ana is experimenting what she felt when Alberto told her that he didn't love her. He was not in Velvet. He went to Paris and he came back just for the wedding. Why don't you wait for the subbed episode? It's quite clear that watching without understanding Spanish is taking a toll for you. |
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Post by alfi on Dec 1, 2016 11:28:22 GMT -5
BTW, next week 6 and 8 of December, Tuesday and Thursday are festive days in Spain, so many people will leave the cities and go to a small vacation disconnecting from everything, that's why Velvet is not going to be aired.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Dec 1, 2016 11:36:42 GMT -5
I don't think she will make another appearance. She's only listed for 3 episodes on her IMDb. The first 3. ya ignore what I said, I will edit it. I misunderstood something they said on the Hasta Siempre segment right after the show, they meant this last season not last episode. But if Adele were married to Alberto she would've told Cristina. .but instead she implied that ALberto was just her boss...so how she fits in future storylines..unless buisness wise. |
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Post by hopelessromantic on Dec 1, 2016 11:41:40 GMT -5
Silk does lack warmth..and looks empty. .but just like in the book from Adele perspective. .Alberto works at night when he fits and have sex with his high end female clients.He keeps his clients at bay and minimizes interaction with them during the day...silk just connotes Alberto's dark personality. ..though its a successful business.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Dec 1, 2016 13:02:05 GMT -5
Please when will episode 9 be uploaded with English sub?I am really dying to watch it with English subtitles to understand it more.Thanks.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 1, 2016 13:53:25 GMT -5
When the Asian woman in Silk not allowing Mateo to see Alberto or give Mateo any more information than she did? Why? is Alberto working for the CIA? Is that make sense?She tells Mateo that Silk is only for women, and that Alberto Marquez only works at night. Why do you assume that the asian woman knows who Mateo is? you didn't... but anyway i already answered why. She doesn't know if Mateo is in his room? It's for build-up for the meeting with Alberto, and you are so into it, expecting that meeting, that the fact they didn't show the scene is bugging you a lot. So you are going to watch the 10th episode for sure. There is definitely more to this. When Mateo begged to pass a message on she repeatedly said something like 'sorry I can't/won't help you'. She could have taken his info and passed it on to Alberto. Her elusiveness with regards to the task of being a messenger is mysterious and not quite explained/justified. The type of change of heart she had is one you usually see in spy movies, not in a romance/drama. Why did she not tell him upfront what she wrote him in the note, or if she didn't know what time he would be back say "Let me take your info and I'll let you know how to get in touch with him or have him contact you"? She had no problem talking to him in Spanish but as soon as he mentioned something that seemed really important/urgent for her boss she backed away and refused to get involved, there must be a reason for this. Unless it's just another plot hole that can be attributed to careless writing and gratuitous suspense. |
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 1, 2016 13:58:14 GMT -5
Along with Patricia, Marco is definitely one of the characters with enormously wasted potential. I also felt the chemistry between Marco and Patricia here, and it reminded me of how I had wished this was a pairing going into S4. They would've made an amazing power couple, imo. And I was relieved when Enrique didn't show up. Hopefully, this is Patricia's wake-up call. It was nice to see her actually feeling guilt, though only because they're on the verge of facing the consequences. :/ I was feeling similarly about Marco and Cristina. Their looks of 'hey-we're on the same page, I dig the way you think' I could totally see chemistry between them when they grinned. Forget Cristina and Carlos. But of course Marco has his own baggage from back home. |
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Post by tropikaldawl on Dec 1, 2016 14:07:04 GMT -5
Oh my gosh, that totally didn't go down like I expected. Although I knew she'd never marry Carlos. I'm glad Ana at least caught onto Cristina and her true colors came flying out. I don't even think Cristina was ever insane, just always an evil narcissist. S3 was just stupid, this season totally keeps in line with her from the first 2. she knows exactly what she is doing and she is terrorizing Ana. I am surprised we didnt see more of a reaction from her when it all came out. The most disappinting thing, we didnt see Mateo and Alberto reunite, not even a glimpse of Alberto. I dont even think he'll have a big sit down with Mateo and my concern is that we will barely see him next week, except for a few scenes and the reunion will be a cliffhanger. He might seriously be in little more than 1 episode. They seriously need to do a S5 to make this bullcrap of a season up to us!! I said something to my husband about having him in more episodes with smaller amounts of time and he reminded me that in the US actors are paid by the episode. I don't know if that is true for Spain as well, but it would explain why they wouldn't have him in just for a 5 second reveal at the end of an episode. Because of this I actually figured we wouldn't see him after he didn't show up in the first half of this episode. I was more let down by how anti-climactic the reveal was than anything else. Loved it when Marco wasn't able to seal the deal on selling Velvet because Ana had quit!! Would they not have to pay him for the episode anyways per that logic since they include him in the previews for the next episode? |
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Post by alfi on Dec 1, 2016 14:12:36 GMT -5
When Mateo begged to pass a message on she repeatedly said something like 'sorry I can't/won't help you'. She could have taken his info and passed it on to Alberto. Her elusiveness with regards to the task of being a messenger is mysterious and not quite explained/justified. The type of change of heart she had is one you usually see in spy movies, not in a romance/drama. Why did she not tell him upfront what she wrote him in the note, or if she didn't know what time he would be back say "Let me take your info and I'll let you know how to get in touch with him or have him contact you"? She had no problem talking to him in Spanish but as soon as he mentioned something that seemed really important/urgent for her boss she backed away and refused to get involved, there must be a reason for this. Unless it's just another plot hole that can be attributed to careless writing and gratuitous suspense. Alberto have sex sessions with women from the upper class of NY, many of them married. Silk is not Velvet. |
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