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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 8, 2016 18:29:00 GMT -5
Re: Ana/Mateo, I agree with alfi and loveloulabel...I think they work really well as friends, and PE and JR have great chemistry, but I can't see them in a romantic pairing. First because one of the reasons their friendship works so well is because of the Alberto-factor, and also because I think if they were in a relationship they'd drive each other nuts. (And not in the way Mateo likes to be driven nuts by Clara, LOL.) I watched the first part with subs. I just don't get it!!!!! Why is no one questioning Ana about her lack of love for Carlos? They talk about moving on and she's still in love with Alberto, but why do they never ask if she is actually in love with Carlos? She obviously sees him as a glorified friend, so is it him or no one else? It makes no sense at all. She takes the first guy that comes along after Alberto 'dies',for the sake of moving on😡 My take on Ana is that she simply isn't interested in moving on and finding another epic love like Alberto. Carlos is, as far as she can see, a decent guy who loves her and loves her son...plus, he's not intimidated by her success (as many men might have been during that time period). Basically, he's convenient. What she (and her family and friends) are asking is, at this point in her life, is it "convenience" she wants, or does she want to go out there and chase the possibility of finding someone she loved as much as Alberto, which I don't think she thinks is likely -- hell, she may subconsciously be SCARED of going out there and finding someone she loves like she loved Alberto, both because that would be a "betrayal" of him, and also because it would mean risking her heart. I think, bottom line, is that Emilio, Mateo, Rita, and everyone, are only going to suggest what they think would genuinely make Ana happy. That's what they want for her. But she needs to figure out for herself what that is. Emilio bringing up the fact that maybe he was wrong about keeping Alberto and Ana apart all those years, and alluding that this is the same for Little Christina and Alberto Jr. seems a little farfetched. Not the same at all. Yes it's just too kids wanting to play together but Ana has real concerns about having anything to do with Christina and her family. It's true that there's bad history between Ana/Crisina that didn't exist between Rafael/Gloria and Emilio, but Emilio clearly thinks Cristina has changed. We know he's not right about that, but he has no way of knowing that it's fine. Plus...there may be the matter of wanting to spoil Alberto, Jr. It seems like that kid gets quite a lot of what he wants, and he's got Emilio and Ana wrapped around his finger. Emilio probably sees Alberto, Jr. wanting to hang out with Cris and he doesn't want to deny him that. What bugs me the most is that they are reusing storylines, but they did it better the first time. It was a huge issue that Alberto wasn't marrying for love, now it's like no biggie. The circumstances are different, though... 1. Alberto was in love with Ana and most of the people giving him advice knew it. 2. Alberto would have been tricking a woman into believing he loved her when he really just wanted her money. Both of those things made Alberto's situation trickier than Ana's. Alberto was throwing away happiness -- Ana doesn't see that she has "happiness" to throw away. And Carlos' eyes are open whereas Cristina's weren't. I can completely understand Ana on why she accepted the marriage proposal from Carlos. Yes, she doesn't love him. But he has been there taking care of Alberto Jr. all this time. We know that Carlos is keeping all those letters from her but she doesn't. She doesn't know that Carlos is using her son just to make her say yes and marry him. You have to think as Ana to understand her. She will never love no one the same way she loved Alberto. And she thinks he's dead and never coming back. Now, everything is against her this season. Marco, Enrique and now what Pedro has done. I can completely understand why she would want someone to make her feel safe and protected, someone she can trust. Her uncle is getting old, Rita has her own problems and family. Her son loves Carlos who has become a father figure for Alberto Jr. And besides, we are talking about a single mother in the 60s. I don't know much about Spanish culture but I assume it was a highly religious country back then. Yes, she is successful and rich but she is still a woman. These are very good points. (Are you new to the board? There are so many new posters lately, I can't remember who I've welcomed, but if I haven't welcomed you yet, welcome to the board!)
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Post by debmac on Nov 8, 2016 19:08:35 GMT -5
I don't know if I would say that Carlos takes care of Alberto Junior or Ana. She has been pretty independent financially and she does not rely on Carlos for anything. She was pressured into giving him an answer to his proposal because Carlos manipulated Alberto Jr. in order to get Ana to agree. Now she probably does not want to let her son down. Alberto Jr. Is her life and she wants him to be happy, so if it means he would be happy with Carlos as his stepfather then I think she would make that sacrifice of marrying Carlose although she does not love him.
I think their relationship from her perspective is more companionship. The reason she has not dated anyone else is because she does not have time. Her career and son keeps her busy. She barely has time for Carlos and her friends. That is why I think their relationship has not progressed over the years.
Alberto is the only man she has ever loved and having his child is a reminder of that love. I think Ana would be okay being single for the rest of her life.
Ana is always thinking about other people's feelings and it could be that she does not want to hurt Carlos' feelings because he has consistently been there for her.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 19:10:04 GMT -5
It's important to remark that Carlos needed Cristina intervention in order to succeed with the marriage proposal. Ana would have never say yes to Carlos if Cristina wouldn't have advised him. Cristina understands Ana very well, she knows that Ana is not going to love anyone, not only because Alberto was so big in her life, also because the whole love story and show would have not sense at all if Ana fell in love with another guy. What would you do then? who does she dump? Could you imagine how different would be the conversations here? team Alberto and team Mateo? ay pobriña mi Clarita, la otra. They are building a big big end that is going to satisfy many, this is about thinking in the future instead of the present
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Post by debmac on Nov 8, 2016 19:19:36 GMT -5
It's important to remark that Carlos needed Cristina intervention in order to succeed with the marriage proposal. Ana would have never say yes to Carlos if Cristina wouldn't have advised him. Cristina understands Ana very well, she knows that Ana is not going to love anyone, not only because Alberto was so big in her life, also because the whole love story and show would have not sense at all if Ana fell in love with another guy. What would you do then? who does she dump? Could you imagine how different would be the conversations here? team Alberto and team Mateo? ay pobriña mi Clarita, la otra. They are building a big big end that is going to satisfy many, this is about thinking in the future instead of the present Exactly, Alfi. A lot of us on this thread are getting frustrated (except me...lol) and not looking at the big picture, that there will be a happy ending. The show is being played out the way it is because of MAS scheduling during filming. The writers are building the anticipation. I understand the frustration though but the fact that MAS schedule could not permit him to be there as much as the fans would like, is totally out of the production company's control. So we just have to exercise patients and enjoy the few episodes we have left, annoying as it may be. I am just looking forward to Alberto's return, but I love the anticipation😉
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Post by primusoars on Nov 8, 2016 21:25:00 GMT -5
Moreover one of the most despicable things a man can do is stealing the woman of a friend, and Alberto is still alive, Mateo is not going to New York and tell him that he fell in love with Ana, what is going to tell him then: hey you coward dumbass, why don't you stay dead because i want Ana to... ehem? that's not going to happen. Mateo is going to go to New York and tell Alberto that Ana is going to make the biggest error of her life because she is going to marry another man that she doesn't love, that she still loves Alberto, and that she was pregnant when he left and he is now father of a handsome and smart kid. Alberto is going to burn Madrid. And if Mateo is not in love with Clara, the fact that she is with Marco would not bother him one bit, it's more, he would be happy because he dodged a bullet. But we also know that Clara is deeply in love with Mateo as well, she thinks that Mateo was unfaithful, true or not, that's why they probably broke up and why she was too quick to assume that Mateo is still a Don Juan, a spanish literature character who can't live without flirting and seducing many women. Don Emilio is now a lovely grandfather, who is not going to decide for Ana, a mature woman, what to do with her life, he is going to support her in everything. Cristina is inviting Junior to a birthday party, something that is very innocent. They only know that Cristina is a recovered woman and she wants to make amends... why are not going to give her a new opportunity? They are still the good guys, Cristina though knows how to manipulate Ana good nature behaviour. Rita thinks she is going to die, and again, it's just a birthday party, she doesn't like the idea of Ana marrying Carlos one bit though, but that's in part 2 of the chapter, the fact that she thinks she is going to die soon is going to condition what she tells Ana after hearing Ana reasons (almost excuses) to marry Carlos. Alfi as far as Mateo and Ana is concern they think Alberto is dead. The only people knew he is not is us and the writers. We were just try to say may be the writer should use this storyline rather than using the overused storyline of Cristina and Carlos. The writers are playing it save afraid to venture into new and challenge territory, on top of that they are favoriting MV and giving her much more screen time that anyone else, as an audience I am tire of her role and tire of her story, give a rest try something different. Inviting Alberto Jr to a BD party in itself is not a problem but this is not any party hosting by any kids parent, it is by a woman trying to kill her and destroy her unborn infant! Are you not remember how crazy she is! Alberto Jr is Ana's most important treasure in her life without Alberto. She should not take any chances with Cristina. In any culture using kids as baits is not acceptable and is much more despicable than fall in love with your deceased friend's "love of life".
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Post by ohwhynot85 on Nov 8, 2016 22:25:26 GMT -5
Can we expect part 2 soon?
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Post by Admin on Nov 8, 2016 23:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by loveloulabel on Nov 8, 2016 23:18:27 GMT -5
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Post by carlucc on Nov 8, 2016 23:57:10 GMT -5
Thank you again VV and your assistants for the subs. Well I think Pedro has redeemed his silliness. My heart broke over his torment. AL played that scene so well that I cried. Enrique is as crazy as his sister...he was so cold-hearted in using Pedro that way and Marco is just as bad. Don Emilio has to think that something is up with Carlos when he saw him at the party. And Ana should have gotten upset with Carlos or stopped him when he asked Alberto if he wanted them to marry. She should have insisted on talking to her son alone first. I hope she gets cold feet. Alberto....hurry up and send the magazine already!!!
Apart from wanting Ana and Alberto finally to be free to be together with their son I hope all those upper class evil people (Cristina, Carlos, Enrique, and Marco) get theirs in the end by the people they looked down on.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 9, 2016 6:50:30 GMT -5
There should be a "like" button for the comments! I agree with the previous comment, Petro was so believable in his agony. It was symbolic him handing Rita money with blood on it as in "blood money". I hate Enrique, I really do. He's always been a dispicable character. I want to smack him everytime he puts his hands on his hips and takes that smug stance of his. Patrcia is as evil as he is because I know now what their planning. Shameful! I hope she comes to her senses but I have a feeling that may not be.
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Post by Christine on Nov 9, 2016 8:55:31 GMT -5
Thank you again VV and your assistants for the subs. Well I think Pedro has redeemed his silliness. My heart broke over his torment. AL played that scene so well that I cried. Enrique is as crazy as his sister...he was so cold-hearted in using Pedro that way and Marco is just as bad. Don Emilio has to think that something is up with Carlos when he saw him at the party. And Ana should have gotten upset with Carlos or stopped him when he asked Alberto if he wanted them to marry. She should have insisted on talking to her son alone first. I hope she gets cold feet. Alberto....hurry up and send the magazine already!!! Apart from wanting Ana and Alberto finally to be free to be together with their son I hope all those upper class evil people (Cristina, Carlos, Enrique, and Marco) get theirs in the end by the people they looked down on. Poor valentine because his elevator doesn't go all the way to the top they make him into a baboon here's a good guy that fell in love with Patricia he could be the best husband and father but because he is not a lier and a cheater is going to be kill and Ann and Alberto who deliberately sceem and cheated on Christina will in the end live happily ever after. Has the saying goes LIFE IS A BITICH AND THEN YOU DIE and so will poor Valentine 💀😩
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2016 9:10:34 GMT -5
Alfi as far as Mateo and Ana is concern they think Alberto is dead. The only people knew he is not is us and the writers. We were just try to say may be the writer should use this storyline rather than using the overused storyline of Cristina and Carlos. The writers are playing it save afraid to venture into new and challenge territory, on top of that they are favoriting MV and giving her much more screen time that anyone else, as an audience I am tire of her role and tire of her story, give a rest try something different. Inviting Alberto Jr to a BD party in itself is not a problem but this is not any party hosting by any kids parent, it is by a woman trying to kill her and destroy her unborn infant! Are you not remember how crazy she is! Alberto Jr is Ana's most important treasure in her life without Alberto. She should not take any chances with Cristina. In any culture using kids as baits is not acceptable and is much more despicable than fall in love with your deceased friend's "love of life". I understand that you dislike MV and you don't like her on screen. Well, i love her, i think she is a wonderful actress, and for the first time in the show her character is in control of what she is doing, she accepted fully her role as the evil queen in this tale. She would have never been capable of getting Alberto's love for herself, and she was quite pathetic in the second and third seasons, always a step behind, not in control of anything in her life, so much she lost it. I fully understand why she is pissed off with Alberto. I love her evil face now, finally pulling the threads and using petty Carlos in her revenge plan, she just need a white cat now ... she is still redeemable though. When Petra saw Ana and Mateo together she thought they were a couple, because it's unusual to see friendship like that and to not make that assumption. But there is no sexual tension/attraction between them, zero, that's something pretty obvious, Mateo will always look at Ana as Alberto's woman. If they changed that not only it would be out of character, 100% of the men watching will be pissed off with him with that despicable move, and 99%? of women would also hate Ana, with all their hearts, because it doesn't work as you try to establish, Alberto is not dead for the audiences and that's matters. For doing what you suggest they would have to have killed Alberto forever and play with his no return, but then Velvet would become an horrible tale, and Mateo and Ana an awful substitute. I sincerely don't understand what do you want to imply with the playing safe, if Ana would have been paired with another man for example, a man who had to be as least almost as good as Alberto, this would have stopped being Velvet, the romantic tale of Alberto and Ana's love. It would become a telenovela about real life, with Franco regime as one of the main themes and a very sexist undertone, which it's not the spirit of the show. These spanish series with Romeo and Juliet narratives always build their stories to form a big final climax where the main couple reunite and can live their lives together at last, like Cinderella. I don't understand why you keep asking for things that would go against the structure of the show itself, so please elaborate. They take advantage of MAS absence to build a plot which is going to magnify the final climax, and i think they are doing pretty well, plus the show has enough wonderful characters to keep itself interesting.
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Post by Lara on Nov 9, 2016 10:17:31 GMT -5
I agree with you Kate, Emilio has been raising Alberto Jr. Love the expression "a flea with just a dumb bouquet of flowers"! I think you're right Ana would have put it off claiming work was taking too much of her time but he said it in front of Alberto Jr. (although I haven't seen that part yet) and what does Alberto Jr. Know, he's a kid, so sure, Ana's going to feel some pressure. I also think she feels she owes Carlos because he gave her the store as a gift. And then there's the question of the eviction of the staff at Velvet. She is under the gun. I don't think Ana is any less strong but she's being manipulated to look that way. She's coming off of a successful business trip, won awards, and now wants to start a Pret-a Porter line. She determined to make that happen. She's busy with the new store. She doesn't have time to question if anyone is manipulating her. Conning her. Her concern is the new line and even Rita. She's suspicious of Christina's intentions but she's taking Christina at face value and Carlos too. I'm hoping Ana when she finds out what Carlos has done she will flip out on him and not just have Alberto do it. I also want to see Christina get her due also, from the both of them, Alberto and Ana. If you think that of Ana, who has a child with the one man whose she's loved more than anything, since she was at least 9 I can't imagine what you must think of Patricia. Or Clara. Or Blanca. It's a slippery slope once you go there. I think it was more about the Jr. Carlos manipulated the situation. Ana seems to indulge the child, so it's not surprising she caved. She's just been one massive pushover this season, even with her kid. She might be strong with the Pret-a-porter line, but she is being bested in every aspect of her life. She shouldn't be taking things at face value, she should be questioning more at this point. Allowing her son to go to the party was another example of how she is a pushover. The fact that Emilio didn't think it was odd that Carlos would show up there is another head scratcher. Ana didn't even turn up and what man would want to go to a child's birthday party. I didn't see any other parents would be at child's party? I still can't stand the kid's thing and how forced it is to A/A part II. My greatest wish right now is that she dumps Carlos on her own. It would redeem her character a bit in my eyes. C/C need to be severely punished, but time is running out as far us watching play out. I don't have a problem with Ana with another man, but she shouldn't be held up as a symbol of religiousness. that doesn't factor into her life. he does, though last ep he was clearly fooling himself. I think Ana hiding behind this relationship because it scares her to get out there. I honestly see a character like Ana staying alone for a while after Alberto. Like she did at the beginning. Carlos is the ultimate loser. There isn't really anything beneficial for him in this relationship. He's settling for a woman who isn't in love with him. It's beyond pathetic. I'm starting to think he's going end up with Cristina. ☹️ I don't want any kind of happy ending for either. If the today preview doesn't have the swirly tie, we are screwed!
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Post by BK on Nov 9, 2016 10:41:37 GMT -5
I watched the first part with subs. I just don't get it!!!!! Why is no one questioning Ana about her lack of love for Carlos? They talk about moving on and she's still in love with Alberto, but why do they never ask if she is actually in love with Carlos? She obviously sees him as a glorified friend, so is it him or no one else? It makes no sense at all. She takes the first guy that comes along after Alberto 'dies',for the sake of moving on😡 My take on Ana is that she simply isn't interested in moving on and finding another epic love like Alberto. Carlos is, as far as she can see, a decent guy who loves her and loves her son...plus, he's not intimidated by her success (as many men might have been during that time period). Basically, he's convenient. What she (and her family and friends) are asking is, at this point in her life, is it "convenience" she wants, or does she want to go out there and chase the possibility of finding someone she loved as much as Alberto, which I don't think she thinks is likely -- hell, she may subconsciously be SCARED of going out there and finding someone she loves like she loved Alberto, both because that would be a "betrayal" of him, and also because it would mean risking her heart. I think, bottom line, is that Emilio, Mateo, Rita, and everyone, are only going to suggest what they think would genuinely make Ana happy. That's what they want for her. But she needs to figure out for herself what that is. What bugs me the most is that they are reusing storylines, but they did it better the first time. It was a huge issue that Alberto wasn't marrying for love, now it's like no biggie. The circumstances are different, though... 1. Alberto was in love with Ana and most of the people giving him advice knew it. 2. Alberto would have been tricking a woman into believing he loved her when he really just wanted her money. Both of those things made Alberto's situation trickier than Ana's. Alberto was throwing away happiness -- Ana doesn't see that she has "happiness" to throw away. And Carlos' eyes are open whereas Cristina's weren't. I can completely understand Ana on why she accepted the marriage proposal from Carlos. Yes, she doesn't love him. But he has been there taking care of Alberto Jr. all this time. We know that Carlos is keeping all those letters from her but she doesn't. She doesn't know that Carlos is using her son just to make her say yes and marry him. You have to think as Ana to understand her. She will never love no one the same way she loved Alberto. And she thinks he's dead and never coming back. Now, everything is against her this season. Marco, Enrique and now what Pedro has done. I can completely understand why she would want someone to make her feel safe and protected, someone she can trust. Her uncle is getting old, Rita has her own problems and family. Her son loves Carlos who has become a father figure for Alberto Jr. And besides, we are talking about a single mother in the 60s. I don't know much about Spanish culture but I assume it was a highly religious country back then. Yes, she is successful and rich but she is still a woman. These are very good points. (Are you new to the board? There are so many new posters lately, I can't remember who I've welcomed, but if I haven't welcomed you yet, welcome to the board!) I agree with both Kate_ca and northboundtrain that Ana's situation with Carlos is different from Alberto's with Cristina because she believes she'll NEVER truly love anyone again, while Alberto had the love of his life right in front of him, so the question for Ana really is: Will what she has with Carlos be enough? Will it make her, and Albertito, happy? (I hadn't considered, but really like your point, northboundtrain, that she maybe is so wounded by her experience losing Alberto that she feels incapable of even looking for something more, too.) The problem for me with the A/C relationship this season, though, is why is this enough for Carlos? One of the reasons their relationship seems so implausible to me is that I don't see him getting ANYTHING meaningful from Ana herself. In season two they had fun together (e.g., the verbena, Christmas Eve), talked about their careers and ambitions (especially sweet was their convo after the fancy restaurant date), joked together, etc etc. I mean, Carlos had a personality! And initially it was nice! They had a meet-cute! In particular, I loved the scene at the same restaurant as the Marquez-Oteguis where Ana was acting like a nut, hiding being behind her menu and napkin, pretending to smell it ("se cuidan todos los detalles"), and Carlos told her he'd threaten the chef, warned her about going blind, and basically reacted like a normal person. We see absolutely none of that this season--just him groveling for crumbs. (I forget who used that phrase earlier on the forum but I think it's apt.) We do see Carlos with Albertito playing a little bit, but that's not a fulfilling adult, romantic relationship so he just seems pathetic vis a vis Ana, and thus utterly unattractive. (Also, they hardly seem to have any kind of physical relationship. Their very few kisses this season are totally sad. They kissed more in season 2, and of course Carlos knows that Ana had sex with Alberto because, um, child. It seems really weird that someone who a few years ago tried to get invited into her room in the galerias and her hotel room in New York would not want to at least make out after who knows how many years of dating. Another aside: I don't think we do know how long they've been dating. I thought it was pretty clear that they were NOT a couple at Clara and Mateo's wedding, so I think she friend-zoned Carlos for an undefined period of time. She does not seem to have hopped directly into a new relationship as soon as Alberto died; she did stay single for at least some time, although Carlos certainly was hanging around like a sad dog.) My other big hangup with Carlos as a character is that I can't get a read on his exact state of mind, by which I mean I can't tell exactly how delusional he is. In season two, it seemed like we saw his dark, controlling, borderline (or not so borderline) abusive side slowly emerge as he started to understand Ana's connection to Alberto better and better. It happened step-by-step--first testing her on how "over it" she was by putting her uncomfortable situations and flaunting the relationship in Alberto's face, then trying to claim her, but ultimately it took several episodes of being on the rocks before he showed up telling her she really loved him and he grabbed her. (And it seemed like he was having a nervous breakdown, too--he looked like a total wreck and seemed to legitimately claim he wasn't sleeping at all.) In this season, he seems to think she might love him? That if she marries him and Alberto comes back she won't leave him? Which is obviously wrong. But whenever he's talking to Ana and she doesn't say "te quiero" back to him, or doesn't accept his marriage proposal right away, or Albertito says he's happy in the galerias and Carlos can't be his father because his father is in heaven (which obviously reflects what Ana has taught him), Carlos absolutely seems to have a pained/angry expression that makes me think he knows he can never win? I don't know. I watched "El tiempo entre costuras" aka "The Time In Between" on Netflix before Velvet (another Spanish tv show that I absolutely recommend, though fair warning I thought it started slowly and kind of had to power through the first 3 episodes before the plot really picked up and the characters started to shine). Peter Vives plays one of the love interests and I thought he was great, but this season he only seems to have three facial expressions: obsequious, plotting, and pained. For me, it seems too limited to show what Carlos really believes and I find him totally opaque. I understand his MOTIVATION of course, which is to win over Ana, but none of his psychology. Carlos is a total dud for me, even as a villain or plot point, as a result. A final A/C detail, which other people have noted: obviously Carlos basically proposes his marriage (of Ana) to Albertito in front of his mother as a hugely manipulative move. But Ana seems to TOTALLY see that and be WILDLY unhappy about it, based on her expression. Any opinions on why she accepts? Do people really buy that it is just for Albertito despite her emotional state?
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Post by BK on Nov 9, 2016 12:23:16 GMT -5
The Clara/Mateo discussion here is so passionate! Quite appropriate for their relationship. Did anyone else see the interview on the Antena 3 website where PE said we wouldn't find out what had happened on the dia maldita (damned/cursed day) (or whatever they were calling the day Clara and Mateo broke up)? I can't find that video on their website anymore, and now I don't remember/am not sure I paid enough attention to understand if she was talking just about that episode or if she meant in general. I thought we got a major clue about what happened at this end of this captiulo, when Clara said to Marco that she was fed up with being with someone who put work first instead of her. I thought that was a clear sign of what might have gone wrong with Mateo. I wish we knew if he worked at Velvet or at Ecos de la Sociedad... One part of me thinks they'll slowly be revealing this information, but another worries that PE meant this will never come out. We also know that: Clara is incapable of sharing a bathroom with another person (according to Mateo) and (according to JR on the Antena 3 website, at least) Mateo continues to be "tan canalla" (or what I'd translate in this context to be is as much a rogue or bastard). What we actually see is that he has surrounded himself at the magazine with plenty of (though not exclusively) young pretty women and blatantly flirts (though not in front of Clara). (p.s. Here's the link to that interview with JR: www.antena3.com/series/velvet/entrevistas/javier-rey-velvet-ha-cambiado-mucho-pero-mateo-sigue-siendo-tan-canalla_2016091457da39800cf251f2ac12388d.html)As far as Clara and the slap, I'm much more forgiving than the majority on this board seem to be. Mateo and Clara are both very guarded this season--it seems clear that they love each other, but neither wants to admit it for fear that the other doesn't reciprocate and they would be deeply hurt again. They're protecting themselves. But Clara opened herself up when she cried in Mateo's arms and then they agreed to the date, plus she's worried about Rita, so I think she's feeling particularly vulnerable. She took the message about the hotel suite and had plenty of time to stew on that before she saw Mateo again. I read all her actions as just boiling over as a result of this fear and pain and general sludge of confusing emotions--and while I definitely have never slapped a man, if you think about it Cristina and Ana have both slapped Alberto, Rita slapped Alfonso, I can't remember it specifically but I assume someone's slapped Enrique, etc. Not to step too far out of the Velvet world, it's a nice dramatic effect for tv. (Also, have you noticed how often the guys punch each other? Alberto seemed to have an artful cut across one of his eyebrows about half the time he was on-air.) Ditto Clara and the kiss. What I though was most intriguing was Marco clearly eyeing Mateo the whole time. Now that was malicious! I'm curious to see, now that Clara seems to have ended their relationship, how deep Marco's feelings are vs. how much it had to do with stealing Mateo's "prize" or vengeance or some other uglier motive. I guess we'll find out more tonight/tomorrow (or in the days to come for the subtitle readers), but I'd love to hear thoughts on this. And how the fiancee back in Italy fits into the picture. FINALLY there's something that's bugged me since the very first season and I'm not sure if this is exactly the right place to talk about it but I figure why not give it a go. We all know that plot holes are kind of the Velvet writers' achilles heels, but can anyone explain to me the timeline of Ana and Alberto's first attempted escape to Paris/exile to London/return to Madrid? I know he's said things like "we're not 15 years old anymore," which made me think they were 15 when he was sent away. That would make sense also in terms of: 1. how the young (but not child) Ana/Alberto actors look; 2. the fact that Alberto's father had that much control over his life; 3. Mateo saying at Alberto's funeral that he was 13 when he met his "older brother"; 4. the tone of the letters (text on Antena 3 website, as well as snippets read on aloud during various episodes). He's in London for seven year. That would make him 22 when he comes back to Madrid. But in episode 6, Alberto turns 31, which makes sense based on the age of the actors, and the responsibilities they take on at Galerias Velvet too I suppose. So what happened to those missing 8 or 9 years? I mean, Alberto couldn't have been 22 when he was sent to London, right? He and Ana would have been adults already, that wouldn't make sense? But why wouldn't he have come back sooner, if he was so old? And/or gone so long? It's so confusing! Forget this newest, inexplicable four or five year absence, this to me has always been a mystery!!
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