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Post by liz on Nov 7, 2016 22:43:54 GMT -5
First and foremost...THANKS VV for all your time and hard work on posting these episodes with subtitles for us! 💐😘
Now for my rant.....Uuuuggghh! If I could I would slap Clara myself! 😡 She deserves Marco! She's a selfish, immature and insecure brat! Mateo deserves better! I think it would have been a really interesting storyline to pair him up with Adele....
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Post by Lara on Nov 8, 2016 0:24:51 GMT -5
First and foremost...THANKS VV for all your time and hard work on posting these episodes with subtitles for us! 💐😘 Now for my rant.....Uuuuggghh! If I could I would slap Clara myself! 😡 She deserves Marco! She's a selfish, immature and insecure brat! Mateo deserves better! I think it would have been a really interesting storyline to pair him up with Adele.... I wish they would have kept Adele. I like seeing new faces on the show. I watched the first part with subs. I just don't get it!!!!! Why is no one questioning Ana about her lack of love for Carlos? They talk about moving on and she's still in love with Alberto, but why do they never ask if she is actually in love with Carlos? She obviously sees him as a glorified friend, so is it him or no one else? It makes no sense at all. She takes the first guy that comes along after Alberto 'dies',for the sake of moving on😡 Carlos is now fooling himself that she loves him? 2 episodes ago he was worried about her refusing. Her face wasn't one of happiness when he proposed. I can't take much more of this ludicrous storyline. I was happy they touched on her living situation. Maybe she will make changes in her life when she sees Rita. Hey, I'm holding out hope until the end. Lol
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Post by primusoars on Nov 8, 2016 0:33:30 GMT -5
Thank you VV as I finally got watch part 1 of E5. I found this episode more than any other so far to have a lot of heartfelt scenes.My favorite:Mateo and Ana on the roof top. I could really accept a relationship between the 2. They share something truly special. Great chemistry. My OH my, Clara really dug herself in a hole this time. Marco is such a snake! Mateo looked devastated, what a sin. I know Raul is all caught up in his own drama but I'm surprised he hasn't heard of Marco wanting the staff to exit the premises. You would think Jonas would have told him. He was so funny. Loved him in this episode.Classic Raul! Shouldn't Ana feel suspicious of Carlos offer? I mean wouldn't she feel more pressure to marry him because the store would be dependent on her acceptance of his marriage proposal? I would be asking that question. Definitely one of the better episodes this season. Mind you it's only part 1.😊 I am so over the Ann Carlos storyline they look so fake together there's no chemistry between them Carlos always has that I am a phony look on this face 😏 I thought this season Ana's acting is so much better because she plays a more complex character not like previous seasons. I am too so over Carlos, I think they purposely make him and Ana an chemistry less couple. I am also really tire of Christina's acting, her facial expression never changes it is between sweet/thoughtful and evil eye lunacy. Mateo, Patricia, Rita and Raul are excellent too. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
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Post by loveloulabel on Nov 8, 2016 0:52:59 GMT -5
First and foremost...THANKS VV for all your time and hard work on posting these episodes with subtitles for us! 💐😘 Now for my rant.....Uuuuggghh! If I could I would slap Clara myself! 😡 She deserves Marco! She's a selfish, immature and insecure brat! Mateo deserves better! I think it would have been a really interesting storyline to pair him up with Adele.... I wish they would have kept Adele. I like seeing new faces on the show. I watched the first part with subs. I just don't get it!!!!! Why is no one questioning Ana about her lack of love for Carlos? They talk about moving on and she's still in love with Alberto, but why do they never ask if she is actually in love with Carlos? She obviously sees him as a glorified friend, so is it him or no one else? It makes no sense at all. She takes the first guy that comes along after Alberto 'dies',for the sake of moving on😡 Carlos is now fooling himself that she loves him? 2 episodes ago he was worried about her refusing. Her face wasn't one of happiness when he proposed. I can't take much more of this ludicrous storyline. I was happy they touched on her living situation. Maybe she will make changes in her life when she sees Rita. Hey, I'm holding out hope until the end. Lol Exactly! Why don't they say 'do you love Carlos? '. If she says no...which she has really by saying she's still in love with Alberto....then they shouldcsay don't marry him. Even though he saved the workers' living space! It's like Alberto marrying Cristina to save Velvet in a different format! Ugh.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 8, 2016 6:59:12 GMT -5
Those that are quick to point out that nobody seems to question whether Ana is truly in love with Carlos, like Emilio, especially Emilio, is rather disturbing. You folks are right! The deck seems to be stacked against Ana to accept Carlos marriage proposal regardless of whether she still loves Alberto and is not in love with Carlos. There seems a lot of pressure on her to accept Carlos' proposal as there seems with her accepting Christina's birthday party invitation. Another hole in this storyline is the fact that Emilio wasn't privy to how Carlos treated Ana in S2, so he's under the assumption Carlos is a good guy. Attentive, caring, doing all he can for Ana and Alberto Jr. But this whole relapse in memory and forgiving Christina boggles the mind! I'm pleased that Ana still has reservations about Christina but that Emilio and Rita are so quick to forgive all that she's done! Geesh she tried to kill Ana! She went crazy with jealousy! Yes it's been five years but...
Emilio bringing up the fact that maybe he was wrong about keeping Alberto and Ana apart all those years, and alluding that this is the same for Little Christina and Alberto Jr. seems a little farfetched. Not the same at all. Yes it's just too kids wanting to play together but Ana has real concerns about having anything to do with Christina and her family. No one seems to want to really hear her. Strange that Emilio thinks the barrier to Ana's success is just Marco. Has he forgotten what Enrique was like? Christina?
Maybe part of the problem is that since Marco's taken over, the place Emilio had in Velvet, the caretaker, the fixer, is no longer valid. He doesn't know any more about what's happening at Velvet than what the rest knows and what Ana tells him. He's in the dark as is Ana. He has an "feeling" but that's about it.
On another topic, what Clara did to Mateo is shameful. I wonder if Mateo will tell Ana or will Clara? Someone needs to sit that girl down and have a frank conversation with her. Ususally Rita was the one, but she has her problems now and probably won't. I personally hope Mateo doesn't give her the time of day. I know that he can't confess his love for Ana, because I think he does, because she's friends with Clara, but wow what a conflict that would create eh? Where are the writers when you need them as that would have been a good story to pursue! Honestly if Alberto were not to come back I would be sold in a heart beat on Mateo and Ana. He is so handsome! And a great guy!! Carlos is a wet blanket, no personality, no integrity, I mean he was once a good friend of Enrique's. Everyone seems to have a short memory!
Which brings me to this question: If Carlos was friends with Enrique and Enrique is behind the destruction of the store, what will Carlos do? Christina? Will Carlos confront Enrique?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 8:39:03 GMT -5
Yes! My take is that Don Emilio regrets what he did to Ana, he was fundamental keeping Ana and Alberto separated and he only has watched Ana suffer because of his decision. Plus in Spain children are very central to our culture, if you come here you will see kids everywhere with their parents, so if someone would take a decision against the two kids being friends would not be Ana but Cristina, the kids bonding serves her revenge.
Enrique is dedicated to jewels and men lines section. Because they had the 5 years jump they had to explain Marco and Ana confrontation with how characters react to events. This was one more.
Ana is the woman of the life of Alberto, Mateo's best friend, the mere idea of lust of Mateo over Ana... phew. They are best friends, in fact i think that Ana is going to be an important part of Mateo and Clara reconciliation, because Ana knows that Mateo and Clara are still madly in love. She needs to know what happened the day they broke up though.
Yes, he played very well his cards, giving Alberto junior a father figure, which is the only way he has to be with Ana. I think now that he genuinely loves the kid, maybe that's going to be his punishment, to lose the kid's love forever because what he did, Alberto junior will probably watch Alberto and Carlos fight.
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Post by Lara on Nov 8, 2016 11:48:01 GMT -5
I wish they would have kept Adele. I like seeing new faces on the show. I watched the first part with subs. I just don't get it!!!!! Why is no one questioning Ana about her lack of love for Carlos? They talk about moving on and she's still in love with Alberto, but why do they never ask if she is actually in love with Carlos? She obviously sees him as a glorified friend, so is it him or no one else? It makes no sense at all. She takes the first guy that comes along after Alberto 'dies',for the sake of moving on😡 Carlos is now fooling himself that she loves him? 2 episodes ago he was worried about her refusing. Her face wasn't one of happiness when he proposed. I can't take much more of this ludicrous storyline. I was happy they touched on her living situation. Maybe she will make changes in her life when she sees Rita. Hey, I'm holding out hope until the end. Lol Exactly! Why don't they say 'do you love Carlos? '. If she says no...which she has really by saying she's still in love with Alberto....then they shouldcsay don't marry him. Even though he saved the workers' living space! It's like Alberto marrying Cristina to save Velvet in a different format! Ugh. What bugs me the most is that they are reusing storylines, but they did it better the first time. It was a huge issue that Alberto wasn't marrying for love, now it's like no biggie. The fact that Ana has to think on it and asks Emilio and Mateo should be a dead giveaway. Lord help us when Cristina is actually making sense. If Ana loved Carlos even a tiny bit, she wouldn't have delayed. They are dumbing down Emilio to make pieces that don't fit, fit until Alberto comes back. It's especially troubling because Emilio said in the past never marry for anything but love. They are not getting still loving Alberto and marrying a man she doesn't love are two separate things. I think if they actually had killed off his character, all this would have gone differently. It's their storylines being held back because of this Carlos thing. She would have kicked him to the curb ages ago if they didn't do the whole letter thing. Lady- that bothered me too. It was totally not in character nor smart for Emilio or Rita to encourage Ana to allow her kid go to the party at Cristina's house no less. It's showing she has no mind of her own and could be pushed into anything. Carlos is controlling as it is and she's allowing herself to be played. She knew with the proposal that he was using the kid and she went along with it. I would be furious if I were her. She just seems like a massive pushover now. No surprise here, I love Ana and Mateo, especially in comparison to Carlos. Carlos is totally dull, unattractive (IMO), charismaless and has no moral compass, in other words he's the male Cristina. Mateo is gorgeous, nice, smart, funny and he actually has chemistry with Ana, unlike Carlos. I know it won't happen with Ana, but it would have been great to at least introduce a new woman in his life this season. I know they would never take that kind of chance of really breaking up one of their big couples, yet they'll allow the manipulation of a little boy. That makes a lot of sense🙄
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Post by primusoars on Nov 8, 2016 12:04:06 GMT -5
Yup! I watched Dr. Foster as per Christine's suggestions. It was very interesting, different in that I al last felt I was in a detective video game for some reason. Yup. I have never liked the slapping thing, but this is was OTT because they aren't together and he hasn't seen him regularly for years. Plus,Moshe had no right because he did nothing wrong. Clara is childish. I don't like them together. I'm glad people are getting on the Ana/Mateo train now! I still love A/A, but out of sight, out of mind. M/A are together and the chemistry is pretty great. I do hope that it's still there with A/A but we're going to get a rush job. I wish Mateo would have been given a new love interest. I don't know what it is but the writers took something from the way I feel about Clara I always loved her and Matao but when they put her sleeping with Marco I was very disappointed I always considered her Matao's girl now to me she's like sloppy second l don't know if am describing it the right way or if you understand what I am trying to say I will feel the same way if Ann sleeps with Carlos. I guess I am old fashioned 😜 Yes, they make her look like a piece of cheap clothing. Clara was alway a woman with her own mind but this season she is a woman with no mind. Disappointment with Clara and Patricia in each subsequent episode. Don't even want to talk about Christina and Carlos two low lives with high class upbringing.
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Post by Kate_ca on Nov 8, 2016 12:19:25 GMT -5
I can completely understand Ana on why she accepted the marriage proposal from Carlos. Yes, she doesn't love him. But he has been there taking care of Alberto Jr. all this time. We know that Carlos is keeping all those letters from her but she doesn't. She doesn't know that Carlos is using her son just to make her say yes and marry him. You have to think as Ana to understand her. She will never love no one the same way she loved Alberto. And she thinks he's dead and never coming back.
Now, everything is against her this season. Marco, Enrique and now what Pedro has done. I can completely understand why she would want someone to make her feel safe and protected, someone she can trust. Her uncle is getting old, Rita has her own problems and family. Her son loves Carlos who has become a father figure for Alberto Jr. And besides, we are talking about a single mother in the 60s. I don't know much about Spanish culture but I assume it was a highly religious country back then. Yes, she is successful and rich but she is still a woman.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2016 12:39:36 GMT -5
Moreover one of the most despicable things a man can do is stealing the woman of a friend, and Alberto is still alive, Mateo is not going to New York and tell him that he fell in love with Ana, what is going to tell him then: hey you coward dumbass, why don't you stay dead because i want Ana to... ehem? that's not going to happen. Mateo is going to go to New York and tell Alberto that Ana is going to make the biggest error of her life because she is going to marry another man that she doesn't love, that she still loves Alberto, and that she was pregnant when he left and he is now father of a handsome and smart kid. Alberto is going to burn Madrid. And if Mateo is not in love with Clara, the fact that she is with Marco would not bother him one bit, it's more, he would be happy because he dodged a bullet. But we also know that Clara is deeply in love with Mateo as well, she thinks that Mateo was unfaithful, true or not, that's why they probably broke up and why she was too quick to assume that Mateo is still a Don Juan, a spanish literature character who can't live without flirting and seducing many women.
Don Emilio is now a lovely grandfather, who is not going to decide for Ana, a mature woman, what to do with her life, he is going to support her in everything. Cristina is inviting Junior to a birthday party, something that is very innocent. They only know that Cristina is a recovered woman and she wants to make amends... why are not going to give her a new opportunity? They are still the good guys, Cristina though knows how to manipulate Ana good nature behaviour. Rita thinks she is going to die, and again, it's just a birthday party, she doesn't like the idea of Ana marrying Carlos one bit though, but that's in part 2 of the chapter, the fact that she thinks she is going to die soon is going to condition what she tells Ana after hearing Ana reasons (almost excuses) to marry Carlos.
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Post by debmac on Nov 8, 2016 12:44:44 GMT -5
Moreover one of the most despicable things a man can do is stealing the woman of a friend, and Alberto is still alive, Mateo is not going to New York and tell him that he fell in love with Ana, what is going to tell him then: hey you coward dumbass, why don't you stay dead because i want Ana to... ehem? that's not going to happen. Mateo is going to go to New York and tell Alberto that Ana is going to make the biggest error of her life because she is going to marry another man that she doesn't love, that she still loves Alberto, and that she was pregnant when he left and he is now father of a handsome and smart kid. Alberto is going to burn Madrid. And if Mateo is not in love with Clara, the fact that she is with Marco would not bother him one bit, it's more, he would be happy because he dodged a bullet. But we also know that Clara is deeply in love with Mateo as well, she thinks that Mateo was unfaithful, true or not, that's why they probably broke up and why she was too quick to assume that Mateo is still a Don Juan, a spanish literature character who can't live without flirting and seducing many women. Don Emilio is now a lovely grandfather, who is not going to decide for Ana, a mature woman, what to do with her life, he is going to support her in everything. Cristina is inviting Junior to a birthday party, something that is very innocent. They only know that Cristina is a recovered woman and she wants to make amends... why are not going to give her a new opportunity? They are still the good guys, Cristina though knows how to manipulate Ana good nature behaviour. Rita thinks she is going to die, and again, it's just a birthday party, she doesn't like the idea of Ana marrying Carlos one bit though, but that's in part 2 of the chapter, the fact that she thinks she is going to die soon is going to condition what she tells Ana after hearing Ana reasons (almost excuses) to marry Carlos. this makes sense, Alfi...best answer
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Post by loveloulabel on Nov 8, 2016 13:50:37 GMT -5
Moreover one of the most despicable things a man can do is stealing the woman of a friend, and Alberto is still alive, Mateo is not going to New York and tell him that he fell in love with Ana, what is going to tell him then: hey you coward dumbass, why don't you stay dead because i want Ana to... ehem? that's not going to happen. Mateo is going to go to New York and tell Alberto that Ana is going to make the biggest error of her life because she is going to marry another man that she doesn't love, that she still loves Alberto, and that she was pregnant when he left and he is now father of a handsome and smart kid. Alberto is going to burn Madrid. And if Mateo is not in love with Clara, the fact that she is with Marco would not bother him one bit, it's more, he would be happy because he dodged a bullet. But we also know that Clara is deeply in love with Mateo as well, she thinks that Mateo was unfaithful, true or not, that's why they probably broke up and why she was too quick to assume that Mateo is still a Don Juan, a spanish literature character who can't live without flirting and seducing many women. Don Emilio is now a lovely grandfather, who is not going to decide for Ana, a mature woman, what to do with her life, he is going to support her in everything. Cristina is inviting Junior to a birthday party, something that is very innocent. They only know that Cristina is a recovered woman and she wants to make amends... why are not going to give her a new opportunity? They are still the good guys, Cristina though knows how to manipulate Ana good nature behaviour. Rita thinks she is going to die, and again, it's just a birthday party, she doesn't like the idea of Ana marrying Carlos one bit though, but that's in part 2 of the chapter, the fact that she thinks she is going to die soon is going to condition what she tells Ana after hearing Ana reasons (almost excuses) to marry Carlos. Agreed!! Mateo and Ana share a common bond that they both love Alberto one as friend and Ana as lover. Their chemistry is that only they understand each other's loss. Mateo clearly loves Clara and vice versa. He always loved her sassy nature even when she frustrated him. so let them work it out! I love M/C and I know A/A will be one soon enough. Happly episodes to come?!!! please 🙏
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Post by Lara on Nov 8, 2016 14:29:38 GMT -5
I can completely understand Ana on why she accepted the marriage proposal from Carlos. Yes, she doesn't love him. But he has been there taking care of Alberto Jr. all this time. We know that Carlos is keeping all those letters from her but she doesn't. She doesn't know that Carlos is using her son just to make her say yes and marry him. You have to think as Ana to understand her. She will never love no one the same way she loved Alberto. And she thinks he's dead and never coming back. Now, everything is against her this season. Marco, Enrique and now what Pedro has done. I can completely understand why she would want someone to make her feel safe and protected, someone she can trust. Her uncle is getting old, Rita has her own problems and family. Her son loves Carlos who has become a father figure for Alberto Jr. And besides, we are talking about a single mother in the 60s. I don't know much about Spanish culture but I assume it was a highly religious country back then. Yes, she is successful and rich but she is still a woman. Not really, Emilio has been doing a lot of the child rearing while Ana has been away. Seems like Carlos is amping up his efforts now to win the child over. He definitely manipulated her by asking Jr. If he wanted them to get married without warning and after he spent a whole day with him. He knows she couldn't say no with the kids standing there really wanting it and egging her on to accept. She's going to keep putting it off and hopefully will call it off before Alberto comes back. I understand what you're saying about her thinking she will never love someone in the same way and that's probably true. However, she owes it to herself to see what's out there or just to be on her own, not settle for the man that hangs around like a flea with his dumb bouquet of flowers. The Ana we met in season 1 was someone who was strong enough to stand by while the great love of her life married someone else. Not only watched, but encouraged and designed/made the other woman's wedding dress! This doesn't feel like the same Ana. Instead of getting stronger, which comes with age and time, she has gotten weaker. S1 &2 Ana would have stayed alone for a while, especially if she was in such mourning. Let's be honest here, it's not exactly a good look for Ana that the minute Alberto 'died' she got a replacement. Most people couldn't even fathom being with another man/woman in any capacity right after their one true love died. Not only that, but a man who was abusive and who Alberto hated. I know the argument is she didn't want to be alone, but she wasn't. She had Emilio, Blanca, Clara, Mateo etc... By her own admission she hasn't seen Carlos that much in 5 years. Now she is getting attacked from all sides, but even when the Carlos reveal comes, she's going to look like the biggest fool. I don't like the message it's sending out to women. As far the religious thing, it never factored in before, it won't now. She had a child out of wedlock when the father was still married to another woman. Then named him after said man.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 8, 2016 16:32:54 GMT -5
Alfi, I wasn't suggesting that Ana and Mateo get together while Alberto is still alive, but lets be fair the story was built to accomodate MAS's absence from the show. I'm just seeing it from another angle, one I wouldn't have thought possible but seeing Mateo and Ana together, since then I have changed my mind.
I agree with you Kate, Emilio has been raising Alberto Jr. Love the expression "a flea with just a dumb bouquet of flowers"! I think you're right Ana would have put it off claiming work was taking too much of her time but he said it in front of Alberto Jr. (although I haven't seen that part yet) and what does Alberto Jr. Know, he's a kid, so sure, Ana's going to feel some pressure. I also think she feels she owes Carlos because he gave her the store as a gift. And then there's the question of the eviction of the staff at Velvet. She is under the gun.
I don't think Ana is any less strong but she's being manipulated to look that way. She's coming off of a successful business trip, won awards, and now wants to start a Pret-a Porter line. She determined to make that happen. She's busy with the new store. She doesn't have time to question if anyone is manipulating her. Conning her. Her concern is the new line and even Rita. She's suspicious of Christina's intentions but she's taking Christina at face value and Carlos too. I'm hoping Ana when she finds out what Carlos has done she will flip out on him and not just have Alberto do it. I also want to see Christina get her due also, from the both of them, Alberto and Ana.
If you think that of Ana, who has a child with the one man whose she's loved more than anything, since she was at least 9 I can't imagine what you must think of Patricia. Or Clara. Or Blanca. It's a slippery slope once you go there.
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Post by Camille on Nov 8, 2016 16:59:49 GMT -5
First and foremost...THANKS VV for all your time and hard work on posting these episodes with subtitles for us! 💐😘 Now for my rant.....Uuuuggghh! If I could I would slap Clara myself! 😡 She deserves Marco! She's a selfish, immature and insecure brat! Mateo deserves better! I think it would have been a really interesting storyline to pair him up with Adele.... I wish they would have kept Adele. I like seeing new faces on the show. I watched the first part with subs. I just don't get it!!!!! Why is no one questioning Ana about her lack of love for Carlos? They talk about moving on and she's still in love with Alberto, but why do they never ask if she is actually in love with Carlos? She obviously sees him as a glorified friend, so is it him or no one else? It makes no sense at all. She takes the first guy that comes along after Alberto 'dies',for the sake of moving on😡 Carlos is now fooling himself that she loves him? 2 episodes ago he was worried about her refusing. Her face wasn't one of happiness when he proposed. I can't take much more of this ludicrous storyline. I was happy they touched on her living situation. Maybe she will make changes in her life when she sees Rita. Hey, I'm holding out hope until the end. Lol I finally watched the first half of eps5. Mucho Gracias VV!!! You are the best. 😘 Liz, my sentiments exactly. Lara, you are right on point. Carlos is not blind or stupid, he knows Ana does not love him. I think Ana Is kind to him out on generosity for his kindness. When he asked her to marry him her expression we I solemn. If it were not for the employees well being Ana would have probably turned Carlos down flat out no. Carlos is pathetic and he's taking advantage of Ana's kindness which is her weakness.
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