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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 22, 2016 0:02:58 GMT -5
Yes, they completely ignored her acceptance / re-integration into society. A lot was swept under the rug. I do believe that she has matured and is less naive than she was previously. I think of all of the characters, she has evolved the most. I find her newfound ambition believable and like that she is trying to pursue new business ideas like the cosmetics line and looking at other Velvet projects (such as the prêt-à-porter line) with neutrality for the most part (at least initially. She even showed she had a conscience a few times, but of course she decided to be in the 'evil' bucket for good. I would have liked to see her friendship with Raul re-develop, they claimed to be best friends in the past! Other than her alliance with Carlos, she hasn't found her place amongst the people of Velvet yet either. I don't think she's matured at all since she's still up to her old tricks. She's truly crazy. She and Barbara proved how badly they were as businesswomen, so her coming in and being competent doesn't wash with me. I really think her storyline ran its course and she should not have come back this season. It feels like they really don't know want do with her and they just stuck her it into this stupid Carlos storyline. So much of this season feels very flimsy, especially Ana's storyline. Marco had so much potential and they went with the least imaginative direction with him. I'm surprised Raul didn't re-establish a relationship with Cristina, but I'm happy about it because I always felt their friendship was one sided. He hasn't had much to do with Ana either until recently. Cristina mature????We are definitely not watching same show.She is crazy as hell and delusional.She actually wants Alberto after the wounds she inflicted on him..She hates Ana..that much she is yet to tell anyone about Alberto been alive.She is part of that business to undermine Ana and stay close to Alberto like the stalker she has always been.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 22, 2016 0:16:38 GMT -5
Alberto is not perfect...he is flawed just like any other man...He can be impatient,impulsive and uses sex as coping mechanism.He also has a short temper.But he isn't abusive or mean and wicked...he is a good man.
Unlike Carlos...he is a fake,fraud..abusive and stalkrish..wicked and mean.How did we meet him?he was Enrique friend they connived against Alberto and then he met Ana.His hatred and jealousy for Alberto multiplied..A criminal too stealing people's mail is a crime.Alberto was right when he told Mateo Carlos can't be trusted..That fake smile is the worst I can't understand why Ana can't see it.
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Post by finnish hola on Nov 22, 2016 1:17:39 GMT -5
Twitter says it's ready... aaah... TY! <3
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 22, 2016 1:50:54 GMT -5
Alberto is not perfect...he is flawed just like any other man...He can be impatient,impulsive and uses sex as coping mechanism.He also has a short temper.But he isn't abusive or mean and wicked...he is a good man. Unlike Carlos...he is a fake,fraud..abusive and stalkrish..wicked and mean.How did we meet him?he was Enrique friend they connived against Alberto and then he met Ana.His hatred and jealousy for Alberto multiplied..A criminal too stealing people's mail is a crime.Alberto was right when he told Mateo Carlos can't be trusted..That fake smile is the worst I can't understand why Ana can't see it. I wasn't trying to make a case in Carlos' favor! I dislike him as much as anyone. I just feel like a lot of people look at Alberto with rose colored glasses. I know for most people MAS is a big draw, but he isn't for me. Just trying to make sure other opinions are stated. 😊
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Post by finnish hola on Nov 22, 2016 4:47:10 GMT -5
It's in tumblr!
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Post by Camille on Nov 22, 2016 8:30:09 GMT -5
I don't agree that their love was unrealistic...or they may not be deserving of each other.A lot of things were at odds with this couple..one of them was the class divide that constantly questioned if Ana was suitable for Alberto..because of her background.Then Alberto inherited a business with financial woes...which eventually he was conned and roped into a marriage which didn't serve him well not even for the business...Then Alberto was immature and made impulsive and bad decisions like handing the family shares to the oteguis was a dumb move.Dont forget his stepmother and sister who were supposed to have his back,constantly backstabbed him and thwarted his relationship with Ana..the young man was overwhelmed and at the end of season 3..he went on self exile..not to mention his vicious crazy wife....Alberto went through some hard stuff!!! As for Ana she was equally naive and stubborn..sometimes very immature..Asking your fiancé to marry another woman...is a dumb idea.It did not solve their problems...that's why I called her naive..and when the opportunity presented itself for them to be married...she jilted him!!!It was puzzling..then the constantly breaking up with Alberto wasn't helping...the last breakup I was convinced they weren't getting back together..all of a sudden she was running around like a squirrel looking for Alberto at the airport...😂😂😂😂are you serious??I believe the separation will serve them well...Ana will gain a more matured man,and Alberto will also gain a matured woman who has rediscovered herself and a talented designer and mother.Both parents of a cute little boy...their love has evolved and matured weathering some hard times.❤️️❤️️ You may think we disagree, but I actually think we are on the same page Just that we draw different end conclusions as to it all. I definitely think the class difference was an issue for others, but never really for them. There were many such unfavorable circumstances that made their relationship difficult, but the real reason they are not together is because of themselves and no one else. The separation will serve them well because we know that they are intended to be together. But in real life, if someone hurt you so badly, would you forgive them so easily and continue to love them unconditionally without question? It's definitely very admirable, and a source of escapism for me. ❤️️ I think the way you put it as their immaturity with regards to their relationship makes a lot of sense. Luckily for both of them, they saved their hearts for each other and will get their happy ending. It wouldn't have been unrealistic for Ana to fall for someone new that she would meet during her whirlwind career (like Luisa did) or for a good Carlos, nor for Alberto to open up emotionally to someone else and bond with them and move on. Ana doesn't love Carlos so even if they did get married, it's no biggie, she would leave him in a heartbeat for Alberto. I have really enjoyed reading both of your threads, you both give excellent synopsis of Ana and Alberto's love life. I think theirs is a true love which is why they keep coming back to each other. I agree that this time it will be different because they have both grown up and matured. They were very young when they first started to love each other. As obsticles started to get in their way they weren't mature enough to handle what came their way. Both are hot tempered and mad dumb decisions causing a ripple effect in their lives which neither were mature enough to handle. I agree that this time it will be different. With all the suffering they have experienced by trying to make everyone happy but themselves will make the difference in their future. A/A have withstood the test of time and this is now their time. I say forgive and forget the past mistakes, move forward and enjoy this once in a life time love which is what they have and why they can't love another. This is their chance to finally be happy, live for each other and their son by making all the people whom kept them apart a non-factor. I fell in love with Velvet so much that I started watching other Spanish romantic series on Netflix. I ran across the series ( Lo que la vida me robo') which I enjoyed staring Angelique Boyer and Sebastian Rilli, beautiful couple. If you haven't watched this, when you have time watch it. It was enjoyable and a good storyline with lots of plots and twist. Now I must warn you because I had no warning. I started watching before checking the number of episodes. This series has 180 episodes. If I had saw that number it would have been a turn off for me. It was a recommendation Felton Netflix; if you liked Velvet you will like this. I started watching and it immediately went into the next couple episodes. I was like this is pretty good, checked the episodes and said OMG. But, I was not disappointed. It was a low budget film but very enjoyable. Sebastian Rulli is a georgious leading man.
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Post by imanoes on Nov 22, 2016 8:42:13 GMT -5
Where can i watch this episode with english sub?
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 22, 2016 9:18:40 GMT -5
Carlos was abusive in that he wouldn't let Ana go when she wanted to sever the relationship. He kept calling her, kept wanting to see her and when she said no grabbed her and said "that she loved him and just didn't know it", kind of response.
It's hard to reconcile all the negative thoughts about Ana and Alberto because those who obviously didn't "buy" their rocky love story, and maybe favored other characters along the way, are quick to judge the authenticity of the story in general. It is a freaking show and has been known to "invent" scenes that didn't make complete sense as we have seen in S3 and now with S4. I personally, feel invested in the Ana and Alberto relationship but also recognize the latitudes the writers had to take to create the conflicts (Alberto inheriting a bankrupt store, Gerado making his deal, Ana going along with it), the disappointments ( Ana leaving Alberto at the altar, him marrying Christina) and so on and so on, that became the Velvet we are left with now. Sometimes those latitudes created the drama and essentially the story. Lets be honest, if we didn't have these conflicts, Ana and Alberto would have run off together in E1 in S1, because he would have sold the store, and that would be the end of it. End of story. As unreasonable the story is at times, and as we pick it apart trying to understand the why she did this, why did he do this, we would not have S4 of Velvet.
I think all opinions are relevant, and mine is no more important than anyone else's but the moment I by accident turned on Velvet on Netflix, I was hooked by the Ana and Alberto's story. It's gotten a little off track, sadly, but I understood, or forced myself to understand why the writers took a certain direction, and at times reluctantly accepted, the scenes they gave us. I find it hard to watch S1, although I've watched it numerous of times as I have all Seasons, because it's was way harder to watch Chistina and Alberto come together so easily. S2 was way more fun to watch because it was the demise of the Christina/Alberto relationship and the coming together of Ana and Alberto and I delighted in that. That should have been the end of Velvet in my opinion. S3 was accepted because I knew why the writers did what they did, MAS was leaving. S4 is all about MAS coming back.
The problem with S3 and S4, especially S4 is it feels rushed, the writers intent is to wrap things up quickly in 11 episodes, and bring it to it's rightful conclusion, and then move on. At least in S3 there was still plenty to keep us involved even though after the arrival of Marco it fell rather flat, sort of what we are seeing in S4.
That doesn't mean I don't enjoy the nitpicking, as there is a lot to nitpick at, but hard to reconcile those that don't find Ana/Alberto story appealing as they are the main protagonists of Velvet. Just saying.
Back to my own nitpicking, I would not want to see Christina and Raul reuniting. I'm sorry but that's Christina's punishment. I think sometimes Christina is using Velvet to hide from her social life which may mean she's been successfully ostracized from her community. All she has is Barbara, her daughter and her obsession with Alberto and Velvet. Her comuppance will be when Alberto arrives before she has had a chance to plan her revenge. As I watched with glee her demise in S2 I am hoping for something similar in S4.
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Post by imanoes on Nov 22, 2016 9:27:25 GMT -5
It's in tumblr! Do you have a link?
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 22, 2016 9:32:10 GMT -5
I don't think she's matured at all since she's still up to her old tricks. She's truly crazy. She and Barbara proved how badly they were as businesswomen, so her coming in and being competent doesn't wash with me. I really think her storyline ran its course and she should not have come back this season. It feels like they really don't know want do with her and they just stuck her it into this stupid Carlos storyline. So much of this season feels very flimsy, especially Ana's storyline. Marco had so much potential and they went with the least imaginative direction with him. I'm surprised Raul didn't re-establish a relationship with Cristina, but I'm happy about it because I always felt their friendship was one sided. He hasn't had much to do with Ana either until recently. Cristina mature????We are definitely not watching same show.She is crazy as hell and delusional.She actually wants Alberto after the wounds she inflicted on him..She hates Ana..that much she is yet to tell anyone about Alberto been alive.She is part of that business to undermine Ana and stay close to Alberto like the stalker she has always been. Hold on a second... No one said Cristina is perfect or admirable in her character. But she is definitely less girlish and naïve than in the first season. Her hurtful experiences though have caused her to be more conniving and play games that she has seen others play, she learnt this from people like Barbara. She saw that even her brother and father were not perfect as she had thought, it took her awhile to see all that. She is definitely fending for herself and not choosing the best methods. She should have accepted that she could not make Alberto love her and move on. She and Carlos should get together.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 22, 2016 9:33:15 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the clarification on Carlos' behaviour in past seasons. I must have just forgotten or Netflix must have left those parts out... Or maybe I wrote off the behaviour because it seemed somewhat justified by his disappointment. Did any of you see it on Netflix?
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 22, 2016 9:49:51 GMT -5
Ladyfromcanada, not sure which bucket you are putting my opinion in, but even though I find Ana & Alberto's relationship sort of fantasy-like and unrealistic at times, I am so rooting for them to be together. Their storyline has definitely brought the most intensity and drama. The other interesting storylines to me are the comic relief ones like Mateo and Clara. Ana frustrated me in Season 3 by deciding not to be happy with Alberto again! Season 2's ending was very satisfying. If you've ever watched Jane the Virgin she is another main character that drives me mad at times with her decisions. On a side note I wish Mateo and Clara were still together this season. They could have focused on tension between her and the Madres
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 22, 2016 10:47:14 GMT -5
Thanks everyone for the clarification on Carlos' behaviour in past seasons. I must have just forgotten or Netflix must have left those parts out... Or maybe I wrote off the behaviour because it seemed somewhat justified by his disappointment. Did any of you see it on Netflix? Netflix didn't leave it out. It's just the one episode after they break up, and I feel like calling it abuse is too strong of a word. Carlos was of course upset since he had asked Ana multiple times if she was over Alberto only to have her say she was still in love with Alberto the moment he proposed. He was too aggressive in continueing to pursue her after she told him it was over. It felt like another case of the writers turning a character evil to justify the actions of A/A. It's a fairy tale so I guess our villains don't need to be nuanced characters with motivations that make sense. (Just a little sarcasm there.). There were similar problems with Gran Hotel, but not quite as blaring. The last season there was also a little darker and different in tone. Probably my biggest problem with Velvet has been that they want A/A to not really be together until the end of the series, but the reasons they aren't together have always felt kind of flimsyto me. Sometimes you just have to let it go and enjoy the show despite its faults.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 22, 2016 10:51:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry didn't mean to offend you. You knww the first time I watch S3 and Ana broke off with Alberto after the whole Sara affair came to light I couldn't understand her reasoning behind it. I was devastated that she did that and that they never got back together. However, Later I reconciled that that was the only way the writers could explain MAS leaving. Then as I watched it again, and again, I found it easier overall because I knew this was what the writers had to do. Maybe what should have happened is Alberto and Ana found a way back to each other and now free of Christina, because she wasn't pregnant with Alberto's child, got on the plane and flew off together. Maybe that's where it should have ended.
I too feel Mateo and Clara will eventaully come back together. There will be a huge reconciliation at the end for everyone and they will be all there celebrarting Ana and Alberto's wedding. That's my dream anyway, And then the cameras will pan to Carlos and Christina, skulking behind a tree outside the church, fuming that their plan didn't work out. I would also hope that Carlos is bruised from a fight he had with Alberto and Christina is in rage pulling out her hair that her plan was foiled. Happy endings as I said for everyone!!
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Post by primusoars on Nov 22, 2016 11:04:30 GMT -5
Ladyfromcanada, not sure which bucket you are putting my opinion in, but even though I find Ana & Alberto's relationship sort of fantasy-like and unrealistic at times, I am so rooting for them to be together. Their storyline has definitely brought the most intensity and drama. The other interesting storylines to me are the comic relief ones like Mateo and Clara. Ana frustrated me in Season 3 by deciding not to be happy with Alberto again! Season 2's ending was very satisfying. If you've ever watched Jane the Virgin she is another main character that drives me mad at times with her decisions. On a side note I wish Mateo and Clara were still together this season. They could have focused on tension between her and the Madres We are a diverse group of people and have different life experiences, we all sees the show in different light. There are no right or wrong opinion that's why it make this forum so interesting. I can't wait each day to get home take out my iPad and start reading it. Good job VV to setup this forum!!
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