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Post by carlucc on Nov 13, 2016 15:16:51 GMT -5
Valentin was fooling around with the gun, looking down the barrel, trying to fix something. All the while Enrique looks horrified and conflicted like he wants to tell him not to point the gun at his face like that, but also hopes he will shoot himself. I wonder if perhaps the gun went off and he accidentally shot himself. Does anyone else think that is how it might happen? While Valentin was looking down the barrel of the gun Enrique had his fingers hesitating at the trigger. I think he shot him...from where Valentin was standing it would have been impossible for him to pull the trigger on himself unless he moved off scene and he did it then. By the way it was held when it went off it would have been to his head or face and in the preview for the next episode his head was wrapped in bandages. No, I definitely think Enrique jumped at the opportunity. My, my Don Gerardo you raised two great kids!!
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Post by primusoars on Nov 13, 2016 15:31:58 GMT -5
I'd love to read more about this episode if anyone has more to share! I haven't seen it yet so love reading everyone's ideas. I think the last episode was fun to read about and didn't we end up with 11 or so pages!? Hope everyone is well and happy xx Last weeks episodes I felt like I caught a lot more of what happened. There were so many scenes this week that I loved but only caught a few words so it makes it harder to discuss. I'm very excited for the subs for this episode. I think it was my favorite so far. I was nervous about how they would handle the fallout from Pedro destroying the store, and from what I could catch they handled it great. I keep watching clips from the episode over even though I'm missing a bunch of dialogue. π I think what makes the episode so good is we only saw Cristina and Carlos once at Cristina's breakfast table, the rest of the story is about Velvet and how they supported each other in difficult times. And the storylines are fresh heart warming and hopeful.
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Post by Lara on Nov 13, 2016 15:59:53 GMT -5
Last weeks episodes I felt like I caught a lot more of what happened. There were so many scenes this week that I loved but only caught a few words so it makes it harder to discuss. I'm very excited for the subs for this episode. I think it was my favorite so far. I was nervous about how they would handle the fallout from Pedro destroying the store, and from what I could catch they handled it great. I keep watching clips from the episode over even though I'm missing a bunch of dialogue. π I think what makes the episode so good is we only saw Cristina and Carlos once at Cristina's breakfast table, the rest of the story is about Velvet and how they supported each other in difficult times. And the storylines are fresh heart warming and hopeful. I agree! The show is so much better when those two are kept at a minimum. They really did not their drama this season, especially when we already have Enrique and Marco. There plotting will lead nowhere, so it was all just filler until Alberto came back. I think Enrique will deny shooting Valentin and we may never know the truth. Valentin was fiddling around with the barrel so maybe something could have gone off. I think they panned away to make it ambiguous. I hope that he didn't do it, but he still gets convicted of it. That would be a very fitting end to his character π The one thing I've noticed is that the producers seem to want us to root for Patricia and Enrique and I absolutely don't. I think Enrique has only brought down her character. They might let him off the hook so he and Patricia could have. 'happy ending.'
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Post by Christine on Nov 13, 2016 16:10:34 GMT -5
I think what makes the episode so good is we only saw Cristina and Carlos once at Cristina's breakfast table, the rest of the story is about Velvet and how they supported each other in difficult times. And the storylines are fresh heart warming and hopeful. I agree! The show is so much better when those two are kept at a minimum. They really did not their drama this season, especially when we already have Enrique and Marco. There plotting will lead nowhere, so it was all just filler until Alberto came back.Β I think Enrique will deny shooting Valentin and we may never know the truth. Valentin was fiddling around with the barrel so maybe something could have gone off. I think they panned away to make it ambiguous. I hope that he didn't do it, but he still gets convicted of it. That would be a very fitting end to his character π Β The one thing I've noticed is that the producers seem to want us to root for Patricia and Enrique and I absolutely don't. I think Enrique has only brought down her character. They might let him off the hook so he and Patricia could have. 'happy ending.' [ maybe they don't kill Valentin and while he is in the hospital Patricia has grown to love him and dump Enrique πI that is not going to happen I don't think he shot him and most likely he will end up with Patricia sorry guys don't shoot me π±
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Post by primusoars on Nov 13, 2016 16:47:19 GMT -5
I think what makes the episode so good is we only saw Cristina and Carlos once at Cristina's breakfast table, the rest of the story is about Velvet and how they supported each other in difficult times. And the storylines are fresh heart warming and hopeful. I agree! The show is so much better when those two are kept at a minimum. They really did not their drama this season, especially when we already have Enrique and Marco. There plotting will lead nowhere, so it was all just filler until Alberto came back. I think Enrique will deny shooting Valentin and we may never know the truth. Valentin was fiddling around with the barrel so maybe something could have gone off. I think they panned away to make it ambiguous. I hope that he didn't do it, but he still gets convicted of it. That would be a very fitting end to his character π The one thing I've noticed is that the producers seem to want us to root for Patricia and Enrique and I absolutely don't. I think Enrique has only brought down her character. They might let him off the hook so he and Patricia could have. 'happy ending.' I don't think that's fair if Enrique is getting away with this! Like you said before Enrique is such a terrible character; a terrible father, terrible boss, and a terrible husband. The show left it ambiguous so if Patricia does end up with him the audience won't complain. They may choose the easy way out of this jam. We complained a lot about Carlos and Cristina and it's storyline now it seems people see that. It is tiring to see them on screen. I hope the next few precious episodes we don't see them at all and their schema is only in the background.
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Post by debmac on Nov 13, 2016 17:35:02 GMT -5
I agree! The show is so much better when those two are kept at a minimum. They really did not their drama this season, especially when we already have Enrique and Marco. There plotting will lead nowhere, so it was all just filler until Alberto came back.Β I think Enrique will deny shooting Valentin and we may never know the truth. Valentin was fiddling around with the barrel so maybe something could have gone off. I think they panned away to make it ambiguous. I hope that he didn't do it, but he still gets convicted of it. That would be a very fitting end to his character π Β The one thing I've noticed is that the producers seem to want us to root for Patricia and Enrique and I absolutely don't. I think Enrique has only brought down her character. They might let him off the hook so he and Patricia could have. 'happy ending.' I don't think that's fair if Enrique is getting away with this! Like you said before Enrique is such a terrible character; a terrible father, terrible boss, and a terrible husband. The show left it ambiguous so if Patricia does end up with him the audience won't complain. They may choose the easy way out of this jam. We complained a lot about Carlos and Cristina and it's storyline now it seems people see that. It is tiring to see them on screen. I hope the next few precious episodes we don't see them at all and their schema is only in the background. I really think Enrique shot Valentin and I hope he does not get away with it. I think Enrique really loves Patricia. The main complaint Barbara had with him was his cheating and he does not cheat on Patricia.
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Post by Christine on Nov 13, 2016 18:12:27 GMT -5
I don't think that's fair if Enrique is getting away with this! Like you said before Enrique is such a terrible character; a terrible father, terrible boss, and a terrible husband. The show left it ambiguous so if Patricia does end up with him the audience won't complain. They may choose the easy way out of this jam. We complained a lot about Carlos and Cristina and it's storyline now it seems people see that. It is tiring to see them on screen. I hope the next few precious episodes we don't see them at all and their schema is only in the background. I really think Enrique shot Valentin and I hope he does not get away with it. I think Enrique really loves Patricia. The main complaint Barbara had with him was his cheating and he does not cheat on Patricia. I agree with you they love each other but neither one wants to admit it because both of them are afraid that of getting hurt by the other.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 13, 2016 19:09:26 GMT -5
I don't think that's fair if Enrique is getting away with this! Like you said before Enrique is such a terrible character; a terrible father, terrible boss, and a terrible husband. The show left it ambiguous so if Patricia does end up with him the audience won't complain. They may choose the easy way out of this jam. We complained a lot about Carlos and Cristina and it's storyline now it seems people see that. It is tiring to see them on screen. I hope the next few precious episodes we don't see them at all and their schema is only in the background. I really think Enrique shot Valentin and I hope he does not get away with it. I think Enrique really loves Patricia. The main complaint Barbara had with him was his cheating and he does not cheat on Patricia. Good point.
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Post by debmac on Nov 13, 2016 20:09:22 GMT -5
I don't think that's fair if Enrique is getting away with this! Like you said before Enrique is such a terrible character; a terrible father, terrible boss, and a terrible husband. The show left it ambiguous so if Patricia does end up with him the audience won't complain. They may choose the easy way out of this jam. We complained a lot about Carlos and Cristina and it's storyline now it seems people see that. It is tiring to see them on screen. I hope the next few precious episodes we don't see them at all and their schema is only in the background. It's not fair, but it wouldn't surprise me. This season has been very off, so who knows what will happen. Oh, I am so hoping that C/C will fade into the background, except to get the harshest of punishments. I remember being so happy they dispensed with Cristina about 20 minutes into the S3 finale. I still question the point of bringing her back this season, she wasn't necessary at all. In fact the show would have been a lot better without her. I saw something a few weeks ago saying that PE implied that they will see what will happen this season and *maybe* bring it back. I don't put much weight into the post, because in totally contradicts everything that's been said. However, if it were to come back, even retitled, I would hope they finally cut loose the Otegui dead weight. Vilans make storylines interesting. If there were to be a season 5 I say keep Cristina as the antagonist but give her another love interest and storyline; but Enrique has to go. We need to see Ana/Alberto together and happy with their son and possibly another child on the way.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 13, 2016 20:49:47 GMT -5
Spanish gossip news in the 60s in New York? about the meteoric career of a fashion designer in Europe? and Alberto Marquez bought them? the only european event which was televised everywhere (in some parts of Europe) was Eurovision en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest , Spain joined in 1961. Yes, you're right. I keep forgetting that it took place in the 50s/60s. I just hope Alberto comes back asap and not just only appears in the last episode of season 4. I just can't stand Carlos, Christina and Marco!! All this negativity, it isn't good for my heart π« What if Alberto comes back and becomes the head of Galerias Velvet with Ana by his side. They both run it. And offcourse, Mateo (married with Clara again) will be his co-partner. Everyone would be so happy Talking about a happy ending?πππ Alberto may or may not see Ana on TV but it is reasonable to assume he has a fashion store in NY and around early 1960 all the US fashion are follow European's trend because US was never strong in fashions till recent years. When you see the actors on the Red Carpet even today at the oscars most of them wear European designers gowns and so on. So he must have magazines at the time came from Europe ex. Vogue, I don't know why he did not discover Ana's fame and her biography in the magazines. 5 years is long time not to hear Ana when she is so well known.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 13, 2016 20:55:07 GMT -5
It's not fair, but it wouldn't surprise me. This season has been very off, so who knows what will happen. Oh, I am so hoping that C/C will fade into the background, except to get the harshest of punishments. I remember being so happy they dispensed with Cristina about 20 minutes into the S3 finale. I still question the point of bringing her back this season, she wasn't necessary at all. In fact the show would have been a lot better without her. I saw something a few weeks ago saying that PE implied that they will see what will happen this season and *maybe* bring it back. I don't put much weight into the post, because in totally contradicts everything that's been said. However, if it were to come back, even retitled, I would hope they finally cut loose the Otegui dead weight. Vilans make storylines interesting. If there were to be a season 5 I say keep Cristina as the antagonist but give her another love interest and storyline; but Enrique has to go. We need to see Ana/Alberto together and happy with their son and possibly another child on the way. No way! No more Cristina! She is the weakest storyline. At the beginning she was interesting because you were never sure about her character which way she will turn but now they turn her into totally evil. What will she be in Season 5; a pure Mother Theresa? Please!
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Post by primusoars on Nov 13, 2016 21:05:26 GMT -5
Valentin was fooling around with the gun, looking down the barrel, trying to fix something. All the while Enrique looks horrified and conflicted like he wants to tell him not to point the gun at his face like that, but also hopes he will shoot himself. I wonder if perhaps the gun went off and he accidentally shot himself. Does anyone else think that is how it might happen? While Valentin was looking down the barrel of the gun Enrique had his fingers hesitating at the trigger. I think he shot him...from where Valentin was standing it would have been impossible for him to pull the trigger on himself unless he moved off scene and he did it then. By the way it was held when it went off it would have been to his head or face and in the preview for the next episode his head was wrapped in bandages. No, I definitely think Enrique jumped at the opportunity. My, my Don Gerardo you raised two great kids!! Two psychopaths! I am so glad to see the friendships between the downstairs Velvet. It is so genuine and sweet especially Raul and others went to Rita's house to give her support. I like Valentin too! May be he is little geeky but he has a good heart and love Patricia unconditionally. Don't know what Patricia was thinking to hold up with Enrique. I hope this show won't let the villains get away.
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Post by Lara on Nov 13, 2016 21:16:01 GMT -5
It's not fair, but it wouldn't surprise me. This season has been very off, so who knows what will happen. Oh, I am so hoping that C/C will fade into the background, except to get the harshest of punishments. I remember being so happy they dispensed with Cristina about 20 minutes into the S3 finale. I still question the point of bringing her back this season, she wasn't necessary at all. In fact the show would have been a lot better without her. I saw something a few weeks ago saying that PE implied that they will see what will happen this season and *maybe* bring it back. I don't put much weight into the post, because in totally contradicts everything that's been said. However, if it were to come back, even retitled, I would hope they finally cut loose the Otegui dead weight. Vilans make storylines interesting. If there were to be a season 5 I say keep Cristina as the antagonist but give her another love interest and storyline; but Enrique has to go. We need to see Ana/Alberto together and happy with their son and possibly another child on the way. I think this season Carlos (ugh), Enrique and Marco were more than enough to fill the villain role. Cristina is not interesting and should have been done for in S3. If the show did come back by some miracle for S5, both Oteguis need to be gone and new antagonists can be introduced. I really don't feel they need the OTT villains they've had this season. Cristina was an add on to A/A storyline and that's where it should end. I personally would not be interested in watching her life at all; I just want her away from A/A already. Enrique needs to be jailed or if he gets away with it, leave Velvet. What the hell is he still doing there owning only 20% anyway, he is Marco's lackey. I have a feeling Ana is going to be pregnant at the very end since Alberto missed the whole first time. If they remember their history, there was a scene on the roof in S1 when Ana said she would be satisfied in a small apartment with him and their children, they'll have her expecting again.
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Post by Christine on Nov 13, 2016 21:29:17 GMT -5
Vilans make storylines interesting. If there were to be a season 5 I say keep Cristina as the antagonist but give her another love interest and storyline; but Enrique has to go. We need to see Ana/Alberto together and happy with their son and possibly another child on the way. I think this season Carlos (ugh), Enrique and Marco were more than enough to fill the villain role. Cristina is not interesting and should have been done for in S3. If the show did come back by some miracle for S5, both Oteguis need to be gone and new antagonists can be introduced. Cristina was on an add on to A/A storyline and that's where it should end. I personally would not be interested in her life at all; I just want her away from A/A already. Enrique need to be jailed or if he gets away with it, leave Velvet. What the hell is he still doing there owning only 20% anyway, he is Marco's lackey. I have a feeling Ana is going to be pregnant at the very end since Alberto missed the whole first time. If they remember their history, there was a scene on the roof in S1 when Ana said she would be satisfied in a small apartment with him and their children, they'll have her expecting again. Lara you sure have a vivid imagination pregnant another baby πΆ all this in two episodes? Did you forget that Alberto is coming back in episode nine or maybe even ten he will be busy beating the crap of Carlos comfronting Christina/Marco/and Enrique when is he going to have the time to make a baby before the show is over πππI love β€οΈ you.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 13, 2016 21:34:57 GMT -5
Vilans make storylines interesting. If there were to be a season 5 I say keep Cristina as the antagonist but give her another love interest and storyline; but Enrique has to go. We need to see Ana/Alberto together and happy with their son and possibly another child on the way. I think this season Carlos (ugh), Enrique and Marco were more than enough to fill the villain role. Cristina is not interesting and should have been done for in S3. If the show did come back by some miracle for S5, both Oteguis need to be gone and new antagonists can be introduced. I really don't feel they need the OTT villains they've had this season. Cristina was an add on to A/A storyline and that's where it should end. I personally would not be interested in watching her life at all; I just want her away from A/A already. Enrique needs to be jailed or if he gets away with it, leave Velvet. What the hell is he still doing there owning only 20% anyway, he is Marco's lackey. I have a feeling Ana is going to be pregnant at the very end since Alberto missed the whole first time. If they remember their history, there was a scene on the roof in S1 when Ana said she would be satisfied in a small apartment with him and their children, they'll have her expecting again. I hope so!
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