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Post by topaz on Jul 8, 2016 23:39:19 GMT -5
Another new interview with MAS with some juicy stuff in it...VV translated the pertinent points (thank you, VV!). Here's the translation...I've bolded the information that is especially new/most noteworthy: www.elperiodico.com/es/noticias/tele/miguel-angel-silvestre-desenlace-velvet-escenas-potentes-5232839So I think this is a pretty big deal...that something happened to Alberto in NYC that has made him a different person and could even provide enough material for a potential S5. As far as I can remember, this is the first time one of the cast members has even talked about where a S5 could go, and MAS seems particularly excited about whatever it is. Does anyone have any guesses? Hmmm....something that changed his life?? Maybe he was imprisoned or something. I really can't think of anything. Another person said, maybe he has cancer, but sounds like the typical soap opera plot where a loved one gets sick, then miraculously recovers in the next season. But if there is a season 5, I'm up for it. They should show Anna and roberto as this power couple.
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Post by northboundtrain on Jul 9, 2016 0:48:56 GMT -5
If true that Alberto is only in a few episodes this season, then that is disappointing. I'd like to see him in every episode fighting for Anna. I'd like to see him and Carlos get into another fight, lmao I wouldn't lose hope yet -- we don't know how many episodes he'll be missing...he might just miss one or two. It's hard to tell because they seem to be filming out of order. Hmmm....something that changed his life?? Maybe he was imprisoned or something. I really can't think of anything. Another person said, maybe he has cancer, but sounds like the typical soap opera plot where a loved one gets sick, then miraculously recovers in the next season. But if there is a season 5, I'm up for it. They should show Anna and roberto as this power couple. I'm not really sure either...nothing fits 100%. I keep going back to the question of WHY he stayed gone so long. I have a feeling that the answer to that question is also why Alberto's life has changed. A serious illness is possible. Imprisonment is possible. Or he could have somehow gotten mixed up in serious trouble that could follow him to Madrid in a potential S5.
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Post by northboundtrain on Jul 17, 2016 10:20:37 GMT -5
So we MAY have a spoiler for the premiere and some answers about what's going on with Alberto. The summary for the S4 premiere on IMDB has been updated with some interesting information. However, 1) ANYONE can send information in to IMDB, so this may be from a fan and not an official source, and 2) it doesn't make a whole bunch of sense. www.imdb.com/title/tt5167208/?ref_=ttep_ep1Here it is: What do you all think? On the one hand, if it's legit, it would explain the five year gap -- both why Alberto was gone for so long and why he's returning now. On the other hand, there are a number of holes to this (possible) spoiler. For example, as far as I can remember there was no mention in S3 of this deal only lasting five years; indeed, Alberto and Mateo were acting like he was giving up the business for good. Would they really have been so distraught if Alberto was going to be director again in just five years? Also, MAS has said that Mateo has to go fetch Alberto from New York because something big is happening at Velvet. Why would Mateo have to go get Alberto if Alberto SHOULD know this five year deal is up? If the IMDB spoiler is true, this is the only way I can get it to make sense with what we already know: Let's say that there was some sort of legal language in there about the Velvet shares reverting back to Alberto if the Italians did something they weren't supposed to do or DIDN'T do something they were supposed to do. (It can't be about Ana's success, because they were true to their word on that...it would have to be something else.) The legal language could have been seen by all parties as a formality because Alberto and the Italians would all believe that the Italians would hold up their end of the bargain...so Alberto would never get the company back. But if Alberto doesn't exercise his right at the five year mark, then the Italians keep Velvet forever. So once Mateo learns Alberto's alive, he'd have to rush to New York to get him and bring him back so he can take Velvet back at the five year mark. It doesn't explain how/why Alberto allowed everyone to believe he's dead for five years, but presumably that ties back to the "life-changing" thing MAS said happened in NYC. Or, of course, the "spoiler" could just be a fan guessing about the plot and not from someone who knows what's going on in the S4 premiere.
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Post by Lara on Jul 19, 2016 15:04:24 GMT -5
Oh wow, I don't know. I thought it was fake at first because of the spelling errors, but it could be translation screw up. It seemed to me like he sold the business outright. Why would the Caiferos agree to a temporary deal? He could have left Mateo in charge if that was the case. Your scenario is the only plausible one, if this synopsis is true. That there was a clause that the audience wasn't privy too that was violated. It's far fetched because he seemed determined to leave Velvet behind, but who knows. The only thing that might point in this direction is when he wrote in the letter to Ana that he would come back for her.
I've always thought Alberto would be out of Velvet once he came back. I couldn't imagine how he would get back to owning or even being the Director. If he does have another store, maybe they'll be a merger or the Caiferos want to sell their shares and Mateo gets him before the Orutegi's get a shot to own the business outright. Not sure how much money any of these characters have at this point for this to happen.The synopsis scenario does give them a way to give him back Velvet. Too bad we don't know the source of the information.
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Post by northboundtrain on Jul 19, 2016 20:07:10 GMT -5
Tiny spoiler from an interview with CV (Petra). She says she filmed one short but "wonderful" scene with her niece, MV, in an elevator. It sounds from the interview like that may be the only interaction Cristina and Petra have, but then again, the interview was conducted in June, so maybe there'll be more later. CV also says that she took the role so she could have the opportunity to work with JS (Emilio) -- she knows him from film, but she wanted a chance to work with him on TV. I thought that was sweet. Makes me even more excited to see the two of them together. Oh wow, I don't know. I thought it was fake at first because of the spelling errors, but it could be translation screw up. Yeah, the spelling gave me pause, but it could also be a sign that it's authentic. We know the Spanish entertainment magazines run all kinds of spoilers/pictures that we only get access to when someone over there scans the information to put it online. It could be that the IMDB information came from there. So I don't know. I don't want to say it's 100% legit, but I also don't want to dismiss it either. It's the most we've got until the show releases some sort of official preview of the first episode. I also had that impression, that he sold it outright. There was just too much angst about it from both Alberto and Mateo. This is why/how it goes back to the S5 question for me. If there's to be a S5 (which MAS seems to think is possible), I think Alberto needs to have Velvet back...I can't envision him being in Madrid and not also being in charge at Velvet. Maaaaybe the show could get away with building a S5 around Alberto fighting to get Velvet back from Marco, but even that is hard to imagine given how fond Enzo seems to be of Alberto.
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Post by primusoars on Jul 19, 2016 20:24:30 GMT -5
Oh wow, I don't know. I thought it was fake at first because of the spelling errors, but it could be translation screw up. It seemed to me like he sold the business outright. Why would the Caiferos agree to a temporary deal? He could have left Mateo in charge if that was the case. Your scenario is the only plausible one, if this synopsis is true. That there was a clause that the audience wasn't privy too that was violated. It's far fetched because he seemed determined to leave Velvet behind, but who knows. The only thing that might point in this direction is when he wrote in the letter to Ana that he would come back for her. I've always thought Alberto would be out of Velvet once he came back. I couldn't imagine how he would get back to owning or even being the Director. If he does have another store, maybe they'll be a merger or the Caiferos want to sell their shares and Mateo gets him before the Orutegi's get a shot to own the business outright. Not sure how much money any of these characters have at this point for this to happen.The synopsis scenario does give them a way to give him back Velvet. Too bad we don't know the source of the information. May be the 5 year contract is only apply to Ana being their designer and work for international market. S4 may show finally Ana is off the contract and free from Velvet store and she and Alberto start something else. It is interesting to guess.
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Post by Lara on Jul 20, 2016 22:12:59 GMT -5
If there is a S5, seems to be a huge if right now, I was thinking maybe they would take the A/A storyline out of Madrid, at least partially. If Alberto does have another business venture going on in NY, maybe Ana will get involved in that. I feel it might be a rehash if he fights to get Velvet back. I mean, he's been gaining and losing shares/power since S1. I also think the Italians seem to be good people who bought the shares in good faith. Who I wish was out is the Ortegis more than the Caiferos, who I kind of like so far. Maybe that synopsis is correct and there is a clause that would allow Alberto to retain the business. There were pictures of MAS in character at the store (I think they were from S4), whether he's visiting or in charge is the question. It would be weird seeing him visiting and not owning/running it. I also want him to make amends with Patricia. He did her dirty when he forced her to hand over the shares.
I would like to see Ana branch out, even though the show is called Velvet. Lol
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Post by primusoars on Jul 23, 2016 18:32:55 GMT -5
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Post by northboundtrain on Jul 24, 2016 10:55:34 GMT -5
New interview with one of the Bambu execs, AL (Pedro) and MH (Clara). Huge thank you to VV for the translation, because Google Translate had major issues with the article. First, most importantly, the Bambu exec acknowledges that this could be the last season, then says "you never know" if there will be more or not -- an indication that the ratings will determine whether there's a S5. Next, these are the comments from AL...I'm going to put VV's translation because I can't really do it justice if I try to paraphrase: And these are the comments from MH...again, the translation is VV's: MH is notoriously tight-lipped about spoilers...I've seen a few interviews with her about S4, and she gives very few details. AL's comments are interesting to me...I'm thinking he's either referring to Marco making everyone move OR to the fact that the audience will be seeing them as parents for the first time. If there is a S5, seems to be a huge if right now, I was thinking maybe they would take the A/A storyline out of Madrid, at least partially. If Alberto does have another business venture going on in NY, maybe Ana will get involved in that. I feel it might be a rehash if he fights to get Velvet back. I mean, he's been gaining and losing shares/power since S1. I also think the Italians seem to be good people who bought the shares in good faith. Who I wish was out is the Ortegis more than the Caiferos, who I kind of like so far. Maybe that synopsis is correct and there is a clause that would allow Alberto to retain the business. There were pictures of MAS in character at the store (I think they were from S4), whether he's visiting or in charge is the question. It would be weird seeing him visiting and not owning/running it. I also want him to make amends with Patricia. He did her dirty when he forced her to hand over the shares. I do feel like it would be a little different from the past because even though Velvet has always been in danger to some degree, he's never been on the outside looking in -- even when the Oteguis, Gloria, and Pilar were all coming after him, he remained the director. Their plots always failed. This time, he's got zero power...even less power than the Oteguis have. I can't see him being okay with that. Even if he wants to leave Velvet behind forever to start anew with Ana, I don't think he'd want to leave the Oteguis with even a fraction of power at Velvet. He'd find a way to get rid of them first and then leave if that's what he wanted to do. I agree that the Italians seem like good people, especially Enzo. That's why it's so hard for me to see Alberto fighting them for the store. I also really, really want an Alberto/Patricia scene. They have such a complicated relationship. Thank you for the article!
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Post by Lara on Jul 24, 2016 13:39:07 GMT -5
The Pedro/Rita stuff is interesting. It seems like all of them will go through changes of children, jobs, moving not just R/P and it says right from the first ep. It also effects a lot of people, hmm. I'm wondering if we are going to see the darkest season of Velvet yet.
I'm going out on a limb in saying I feel Alberto's done with Velvet. The reason being that MAS won't be on that much and I think they'll focus his limited time on where he's been and reuniting his family. Unless it falls into his lap in some way. You make a good point though, when all is said and done, I think he'll get the Ortegui's shares and, possibly, give them to Patricia or Enrique will sell them to her. That would be what she was rightfully entitled to in the first place. If the show wants to end on a truly dark note, Pilar will end up as owner. There's some recurring themes that run through every season, one is Pilar trying to get Velvet another is A/A leaving. There must be a reason for it. I hope the Pilar ownership never happens.
I'm wondering if the Netflix ratings will influence the decision to renew or cancel.
I agree with a lot of the article, but disagree about the acting and the writing. I actually think it is better written than some shows that are critical darlings. I think any female oriented, non violent dramas are always unfairly dismissed.
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Post by northboundtrain on Jul 24, 2016 19:13:06 GMT -5
I'm wondering if we are going to see the darkest season of Velvet yet. Ramon Campos did say that this season wouldn't be as comedic as S3 was, at least starting out. I'm fine with dark, as long as the characters' actions all make sense. I wish the show had done more with the Oxford/Velvet rivalry. You're right, Pilar is a really sinister character, and there's definitely more story to tell there. If Alberto doesn't keep Velvet, I don't know that I'd want it to stay with the Italians...it'd be more fitting for Patricia to end up in charge. I could be wrong about this, but I don't think so...I think Antena3's ratings in Spain are the ones that count the most. If Velvet's S4 ratings deliver, Antena3 would want to renew it. If the ratings slide, Antena3 would probably want to cancel it to make room for something else. That said, Bambu has a business agreement with Netflix...it's possible that Antena3 could cancel Velvet due to low ratings in Spain and Netflix could arrange for a S5 to air on Netflix, the way Netflix has done for other shows in the U.S. Yeah, I noticed the writer said that about the acting/writing, but then went on later in the article to talk about the compelling narrative and some outstanding performances. I think some TV critics, when watching romances like this, feel the need to say up front that they don't think it's actually good TV. I think the show has its flaws, but I would say the writing is solid (sometimes quite good) and nearly all of the performances are just stellar.
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Post by Lara on Jul 24, 2016 22:42:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm getting the vibe that it will go darker. I like the comedic touches, Rita especially makes me howl with laughter, especially in S1&2. Even the not supposed to be funny stuff appeals to my dark, bitchy sense of humor. I remember when Cristina pretended to become nauseas and she thanked Alberto for his concern and he replied he wasn't. ๐ณ๐
Sinister is the perfect word to describe Pilar. I felt her words were ominous when she spoke to Caifero. I would be so disappointed if she ever got Velvet. I would like the Marquez's to keep it, but I don't know if that's going to happen. There are too many hurdles to clear for that to happen. I sometimes think that maybe the show will come full circle and they'll all let go of the past and move on with their lives. I see it for A/A for sure, the store has been both a blessing and curse for them, and probably Emilio retiring and Blanca getting a new opportunity. Patricia, I'm not too sure about.
Here's to hoping ratings are strong in Spain and netflix๐๐ผ Yeah, the show is excellent. Like most shows, it definitely has its flaws, but for the most part it's very cohesively written and well acted. I also like the sets, well the workroom and living area is drab, but the store itself is beautiful and the dresses amazing.
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Post by wordwiz on Aug 1, 2016 9:41:37 GMT -5
So we MAY have a spoiler for the premiere and some answers about what's going on with Alberto. The summary for the S4 premiere on IMDB has been updated with some interesting information. However, 1) ANYONE can send information in to IMDB, so this may be from a fan and not an official source, and 2) it doesn't make a whole bunch of sense. www.imdb.com/title/tt5167208/?ref_=ttep_ep1Here it is: What do you all think? On the one hand, if it's legit, it would explain the five year gap -- both why Alberto was gone for so long and why he's returning now. On the other hand, there are a number of holes to this (possible) spoiler. For example, as far as I can remember there was no mention in S3 of this deal only lasting five years; indeed, Alberto and Mateo were acting like he was giving up the business for good. Would they really have been so distraught if Alberto was going to be director again in just five years? Also, MAS has said that Mateo has to go fetch Alberto from New York because something big is happening at Velvet. Why would Mateo have to go get Alberto if Alberto SHOULD know this five year deal is up? If the IMDB spoiler is true, this is the only way I can get it to make sense with what we already know: Let's say that there was some sort of legal language in there about the Velvet shares reverting back to Alberto if the Italians did something they weren't supposed to do or DIDN'T do something they were supposed to do. (It can't be about Ana's success, because they were true to their word on that...it would have to be something else.) The legal language could have been seen by all parties as a formality because Alberto and the Italians would all believe that the Italians would hold up their end of the bargain...so Alberto would never get the company back. But if Alberto doesn't exercise his right at the five year mark, then the Italians keep Velvet forever. So once Mateo learns Alberto's alive, he'd have to rush to New York to get him and bring him back so he can take Velvet back at the five year mark. It doesn't explain how/why Alberto allowed everyone to believe he's dead for five years, but presumably that ties back to the "life-changing" thing MAS said happened in NYC. Or, of course, the "spoiler" could just be a fan guessing about the plot and not from someone who knows what's going on in the S4 premiere.
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Post by wordwiz on Aug 1, 2016 9:49:27 GMT -5
What if, because we know that the contract the Cafieros signed, speculates the imperative of fair treatment toward the employees - some of the recent changes by the Italians, may be in violation of this clause. Hence, requiring Alberto's return, to correct things.
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Post by wordwiz on Aug 1, 2016 11:43:42 GMT -5
There have been a number of secrets, throughout, not yet revealed. How about if Alberto's father didn't actually commit suicide? What if he was pushed by his own wife (after all), she was the first one at the scene... well, she and Don Emilio. Also, what if something happened to change things, but Don Emilio, is the real owner of the fashion house? That's a possibility, because that is what Ana's mother had presumably told her (in S1, E1).
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