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Post by primusoars on Nov 20, 2016 21:34:46 GMT -5
primusours, I love that scene after hugging Ana where he cried. OMG I was so moved by that. I thought to myself, that is the last time he was going to see Ana ever because he was leaving. But what really got to me is how sensitive an actor Alberto or MAS is. Many times he really went above and beyond in his acting and caught the spirit of the moment with true integrity that one being the one that really stands out for me. Very interesting the story behind it. I'd watch a James bond movie with him in it. I tried watching sense8 but it was just too complicated for me personally. Too many moving parts...no kidding eh!! You know I think that's why S4 has very high ratings dispite all the negativity surrounding the story line is because real admirers of Velvet can't wait to see MAS again. I read the Velvet Facebook page, all the translations and women are begging "when Alberto return", in spanish of course. Velvet without MAS just isn't the same. He is Velvet!! Yes, I totally agree with you. There are people think when we critique the storylines because we just can't stand it when MAS is not in the show, I think it is more than that. Like you said Alberto is " Velvet". Without him no matter how much the other actor doing an excellent job I still feel something is missing. Watched S1 and S2 again I notice how vibrant each shot was and especially when Alberto was in the shot, remember the dance he had with Ana in the workroom and Clara, Pedro and Rita was also there, Ana ask him didn't you dance in London? The little shy smile on his face just so sweet and genuinely happy he was there at that moment.
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Post by Lara on Nov 20, 2016 22:20:47 GMT -5
primusours, I love that scene after hugging Ana where he cried. OMG I was so moved by that. I thought to myself, that is the last time he was going to see Ana ever because he was leaving. But what really got to me is how sensitive an actor Alberto or MAS is. Many times he really went above and beyond in his acting and caught the spirit of the moment with true integrity that one being the one that really stands out for me. Very interesting the story behind it. I'd watch a James bond movie with him in it. I tried watching sense8 but it was just too complicated for me personally. Too many moving parts...no kidding eh!! You know I think that's why S4 has very high ratings dispite all the negativity surrounding the story line is because real admirers of Velvet can't wait to see MAS again. I read the Velvet Facebook page, all the translations and women are begging "when Alberto return", in spanish of course. Velvet without MAS just isn't the same. He is Velvet!! Yes, I totally agree with you. There are people think when we critique the storylines because we just can't stand it when MAS is not in the show, I think it is more than that. Like you said Alberto is " Velvet". Without him no matter how much the other actor doing an excellent job I still feel something is missing. Watched S1 and S2 again I notice how vibrant each shot was and especially when Alberto was in the shot, remember the dance he had with Ana in the workroom and Clara, Pedro and Rita was also there, Ana ask him didn't you dance in London? The little shy smile on his face just so sweet and genuinely happy he was there at that moment. I think one of MAS major strengths as an actor, at least in Velvet, is his improvisation. It's the little, subtle things like pulling Ana close, shaking his head, even when the camera isn't directly on him, his winking. He conveys a lot through his eyes and his body language that it makes the viewer feel like they're watching something real instead of a piece of fiction. He's just very natural and it comes across on screen. He left a giant hole in the show. That's not to say that the show couldn't have still been good in S4 with better writing and less outlandish plots, it sure could have, but there would always be a void without him.
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Post by loveloulabel on Nov 20, 2016 23:22:47 GMT -5
Might I also say how much I LOVE Raul and how lovely he is! I'm hoping there will be some love in the end for him because he's so romantic with his chicas like with Rita when he learned about Pedro! He's the cutest. I also love the Clara and Mateo thing even though some have not loved it. Mateo loved her for her sassy nature and while I don't think her slapping him all the time was fun it was her impetuousness and they are meant to be together!!! I love Mateo. He's a true friend, a gentleman at heart and a sweetheart too. He has morals and values that lack in so many of the other male characters.
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Post by joyjoy on Nov 20, 2016 23:59:04 GMT -5
Cannot wait for the return of Alberto❣❣ He and Ana are my favorites!!! I love his romantic scenes with Ana. His eyes, his facial expressions are so real!! His sexiness reminds me of an older American actor(now deceased) Paul Newman!! I know it is too much to hope for but I hope to see him in similar roles. I also love the way he dresses in his three/piece suits and when he has his coat off and throws it over his shoulder. I love the way he walks and talks too!! I have so enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts and different opinions. Alfi is my favorite. It certainly can never be the same without her!! My message to Alfi is "If someone says something that hurts you, be like a duck and let it roll off of you like water rolls off of a duck"!! You are cherished by so many more! I look forward to your return!! WEALL NEED AND LOVE YOU❣❣❣🙏🙏😍😍💟💟
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Post by Cathy on Nov 21, 2016 0:15:48 GMT -5
Is this episode available with the subtitles yet?
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Post by marlito on Nov 21, 2016 2:35:23 GMT -5
Alfi, never mind about some negative comments regarding your life and culture in Spain. I have visited Spain several times and I love it, people are friendly there, just like most people in Velvet. I would be very happy if you join us back and recontribute your input in our blog.
I can not wait to see ep 7 with the English subtitle . Thank you VV!
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Post by Camille on Nov 21, 2016 7:28:04 GMT -5
Yes, I totally agree with you. There are people think when we critique the storylines because we just can't stand it when MAS is not in the show, I think it is more than that. Like you said Alberto is " Velvet". Without him no matter how much the other actor doing an excellent job I still feel something is missing. Watched S1 and S2 again I notice how vibrant each shot was and especially when Alberto was in the shot, remember the dance he had with Ana in the workroom and Clara, Pedro and Rita was also there, Ana ask him didn't you dance in London? The little shy smile on his face just so sweet and genuinely happy he was there at that moment. I think one of MAS major strengths as an actor, at least in Velvet, is his improvisation. It's the little, subtle things like pulling Ana close, shaking his head, even when the camera isn't directly on him, his winking. He conveys a lot through his eyes and his body language that it makes the viewer feel like they're watching something real instead of a piece of fiction. He's just very natural and it comes across on screen. He left a giant hole in the show. That's not to say that the show couldn't have still been good in S4 with better writing and less outlandish plots, it sure could have, but there would always be a void without him. What you all say I so true MAS really bring Alberto's character to life on the screen. His surpurb acting has made me laugh, cry and really miss his presence. I cannot wait for his return.
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Post by BK on Nov 21, 2016 14:00:56 GMT -5
The happy ending for Alberto and Ana was in S2. They did drive off together. Perhaps that should have been the end of it. Although I would have been crushed to not see Velvet again, it made better sense than all of this. It's taking 2 seasons to get that happy ending again. I wish they had used flashbacks of Ana and Alberto throughout this last season to remind us of their love. In it's absence we've fallen out of love with the 2. Really bad idea of the writers. It also would have provided continuity to the story of Alberto himself. I am committed to the end just because I belive in happy ending so I hope the writers have not failed me in this one desire. [[BK: I agree! Also, I wish they had filmed some scenes that supposedly took place over the 5 year gap, and had flashbacks to that period too. I think it would help the characters feel more like they had developed, and not just abruptly moved forward without (for the most part) not really changing.]] Overall, Ana has never been a "flashy" character even in her sucess she seems overtly practical and grounded. That's never as delicious as a character that has numerous flaws like Christina or Barbara. It's the writers intent, a sort of downton version of Velvet, to make distnctions between the monied class and those without. That's what makes the friendship between the Emilio, Rita, Clara, Luisa, lucia, Blanca, and Raul so much more attractive because that's what the monied class lacked, true friendship and loyalty. When Patricia became homeless, she had no one to turn to. Christina lived with cousins after Alberto dumped her and they didn't get along as just some examples. Ana has always had the watchful eye of Emilio, so she was never really allowed to express herself as one would if they had moved away from their parents. And Ana may never be like that. While others were partying Ana was sewing for her Philip Ray collection. I think that's why Alberto fell in love with her. Her dedication to hard work, her dreams and her ethics. You could almost say that is why Christina retuned to Velvet in S3 and S4 because she knew that's what Alberto most admired Ana for. She wanted to achieve that lofty position of having created something that Alberto would be proud of. That's a stretch but I think it has merit. Sadly, the reality is Christina didn't earn her place like Ana did, Christina inherited the position from her father. What dreams did Christina have? To marry Alberto! Raul recognized that albeit a bit too late about Ana, and the distinctions became clear who he would ally with because Christina betrayed him, numerous times. Ana never would. I think that's why Mateo came around to Ana, her drive to succeed but not at all costs. She won't cross that line. As opposed to Christina who did the unthinkable and caused his best friend to leave and then her untenable desire to hurt Ana. You're right when you say Ana is boring because in the last 2 seasons Christina, Enrique, Marco, Carlos and Patricia have become the focus of the story. It's not Ana. She has dissolved into the backstory of Velvet. We still want Ana and Alberto, but we can't because Alberto isn't with us. Perhaps you're right Ana isn't anything without Alberto. But then maybe that's the intent of the writers, to show that the spark Ana had for living was because she had Alberto but when he died a huge part of her did too. She's contenting herself with her collection, her family, her friends, and maybe a bit of Carlos too. She's settled. And we don't like it. But the writers want us to feel that. Life without Alberto is nothing. She'll come back to life when Alberto returns. That's why I continue to watch it dispite my feelings for where the show has gone. I could have lived with the S2 ending being the series finale. I always wanted to see A/A as a happy couple, but since we didn't really see that anyway, S2 ending would have worked nicely. Alberto has been gone way too long and the tease this season did not help their cause. It feels like a whole other show also, even though the same storylines are going on. I just wanted to see Ana break out of her chains and become dynamic in both personality and fashion. There's no excuse for how badly she's styled this year. She looked better as a seamstress. She's also achieved success so she shouldn't be exactly the same as she was, actually, she is much more lackluster than ever. I wish we could have seen her all glammed up going to parties, seeing how success changed her life, but not necessarily who she is at the core. Those are two different things. There's been nothing fun about her life, it stayed the same as when Alberto was there. For all her talk, it's just gotten more boring. Its 5 years and it's so sad to me what's become of her character. Despite Alberto 'death,' she should be more alive than she is. He wanted to give her the more exciting life she said she wanted and it just didn't happen. Alberto's depressed in NY and missing her, but even off camera they still manage to make his life more exciting and interesting than hers. She has definitely taken a backseat to nearly every other character. The worst being Cristina! Ana just can't catch a break on this show. Are they saying if she doesn't have Alberto or a man she can't have a front burner storyline? They already sent out a bad message by her taking back an abusive man. See above re: flashbacks. I think Ana and Alberto/PE and MAS's chemistry together is amazing, and that's always been one of my favorite parts of the show. But I disagree that Ana is a boring character--way back in the first season when Alberto and Cristina are playing truth-or-dare and Alberto describes his first love as this stubborn woman who will turn the world upside down (or whatever he says--I can't remember exactly) she sounds absolutely amazing--and it is completely true. (It's also great because is such a beautiful depiction of a man so obviously still in love with her.) As you both discuss more fully she is a quieter character, but not boring. Remember how withdrawn and un-alive Alberto got in the episode or two before he left in S3? When he says all the things he did and experienced weren't what made his life complete, but Ana's presence in it? I think they're going for here perfect a mirror image. But because it's so many more episodes, it is a drag on the mood. And after seeing the opening scene of the season, where Ana gets off the plane with all the photographers, I expected to see more of her glamorous professional life--I totally agree that would round out her life and counterbalance the depression her storyline has. But I think the dowdiness you complain about just has to do with 60s fashion, rather than the 50s. It's the rise of the sack dress, without the defined waist of the earlier decade, and Cristina and even Clara both look a lot more shapeless and less attractive in general. For women with breasts and a butt it's the least flattering. Personally, I like Ana's hair. With the pixie cut and suit sets and a-line(ish?) coast, even though we find Ana least appealing, I think she's most fashion forward of the bunch. The real reason I think Ana seems like SUCH a sad sack is that the stories are so unbalanced toward the sad and dark. First, we hardly see any fashion--no design, hardly any sewing. There's no life in the taller or in Velvet, either! Only boardroom coups and backroom power plays. Second, there are no couples to root for. I mean, I want Mateo and Clara together, but they're so far apart now, we don't see them kiss, or flirt, or anything, only hurt each other feelings. One of the best things in E7 was when Clara visited Mateo's office and smiled the whole time. Marco and Clara are horrible as are Carlos and Ana. Valentin and Patricia weren't really a couple, and now Patricia and Enrique are completely poisoned. They're basically the only two we see making out on the regular. Pedro and Rita have sex, I guess, but it's sad, maybe-this-is-the-last-time-we'll-ever-make-love-because-tomorrow-you-might-die sex. There used to be lightness and romance and sexy scenes. Now there's not. I'm hoping Raul-Humberto fills this void before Alberto comes back. If I have to see Blanca and Emilio have sex that might be it for me. I'm not sure what the ages of their characters are supposed to be exactly, probably closer than the actors, but I looked it up and in real life they're 31 years apart. Third, the story lines are depressing and/or not emotionally engaging: Cristina/Carlos, Valentin's murder, Rita's cancer all in the former. And as mentioned, Antonia and (in my opinion) Petra in the latter. What the hell was Antonia there for!? (Also, she ran away for a super-depressing reason.) And Petra (who also came into the story whenshe returned to take care of her sister who slowly and painfully died of cancer...) seems only to be there to point out Blanca's feelings to Emilio? Concha Velasco is totally wasted. That character is a big nothing. Four more unrelated things. For the more fluent/native Spanish speakers: in the scene where Marco chews out Enrique about Ana getting the publicity in Mateo's magazine, which Enrique and Patricia should be pursuing for the menswear line instead, did he say something about a deal between them involving Italian business? That seemed to imply Enrique going to Italy, maybe? Did I misunderstand? Second, I've decided Carlos (probably) loves Ana, but also hates her. I'm sure he doesn't recognize it, but her years of minor rejections and signals that he'll always come in second place to Alberto has twisted something inside of him--not as far as Cristina, but I think his character makes so much more sense if you see in it that yin-yang. He subconsciously WANTS to her hurt her as much as he wants to be with her and take care of her. Third, a lot of TV shows that have books or comics or stuff outside the episodes that are actually aired call them "non-canonical" and they aren't part of the official story. You can take them or leave them. So personally I'm choosing to consider the book not part of the Velvet story (though of course others can disagree!). And Lara: I want the Madres again too! And MAS's snorting <3
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Post by Lara on Nov 21, 2016 17:12:32 GMT -5
I could have lived with the S2 ending being the series finale. I always wanted to see A/A as a happy couple, but since we didn't really see that anyway, S2 ending would have worked nicely. Alberto has been gone way too long and the tease this season did not help their cause. It feels like a whole other show also, even though the same storylines are going on. I just wanted to see Ana break out of her chains and become dynamic in both personality and fashion. There's no excuse for how badly she's styled this year. She looked better as a seamstress. She's also achieved success so she shouldn't be exactly the same as she was, actually, she is much more lackluster than ever. I wish we could have seen her all glammed up going to parties, seeing how success changed her life, but not necessarily who she is at the core. Those are two different things. There's been nothing fun about her life, it stayed the same as when Alberto was there. For all her talk, it's just gotten more boring. Its 5 years and it's so sad to me what's become of her character. Despite Alberto 'death,' she should be more alive than she is. He wanted to give her the more exciting life she said she wanted and it just didn't happen. Alberto's depressed in NY and missing her, but even off camera they still manage to make his life more exciting and interesting than hers. She has definitely taken a backseat to nearly every other character. The worst being Cristina! Ana just can't catch a break on this show. Are they saying if she doesn't have Alberto or a man she can't have a front burner storyline? They already sent out a bad message by her taking back an abusive man. See above re: flashbacks. I think Ana and Alberto/PE and MAS's chemistry together is amazing, and that's always been one of my favorite parts of the show. But I disagree that Ana is a boring character--way back in the first season when Alberto and Cristina are playing truth-or-dare and Alberto describes his first love as this stubborn woman who will turn the world upside down (or whatever he says--I can't remember exactly) she sounds absolutely amazing--and it is completely true. (It's also great because is such a beautiful depiction of a man so obviously still in love with her.) As you both discuss more fully she is a quieter character, but not boring. Remember how withdrawn and un-alive Alberto got in the episode or two before he left in S3? When he says all the things he did and experienced weren't what made his life complete, but Ana's presence in it? I think they're going for here perfect a mirror image. But because it's so many more episodes, it is a drag on the mood. And after seeing the opening scene of the season, where Ana gets off the plane with all the photographers, I expected to see more of her glamorous professional life--I totally agree that would round out her life and counterbalance the depression her storyline has. But I think the dowdiness you complain about just has to do with 60s fashion, rather than the 50s. It's the rise of the sack dress, without the defined waist of the earlier decade, and Cristina and even Clara both look a lot more shapeless and less attractive in general. For women with breasts and a butt it's the least flattering. Personally, I like Ana's hair. With the pixie cut and suit sets and a-line(ish?) coast, even though we find Ana least appealing, I think she's most fashion forward of the bunch. The real reason I think Ana seems like SUCH a sad sack is that the stories are so unbalanced toward the sad and dark. First, we hardly see any fashion--no design, hardly any sewing. There's no life in the taller or in Velvet, either! Only boardroom coups and backroom power plays. Second, there are no couples to root for. I mean, I want Mateo and Clara together, but they're so far apart now, we don't see them kiss, or flirt, or anything, only hurt each other feelings. One of the best things in E7 was when Clara visited Mateo's office and smiled the whole time. Marco and Clara are horrible as are Carlos and Ana. Valentin and Patricia weren't really a couple, and now Patricia and Enrique are completely poisoned. They're basically the only two we see making out on the regular. Pedro and Rita have sex, I guess, but it's sad, maybe-this-is-the-last-time-we'll-ever-make-love-because-tomorrow-you-might-die sex. There used to be lightness and romance and sexy scenes. Now there's not. I'm hoping Raul-Humberto fills this void before Alberto comes back. If I have to see Blanca and Emilio have sex that might be it for me. I'm not sure what the ages of their characters are supposed to be exactly, probably closer than the actors, but I looked it up and in real life they're 31 years apart. Third, the story lines are depressing and/or not emotionally engaging: Cristina/Carlos, Valentin's murder, Rita's cancer all in the former. And as mentioned, Antonia and (in my opinion) Petra in the latter. What the hell was Antonia there for!? (Also, she ran away for a super-depressing reason.) And Petra (who also came into the story whenshe returned to take care of her sister who slowly and painfully died of cancer...) seems only to be there to point out Blanca's feelings to Emilio? Concha Velasco is totally wasted. That character is a big nothing. Four more unrelated things. For the more fluent/native Spanish speakers: in the scene where Marco chews out Enrique about Ana getting the publicity in Mateo's magazine, which Enrique and Patricia should be pursuing for the menswear line instead, did he say something about a deal between them involving Italian business? That seemed to imply Enrique going to Italy, maybe? Did I misunderstand? Second, I've decided Carlos (probably) loves Ana, but also hates her. I'm sure he doesn't recognize it, but her years of minor rejections and signals that he'll always come in second place to Alberto has twisted something inside of him--not as far as Cristina, but I think his character makes so much more sense if you see in it that yin-yang. He subconsciously WANTS to her hurt her as much as he wants to be with her and take care of her. Third, a lot of TV shows that have books or comics or stuff outside the episodes that are actually aired call them "non-canonical" and they aren't part of the official story. You can take them or leave them. So personally I'm choosing to consider the book not part of the Velvet story (though of course others can disagree!). And Lara: I want the Madres again too! And MAS's snorting <3 I have to disagree with you on the Ana's personality and her fashion. She has really been boring this season and has taken a backseat to nearly every character. It could be explained due to Alberto 'death' but she is very dumbed down and dull. The fact that every villain is playing her for a fool, especially one that professes to love her, also diminishes her character. This was the woman who told Alberto not to be naive in thinking Cristina would sign the annulment papers without a fight and she was right. She has zero spark this season. As far as the fashion, she doesn't seem to reflect the mid 60s from what I've seen of the 60s. Full disclosure, I wasn't even close to being born 1965, so I only know from what I've seen in the media. By the mid 60's it was the beginning of the British Invasion mini dresses/skirts, floral prints, bright colors, go-go boots, Mary Jane shoes and knee socks was what was in style. They also leaned to more form fitting from and clean lines from what I read, even the pill box hat was sort of passé by theen Ana's wardrobe looks like something soccer moms would wear (no offense to soccer moms) not a fashion forward designer of the moment. The wig she wears is terrible to me and ages her. I would love to have seen her really glammed up just once. An Audrey Hepburn type fitted dress, dripping in diamonds with a sleek hairdo. I agree about Cristina and Clara, they have also gone down fashion wise and they used to be two of the best dressed women. I agree wholeheartedly about the lack of workroom this season. I miss the days where a main storyline was about securing a designer and getting the collection out in time for the new season. Now it's cat and mouse with Marco/Enrique vs. Mateo/Ana. It's just not entertaining to watch Marco trying to come up with new ways to foil Ana every week. Now Ana's collection is done and we didn't even see her work on any of it! I miss the camaraderie of the workroom when it was Ana, Rita, Luisa,Lucia, even Pepita and the familiar seamstresses that never even spoke. I would have loved to have seen Ana's new professional life too and how her life has changed. As I said, it doesn't mean she forgot Alberto, but life goes on. Carlos has been by her side since Alberto died and that's not a great a look either. She's now willing to finally leave Velvet's living quarters to marry a man she doesn't love and who Alberto hated. They definitely needed a romance. I know this isn't everybody's thing, but I really would have been behind Mateo/Ana if Alberto wasn't coming back or even developing feelings that don't go anywhere. Even if they put Mateo would someone else, I would have liked to have seen that. I'm not a huge C/M fan as you can tell. Patricia and Enrique are vile. If I never saw those two again, I'd be happy. Emilio/Blanca I see no romance developing, but they will have each other as friends. Maybe they could have given Jonas a cute little romance. I am glad Raul will finally get a love interest. He was always so supportive of everyone else's relationships. I keep saying they decided to make this season plot driven over what it used to be character driven. The little interactions we loved are no longer useful to them. They would rather Enrique shoot and then smother poor Valentin than give us a scene with Jr. and Mateo. I 100% believe Carlos is resentful of Ana and it's more about punishing Ana than actually loving her and wanting to be with her at this point. I can't wait to see Cristina seething with rage when her plan fails and she sees Ana loved up with Alberto! Hopefully we'll see the Madres and Montesinos again.
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 21, 2016 17:41:04 GMT -5
I'm also not a fan of Ana's look this season. Both her hair and especially her clothing make her look matronly. This would be fine if she wasn't supposed to be a top designer. Not once this season have I been impressed by her wardrobe. I don't think Ana has ever been very exciting though. She has always seemed pretty passive to me and her success is really due to others. It never felt like she was the one putting herself out there. Emilio is the one who set her up and got her sewing for Dona Aurora, and then Alberto was the one who got her both the Airsa design and got the Cafeiro's to launch her international career. All her success has been handed to her by others. When she is with Alberto he makes her more interesting, just like she makes him a decent person. I find Alberto to be very aggressive, angry, sulky, selfish, etc. When he is with Ana he is nicer and more thoughtful. That's why I want them to be together, but also why I don't really care about them that much as a couple or separately. (I was thinking maybe I just don't really like MAS, but I loved him in Sense8!)
I definitely miss the camaraderie of the employees. I'm hoping we maybe get some more of the camaraderie and design aspect of the show back in the next episode or two with Ana's pret-a-porter line coming out.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 21, 2016 18:10:14 GMT -5
This might be an unpopular opinion, but Alberto is sort of frozen as he was, but Ana is not. Now I'm not sure they're still compatible. The show will ignore that, but I'm not so sure I can. I have to agree with you. But beyond that, their love also seems unrealistic at times... Very idealistic, but I am ok with that fantasy! As an example... I don't get how the pain Ana has caused Alberto by choosing to not be together so many times hasn't phased him at all. Why is he never really angry with her in a way that changes his love towards her. It's admirable that nothing has phase their love. Season 1 featured Ana's suffering, Season 2 Alberto's. The end of season 2 was a happy ending. Season 3 and 4 really make you question whether they are deserving of each other and still compatible given their own personal evolution. They have at times sabotaged their own happiness. But perhaps they have just never connected with anyone else on such a deep level, hopes and dreams, and they both are drawn to what is familiar to them. That's what must keep their bond so strong.
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Post by Gail on Nov 21, 2016 20:12:00 GMT -5
Just watched part one from Twitter season 4. Thanks for all the hard work.
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Post by Lara on Nov 21, 2016 20:28:17 GMT -5
I just saw the first part with the subs and I caught that Italy part too. It seems like Marco made a deal with Enrique, don't know if it was to sabotage Ana or something else, In exchange for Enrique maybe getting into their other Italian businesses. That's what it sounded like to me. I'm thrilled about this because I'm starting to feel that the evil ones will be out of Velvet. Marco mentioned he feels the store is slipping from him. Truthfully, Velvet is small potatoes for both these guys, especially for Enrique who owns only a small percentage.
Some other thoughts. Besides one line, they really did gloss over Pedro getting his job back. Seems unbelievable that Mateo and Ana could talk Marco into keeping him. Very sad about Valentin because the doctor said he would live, but they didn't know the extent of the damage. I guess this was the ep Ana's collection suddenly came together, but we really didn't see much. Didn't understand why it was such a big deal that Petra was returning to Argentina to anyone except Emilio. It seems that they will be doing a romance between Emilio and Blanca based on Petra observing how Blanca looks at him. I've never noticed that, but ok. I still don't understand if this is Ana's store or Velvet. Primusoars, I'm with you, I don't think I can take one more minute of Cristina's wretched face! Like seriously, she is hard to look at and watch at this point. I just want her gone, preferably in the most humiliating and painful way possible.
I agree with everything you said except Alberto's personality lol That's the one thing that has always frustrated me about Ana. She blamed jer lack of life on Alberto, but it was always her choice to stay at Velvet. If it wasn't for him, she would still be a seamstress and even as a designer her life is al ost exactly the same. He sacrificed again and again for her and all she did was push him away. While I do think Alberto can be a bastard and childish at times, I don't think think he's selfish, aggressive or angry. He's more what I would call aloof and an introvert, which is why he loves the few people close to him (Ana, Mateo) intensely. Sadly, the design and construction of Ana's new line is done and she won't even be on the next ep.
Absolutely. It's total fantasy and I have to admit sometimes I think it's to over the top. I thought falling in love at that young age was very far fetched, the teen years yes, but as 10 year olds, not really. Now they are trying it with the kids, who are supposed to be 5 years old. I'm sorry, but a 5 yr old boy isn't going to tell his mother 'isn't she pretty?' Or give a little girl a kiss in front of other kids and adults at a birthday party. It really dumbs everything down.
This show just sticks a couple together and that's the end of it, they are bonded for life. It takes away from what makes A/A relationship special. The only time Alberto was really mad at Ana was when she stood him up at the altar, but that was short lived. One thing he should have brought up to her was the fact that her letter is what caused him to give Gerardo shares in the company, which ultimately got both of them stuck with the Oteguis! Ana messed up their relationship much more than he did, but I guess we have to suspend disbelief. If it were realistic he would have given up after a couple of years in NY and tried to find another relationship. I mean they expect us to believe he was pining away for her for that long, but he didn't bother to once call or better yet, get on a plane? The end of S2 should have been their happily ever after, whether the show continued or ended. Their lack of ever finding lasting happiness makes me question if they are actually meant to be, especially after S3 when nothing was really standing in their way after Cristina was exposed. I do wish they could have built back up their relationship a little bit this season, but it was not meant to be.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 21, 2016 20:48:08 GMT -5
I have to agree with you. But beyond that, their love also seems unrealistic at times... Very idealistic, but I am ok with that fantasy! As an example... I don't get how the pain Ana has caused Alberto by choosing to not be together so many times hasn't phased him at all. Why is he never really angry with her in a way that changes his love towards her. It's admirable that nothing has phase their love. Season 1 featured Ana's suffering, Season 2 Alberto's. The end of season 2 was a happy ending. Season 3 and 4 really make you question whether they are deserving of each other and still compatible given their own personal evolution. They have at times sabotaged their own happiness. But perhaps they have just never connected with anyone else on such a deep level, hopes and dreams, and they both are drawn to what is familiar to them. That's what must keep their bond so strong. I don't agree that their love was unrealistic...or they may not be deserving of each other.A lot of things were at odds with this couple..one of them was the class divide that constantly questioned if Ana was suitable for Alberto..because of her background.Then Alberto inherited a business with financial woes...which eventually he was conned and roped into a marriage which didn't serve him well not even for the business...Then Alberto was immature and made impulsive and bad decisions like handing the family shares to the oteguis was a dumb move.Dont forget his stepmother and sister who were supposed to have his back,constantly backstabbed him and thwarted his relationship with Ana..the young man was overwhelmed and at the end of season 3..he went on self exile..not to mention his vicious crazy wife....Alberto went through some hard stuff!!! As for Ana she was equally naive and stubborn..sometimes very immature..Asking your fiancé to marry another woman...is a dumb idea.It did not solve their problems...that's why I called her naive..and when the opportunity presented itself for them to be married...she jilted him!!!It was puzzling..then the constantly breaking up with Alberto wasn't helping...the last breakup I was convinced they weren't getting back together..all of a sudden she was running around like a squirrel looking for Alberto at the airport...😂😂😂😂are you serious??I believe the separation will serve them well...Ana will gain a more matured man,and Alberto will also gain a matured woman who has rediscovered herself and a talented designer and mother.Both parents of a cute little boy...their love has evolved and matured weathering some hard times.❤️️❤️️
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 21, 2016 21:18:21 GMT -5
Lara, I can understand you disagreeing with me about Alberto's character because I know he is very beloved. However, I've been rewatching some of the first three seasons and have noticed two different times where Alberto has grabbed Ana just as aggressively as Carlos ever did and once ripped the phone out of Christina's hand in season one, slamming it down and yelling at her. I'm not saying he was unprovoked by Christina, but he is not a calm tempered person. I think we tend to overlook faults in characters we like (or justify them) when we don't do that for a character we don't like. I know I do it all the time!
On a different note, I was complaining about Ana's clothes, and then I watched the first half of the episode with subs (thank you so much VV!!). and noticed that Ana dress after Rita comes back to the store I actually kind of liked. So I guess I'm MAYBE being to harsh on her wardrobe. I still think it could be better, though!!
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