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Post by Admin on Nov 3, 2016 13:38:16 GMT -5
Please bear in mind this anti thread is for those who are frustrated where certain storylines are going this season. This thread is meant to be a place to vent your frustrations and so PLEASE be respectful toward each other. I don't want any arguments in here. I know things tend to get out of hand because not everyone will agree, so please just be respectful of everyone's different opinions. Not everyone will agree but i want to have a place where people can share their concerns. With that being said, you can voice your frustrations but please refrain from using any vulgar language.
This is an anti thread so those of you who don't have frustrations please don't pay any mind to this forum. I want to keep this place friendly and so this thread is meant to do that.
So, with that being said, what are your frustrations about where this season is going so far?
Note: I will shut this thread down and start banning people if it gets to be too much.
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Post by odbair on Nov 3, 2016 14:53:22 GMT -5
I don't even know where to begin...
I will say that I thought Pedro's acting in last night's episode was phenomenal.
I feel like the show has placed Cristina as the main character of the show. I am super frustrated that we haven't even heard Alberto's voice or anything about his character.
As far as Carlos, ugh.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 3, 2016 15:21:05 GMT -5
I don't even know where to begin... I will say that I thought Pedro's acting in last night's episode was phenomenal. I feel like the show has placed Cristina as the main character of the show. I am super frustrated that we haven't even heard Alberto's voice or anything about his character. As far as Carlos, ugh. I raised this question a lot previously but there is no good answer as why Christina is a central character of Velvet and Ana/Alberto seems a side show. Alberto will not be appearing too much in this season, he is moving on. The writers just try to wrap up however they can.
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Post by amh08 on Nov 3, 2016 20:00:25 GMT -5
I can't watch the show until Alberto comes back. I will be devasted and angry if Ana actually marries Carlos.
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Post by Lara on Nov 3, 2016 20:57:59 GMT -5
I'm glad we have this thread now where we can express our opinions freely. Seems like a lot of us are actually likeminded.
Amh- I'm not sure it even matters anymore about Alberto. He's coming later than expected and what can they possibly do with him in 2-3 eps besides the bare minimum. The question is will we still care? For me it's less and less. They've spent the entire season 4 and half of 3 dismantling the show we loved and the A/A relationship. I even forgot why I want them together! You can't have the lead couple separated this long and then give them a magical happy ending. S2 did it the right, they built them up and then had them get together. They will say they are the same characters, but they're not. Alberto expected Ana to wait 5 years and never made contact except sending stupid letters that were never answered. He sent Adele, yet we never heard a thing about her again and apparently she told him nothing. Insane. Ana never expressed guilt about pushing him away, invited an abusive man Alberto hated back into her life, she's super naive now, and has become sort of matronly and dull. Not to mention accepting a marriage proposal from a guy she doesn't love because she was manipulated into it and knew she was being manipulated into it. I have always been more of an Alberto fan, but MAS has moved on. A part of me wishes they would have not done then pregnancy thing with Ana and just said Alberto found happiness elsewhere. Then put Ana with Mateo this season. If they didn't make him so twisted, I wouldn't even care if she married Carlos.
Prim- yeah, you've been saying that for a while. I don't know if I would call her the star, but she is in the more flashy role (though I find her to be a bore) and has had the upper hand on the show way longer than Ana or Alberto. So even of she gets hers in the end, there was more to enjoy if you are a fan of hers. With her plotting continuing and few eps left, she will most likely come out of this unscathed as always.
My friend asked this question and I've been wondering it myself... Does anyone know if the writers are the same as in seasons 1&2?
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Post by shari on Nov 3, 2016 21:15:44 GMT -5
Lara, About Adele. After reading the last chapter of the book that Alfi just translated for us, It seems that even though Adele was supposed to have been sent by Alberto, it sort of seemed like she went on her own to find out about Ana and see the red dress, because in that chapter she is back in NY and is accepting that she will never have him again, but she goes to an event where he is speaking, dressed in a copy of the red dress with her combed like Ana's and wearing a mask in an attempt to "have him one last time." This would explain why she didn't tell him that everyone at Velvet thinks he is dead. It does not explain, however, why she sent a letter from Spain to Alberto telling him that she had arrived at Velvet and would soon meet Ana. And she has not yet been back to Velvet to pick up the dresses she wants to take back with her.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 3, 2016 21:37:01 GMT -5
Lara, About Adele. After reading the last chapter of the book that Alfi just translated for us, It seems that even though Adele was supposed to have been sent by Alberto, it sort of seemed like she went on her own to find out about Ana and see the red dress, because in that chapter she is back in NY and is accepting that she will never have him again, but she goes to an event where he is speaking, dressed in a copy of the red dress with her combed like Ana's and wearing a mask in an attempt to "have him one last time." This would explain why she didn't tell him that everyone at Velvet thinks he is dead. It does not explain, however, why she sent a letter from Spain to Alberto telling him that she had arrived at Velvet and would soon meet Ana. And she has not yet been back to Velvet to pick up the dresses she wants to take back with her. I don't think that the book and S4 is connected. The book is a way to give women that love MAS an outlet. So the Adele in the series serve different purpose from the book.
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Post by Lara on Nov 3, 2016 21:38:39 GMT -5
Lara, About Adele. After reading the last chapter of the book that Alfi just translated for us, It seems that even though Adele was supposed to have been sent by Alberto, it sort of seemed like she went on her own to find out about Ana and see the red dress, because in that chapter she is back in NY and is accepting that she will never have him again, but she goes to an event where he is speaking, dressed in a copy of the red dress with her combed like Ana's and wearing a mask in an attempt to "have him one last time." This would explain why she didn't tell him that everyone at Velvet thinks he is dead. It does not explain, however, why she sent a letter from Spain to Alberto telling him that she had arrived at Velvet and would soon meet Ana. And she has not yet been back to Velvet to pick up the dresses she wants to take back with her. Yeah, that note was an indicator that the two things were separate. She definitely confirmed to him that she was at Velvet. I would say she might have an agenda, but she seemed sincere and we have never heard or seen her again. I thought Adele would be Cristina's race against the clock to get her plan in motion, but it hasn't factored in at all. Carlos not asking the source of the information was also a huge plot hole. If Cristina could find out, couldn't anybody else, including Ana? A couple of other things I don't like... Why has Jr. only had scenes with Emilio and Carlos and none with Mateo or Patricia? They all work in the store too. About Clara, I always go back and forth with her, but the fact that her sister is in the fight of her life and she is slapping her ex-husband of 4 years for seeing other women is juvenile and ridiculous. I don't care why they divorced, they are divorced and they are both free to date and sleep with other people. Another reason why I would have liked Mateo with Ana.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 3, 2016 22:14:59 GMT -5
I'm glad we have this thread now where we can express our opinions freely. Seems like a lot of us are actually likeminded. Amh- I'm not sure it even matters anymore about Alberto. He's coming later than expected and what can they possibly do with him in 2-3 eps besides the bare minimum. The question is will we still care? For me it's less and less. They've spent the entire season 4 and half of 3 dismantling the show we loved and the A/A relationship. I even forgot why I want them together! You can't have the lead couple separated this long and then give them a magical happy ending. S2 did it the right, they built them up and then had them get together. They will say they are the same characters, but they're not. Alberto expected Ana to wait 5 years and never made contact except sending stupid letters that were never answered. He sent Adele, yet we never heard a thing about her again and apparently she told him nothing. Insane. Ana never expressed guilt about pushing him away, invited an abusive man Alberto hated back into her life, she's super naive now, and has become sort of matronly and dull. Not to mention accepting a marriage proposal from a guy she doesn't love because she was manipulated into it and knew she was being manipulated into it. I have always been more of an Alberto fan, but MAS has moved on. A part of me wishes they would have not done then pregnancy thing with Ana and just said Alberto found happiness elsewhere. Then put Ana with Mateo this season. If they didn't make him so twisted, I wouldn't even care if she married Carlos. Prim- yeah, you've been saying that for a while. I don't know if I would call her the star, but she is in the more flashy role (though I find her to be a bore) and has had the upper hand on the show way longer than Ana or Alberto. So even of she gets hers in the end, there was more to enjoy if you are a fan of hers. With her plotting continuing and few eps left, she will most likely come out of this unscathed as always. My friend asked this question and I've been wondering it myself... Does anyone know if the writers are the same as in seasons 1&2? If the writer would spend their energy and resources to develop the relationship between Ana and Mateo that will be really interesting, fresh and complicated. Because this two have deep respect and love toward Alberto and that's what binds them together. This will be better than waiting for Alberto come back. You are touching on something very incredible but NO, they choose the easy way out
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Post by Lara on Nov 3, 2016 22:59:43 GMT -5
I'm glad we have this thread now where we can express our opinions freely. Seems like a lot of us are actually likeminded. Amh- I'm not sure it even matters anymore about Alberto. He's coming later than expected and what can they possibly do with him in 2-3 eps besides the bare minimum. The question is will we still care? For me it's less and less. They've spent the entire season 4 and half of 3 dismantling the show we loved and the A/A relationship. I even forgot why I want them together! You can't have the lead couple separated this long and then give them a magical happy ending. S2 did it the right, they built them up and then had them get together. They will say they are the same characters, but they're not. Alberto expected Ana to wait 5 years and never made contact except sending stupid letters that were never answered. He sent Adele, yet we never heard a thing about her again and apparently she told him nothing. Insane. Ana never expressed guilt about pushing him away, invited an abusive man Alberto hated back into her life, she's super naive now, and has become sort of matronly and dull. Not to mention accepting a marriage proposal from a guy she doesn't love because she was manipulated into it and knew she was being manipulated into it. I have always been more of an Alberto fan, but MAS has moved on. A part of me wishes they would have not done then pregnancy thing with Ana and just said Alberto found happiness elsewhere. Then put Ana with Mateo this season. If they didn't make him so twisted, I wouldn't even care if she married Carlos. Prim- yeah, you've been saying that for a while. I don't know if I would call her the star, but she is in the more flashy role (though I find her to be a bore) and has had the upper hand on the show way longer than Ana or Alberto. So even of she gets hers in the end, there was more to enjoy if you are a fan of hers. With her plotting continuing and few eps left, she will most likely come out of this unscathed as always. My friend asked this question and I've been wondering it myself... Does anyone know if the writers are the same as in seasons 1&2? If the writer would spend their energy and resources to develop the relationship between Ana and Mateo that will be really interesting, fresh and complicated. Because this two have deep respect and love toward Alberto and that's what binds them together. This will be better than waiting for Alberto come back. You are touching on something very incredible but NO, they choose the easy way out Yes, it would have been. They gave some little teases, but it's highly unlikely. It seems like the writers are incapable of coming up with anything new and fresh, I guess they are limited in their craft. Maybe all they know how to write is tired old repetitive novelas. Though this show didn't start out as a novela because I would never have started watching it if it was! Alberto is a very charismatic character, both Ana and Mateo have always been somewhat in his shadow. A/M feel very equal and compatible in their scenes. I am hoping when Alberto comes back the A/A magic will reappear, but like I said, its been a very long time since they have been onscreen together and no communication at all. At this point and time she and Mateo have been constants in each others lives and on our screens. I guess it shows any super couple can be split and put with new partners if it was done right and the chemistry works.
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Post by Kelly on Nov 4, 2016 8:55:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I am so over it. I didn't even watch it this past Weds and will be away for the next 2 weeks overseas and I am looking forward to missing some episodes thinking over the next 3 weeks something interesting SHOULD happen. I was invested in S 1&2 which propelled season 3 interest but the 5 year jump just didn't work for me. Ana seems like a completely different character. It's near impossible to keep an audiences vested interest in a love story when the male lead is missing for what may be 1+ season of the 4. It had a lot of potential but seems to just be rehashing everything from season 1&2. A time in between is on Netflix and starts slow but has been good so far. It's hard to see the actor who portrays Carlos in velvet in a positive light while watching it. I kept waiting for him to betray or scheme
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Post by Christine on Nov 4, 2016 12:12:41 GMT -5
There's a show on Netflix called THE FALL if anyone is interested in seeing a series with excellent writing.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 4, 2016 12:33:40 GMT -5
What's more obvious, is when I prefer to read this blog than actually watching the S4 of Velvet! Someone on the spolier thread said it best, when I watch the show it's always bad news. I am not even as impatient to watch E5 with subtitles as in previous episodes because I'm not that invested anymore. That is sad as I used to binge watch Velvet sometimes into the wee hours of the night just to catch the next and the next episode after that. Where's the love, the humor, the occassional win for the protanganist that kept us going? The only persons winning are the axis of evil. I'm tired of it. As Alberto used to say "everything is upside down". They should have ended the S in S2. Happy ever after. There has been nothing gained with S3, except for Christina, whose become the star of the show and now this disaster S4 where everyone other than Ana are filled with disdain and hate. Not the show I originally bought into hook line and sinker.
The writing was on the wall when MAS left to pursue other interests. You can't run a show without the main protagonist and not expect to lose the audience. What would have made perfect sense was to show Mateo and Ana bonding over the loss of their dear friend Alberto and finding love between them. I may have accepted that then Ana returning to Carlos who she is not in love with and then rallying around Rita as she beats her cancer scare. There is no need for this complete and total axis of evil. Do they all have to be against Ana? Can't anyone other than Mateo be on her side? Patricia? Raul? Raul seems so caught up in his own drama that he seems completely unaware what's being planned against Ana by Christina or Marco. What no hints at all?
I've said this a million times, they should have included flash backs so that Alberto absence isn't completely missed. It would have provided context and substance to the story. Moreover, where's the integrity of the scenes? They introduce Adele and then nothing! One scene with her on the phone talking to Alberto would have given us a hint of his return. Why does his absence have to be a complete mystery? WTF we know where he is!! Why can't there be anything alluding to his presence? His return. Why wait until he's physically present?
My oh my...
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 4, 2016 12:34:46 GMT -5
I've watched "The Fall" really really good show!!
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Post by Krys on Nov 4, 2016 12:44:58 GMT -5
I am really frustrated re: Patricia. At the end of last season, it seemed like she and Ana might bond but they haven't even had any scenes together at all. I would've liked to see Patricia plainly stating she's on Ana's side - I understand why they have Mateo and Ana as a united front, but imagine if Patricia were there too? That would've been amazing. Also, I thought Patricia might have a sweet relationship with Alberto Jr, but we've yet to see if that's true or not either. I think it'd be interesting to see her interact with her nephew, especially now that she's pregnant.
Also, I cannot believe that Patricia will most likely end up with Enrique. OF ALL PEOPLE. The only way I can possibly accept this is if he somehow redeems himself (maybe finding out about Alberto through Cristina, then telling Patricia who tells Ana), but he seems as evil as ever. And considering what he may do to Valentin! Just. It makes no sense. I always appreciated Patricia as a grey character, never truly on either side, but this thing with Enrique... :/
I'm afraid when Alberto comes back, his relationship with Patricia won't even be addressed. Like, they'll get a reunion hug and that's it. They'll each move on to their own storylines.
I do like that Patricia still doesn't like Cristina. There's that, at the very, very least. lol
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