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Post by Admin on Oct 11, 2017 21:52:16 GMT -5
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Post by alfi on Oct 12, 2017 5:50:09 GMT -5
In this episode the new Velvet is taking form and I'm beginning to like it. A bit sad because of Rita's tragic demise, but it was expected. I'm loving the new Enrique, he is very aggressive and very cool "evil" character now. Just a bit of a cultural info about "la emperatriz" or "the empress", Mónica Cruz's character. She is based on Lola Flores, a famous multi-faceted Spanish artist nicknamed "la faraona" or "the (female) pharaoh". Her tanned looks were a bit deceiving, since she only had gypsy ancestry from a grandmother, but she married a gypsy guitarist "El pescaílla" to form a very famous gypsy clan in Spain "los Flores". Both her daughters, Lolita and Rosario are singers pretty well known in Spain and Latin America, her son Antonio (a singer and amazing composer himself) tragically died after her death because of a drug overdose. If some of you have watched "El internado" ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N9iInZ5ln8&t ) , her granddaughter Elena Furiase is one of the kids. Antonio's daugther, Alba Flores is also an actress, she is in "Locked Up" ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HRar0PGC-g ) and "The time in between" ( www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CfVkmaCPbE ). Lola Flores was like a hurricane, a woman full of energy, with a lot of love affairs before her marriage (one was with a Real Madrid player). She lived a very scandalous life in Franco's era. Here some clips of her and family: La Zarzamora: www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eAozoZiPv0Ay pena, penita pena : www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hn96uHkthURosario - Tu boca: www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoRarCUw55YLolita and Rosario singing together: www.youtube.com/watch?v=okdL311i6PMAntonio Flores - No Duraria (i liked him a lot): www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yTILI-nkXwThese clips have nothing to do with the Flores's clan but it's (two of the few) flamenco songs i love, Buika sings : Jodida pero contenta: www.youtube.com/watch?v=E58_5-FC3k4Oro Santo : www.youtube.com/watch?v=qenGMo5VbHQ
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Post by madamminna on Oct 13, 2017 6:47:19 GMT -5
Alfi, thanks for the fascinating context. It's great to get bits of Spanish history in this show (although I always found it strange that Franco was never mentioned on Velvet at all).
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Post by Admin on Oct 13, 2017 13:53:25 GMT -5
Thanks for that info alfi! I'm always fascinated to learn more about the cultural context in shows And I agree Enrique has changed quite a bit. lol
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Post by alfi on Oct 14, 2017 6:36:34 GMT -5
Alfi, thanks for the fascinating context. It's great to get bits of Spanish history in this show (although I always found it strange that Franco was never mentioned on Velvet at all). Phew, that's a very complex question that can become a nightmare to explain . The dictatorship period was hinted with De la Riva storyline, but making Franco more prominent would have politicized too much a show that was not conceived to be not just only a drama, but a political show in any sense. Civil wars are very painful, and the Spanish is still very recent. Not only that, after the war finished, Franco's repression of the republican side was brutal during the first decade, a decade with an international blockade, too much pain. When Velvet starts that period was over though, the Marshal Plan arrived, Europe opened its doors to Spain again, and things begun to change for the better. And since the show tries to be positive and it's a fairy tale at the core, removing Franco's name, in an exercise of mental blocking of a bad experience everyone have done in their lives, is OK, for me at least. If you want a good film about that dark decade in Spanish history: "Pan's Labyrinth" www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7XGNPXdlGQ from Guillermo del Toro. It's quite telling that there are very few movies (if any) about Franco's repression made in Spain, this one was an American/Mexican/Spanish production. Though you can argue that the civil war from a cinematographic point of view is easier to portray and sell, who knows.
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Post by madamminna on Oct 14, 2017 15:39:02 GMT -5
Thanks, Alfi. I can see why the writers and creators made that choice, although the series overall seemed (in my opinion) to be over-Americanized; for instance, I would have loved to have heard some real Spanish songs that were popular there in the 1950s instead of everything being in English and/or doo-wop. I thought that the erasure of Franco might have been part of a plan to appeal to American audiences who (sadly, embarassingly) might not be familiar with Franco or wouldn't care to learn. Obviously that is a generalization and not the case with all Americans (present company included).
I remember reading the Spanish-language forom for Velvet on Vogue, and many of those viewers thought the show misrepresented their mothers' and grandmothers' experiences during that time, to its detriment. I did see Pan's Labyrinth a long time ago but I'll watch it again.
On a more frivolous note, is Patricia never coming back? I'm not sure what the actress is up to, but I wish she'd show up and make a play for the new-and-improved Jonas/Jota. I also want Humberto back for Raul!
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Post by alfi on Oct 14, 2017 16:59:59 GMT -5
MAS in an interview about Velvet spoke about how the producers Ramon Campos and Teresa Fernandez Valdez (who are married btw) approached him with the idea of Velvet. Teresa told him that she wanted to make a show for her girlfriends, Ramon intervened saying something like "well also for us men" and she cut him with a "tú te callas"/"you shut up". So that means the main target of the show are middle age women in their 30s and 40s who have grown listening music from the 80s and 90s, both in Spanish and English, who didn't really experience the dictatorship nor the Spanish music of the fifties.
The fact that they "erased" Franco and the use of american music I think are correlated in order to paint a more idealized Spain. Would they have used Spanish music from that era, I think it would have broken that magic of their own version of Spain's 50s. Social media brings the opinion of many people who can freely express their dislike about anything, like the music used in any show, but the success of Velvet is so overwhelming big that in perspective their complaints about misrepresenting the music seem a bit silly now. TV shows are made for entertainment and making money while doing that, trying to please everyone not only is impossible, also dilutes your product making everything insipid, my opinion of course. I love the music, in fact for me it's a main signature of the show. The idea to appeal to non-Spanish speaking countries (not just USA) using american music is quite possible as well, since it's very popular all over the world, but the main target was always Spain and they hit the target.
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Post by alfi on Oct 14, 2017 17:03:21 GMT -5
I think Humberto was in the trailer of the show though i'm not sure, maybe he will make a guest appearance. Miriam Giovanelli is with other projects like Manuela Velasco so they are not expected to be in the show, at least for the moment. Edit. Curiosities about the show los40.com/los40/2017/07/14/cinetv/1500013839_010927.html#9. In this spin off there will be great absences. They have confirmed they will not be present: José Sacristán (Don Emilio), Miriam Giovanelli (Patricia Márquez), Manuela Velasco (Cristina Otegui) o Miguel Ángel Silvestre (Alberto Márquez). #10. Amaia Salamanca (Bárbara) and Aitor Luna (Humberto Santamaría) don't totally disappear and will give us some cameo appearence. Jose Sacristán did a cameo as well though.
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Post by madamminna on Oct 14, 2017 17:33:37 GMT -5
Yes, I definitely see why they made their choices, and clearly they worked for me, too, as I will watch anything and everything Velvet-related! And I'm inspired to look up 1950s Spanish music in my own time. And I can't fault any country for wanting a break from bleak reality; many here could use such a break right now. Thanks for the info about the cameos--I'm glad Humberto and Barbara will be back. I also wonder if Max might show up seeking a job at the new store, encountering a newly widowed Blanca... a girl can dream!
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Post by Nat on Oct 15, 2017 14:12:00 GMT -5
Thanks again for the subs Sadly episode 3 doesn't seem to be working for me - comes up with a message saying 'An error has occurred try again later' Anyone else having a problem?
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Post by alfi on Oct 15, 2017 15:42:32 GMT -5
Yup, the streaming service is down but you can still download the episode though. You have the download button in top-right part, you will be sent to another google page with a "download anyways" button, press to start.
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Post by Nat on Oct 18, 2017 12:58:19 GMT -5
Yup, the streaming service is down but you can still download the episode though. You have the download button in top-right part, you will be sent to another google page with a "download anyways" button, press to start. Awesome, thanks so much for letting me know!!
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more episodes please?
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