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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 19, 2016 9:48:47 GMT -5
The happy ending for Alberto and Ana was in S2. They did drive off together. Perhaps that should have been the end of it. Although I would have been crushed to not see Velvet again, it made better sense than all of this. It's taking 2 seasons to get that happy ending again.
I wish they had used flashbacks of Ana and Alberto throughout this last season to remind us of their love. In it's absence we've fallen out of love with the 2. Really bad idea of the writers. It also would have provided continuity to the story of Alberto himself. I am committed to the end just because I belive in happy ending so I hope the writers have not failed me in this one desire.
Overall, Ana has never been a "flashy" character even in her sucess she seems overtly practical and grounded. That's never as delicious as a character that has numerous flaws like Christina or Barbara. It's the writers intent, a sort of downton version of Velvet, to make distnctions between the monied class and those without. That's what makes the friendship between the Emilio, Rita, Clara, Luisa, lucia, Blanca, and Raul so much more attractive because that's what the monied class lacked, true friendship and loyalty. When Patricia became homeless, she had no one to turn to. Christina lived with cousins after Alberto dumped her and they didn't get along as just some examples. Ana has always had the watchful eye of Emilio, so she was never really allowed to express herself as one would if they had moved away from their parents. And Ana may never be like that. While others were partying Ana was sewing for her Philip Ray collection. I think that's why Alberto fell in love with her. Her dedication to hard work, her dreams and her ethics. You could almost say that is why Christina retuned to Velvet in S3 and S4 because she knew that's what Alberto most admired Ana for. She wanted to achieve that lofty position of having created something that Alberto would be proud of. That's a stretch but I think it has merit. Sadly, the reality is Christina didn't earn her place like Ana did, Christina inherited the position from her father. What dreams did Christina have? To marry Alberto!
Raul recognized that albeit a bit too late about Ana, and the distinctions became clear who he would ally with because Christina betrayed him, numerous times. Ana never would. I think that's why Mateo came around to Ana, her drive to succeed but not at all costs. She won't cross that line. As opposed to Christina who did the unthinkable and caused his best friend to leave and then her untenable desire to hurt Ana.
You're right when you say Ana is boring because in the last 2 seasons Christina, Enrique, Marco, Carlos and Patricia have become the focus of the story. It's not Ana. She has dissolved into the backstory of Velvet. We still want Ana and Alberto, but we can't because Alberto isn't with us. Perhaps you're right Ana isn't anything without Alberto. But then maybe that's the intent of the writers, to show that the spark Ana had for living was because she had Alberto but when he died a huge part of her did too. She's contenting herself with her collection, her family, her friends, and maybe a bit of Carlos too. She's settled. And we don't like it. But the writers want us to feel that. Life without Alberto is nothing. She'll come back to life when Alberto returns. That's why I continue to watch it dispite my feelings for where the show has gone.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 19, 2016 11:23:37 GMT -5
Alberto is the heart of the velvet show.He lightens up the place with his handsome smile and swag.When he gets angry he shakes up the whole place..His lovey dovey puppy eyes he makes around Ana,his body language is so cute to watch.❤.
His absence in season 4 is hard to watch sometimes. ..but I do believe when he eventually shows up..with Mateo having filled him in with all the actions going on..the remaining episodes are going to be filled with intense drama.Believe me when I tell you with Alberto back in the picture. .Carlos and Ana's wedding is going to be interesting to watch. ..if it ever happens.😏
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Post by finnish hola on Nov 19, 2016 11:57:57 GMT -5
Waiting for the 7th episode... more than ever  The moment when Mateo will get the letter! |
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Post by Lara on Nov 19, 2016 14:19:41 GMT -5
The happy ending for Alberto and Ana was in S2. They did drive off together. Perhaps that should have been the end of it. Although I would have been crushed to not see Velvet again, it made better sense than all of this. It's taking 2 seasons to get that happy ending again. I wish they had used flashbacks of Ana and Alberto throughout this last season to remind us of their love. In it's absence we've fallen out of love with the 2. Really bad idea of the writers. It also would have provided continuity to the story of Alberto himself. I am committed to the end just because I belive in happy ending so I hope the writers have not failed me in this one desire. Overall, Ana has never been a "flashy" character even in her sucess she seems overtly practical and grounded. That's never as delicious as a character that has numerous flaws like Christina or Barbara. It's the writers intent, a sort of downton version of Velvet, to make distnctions between the monied class and those without. That's what makes the friendship between the Emilio, Rita, Clara, Luisa, lucia, Blanca, and Raul so much more attractive because that's what the monied class lacked, true friendship and loyalty. When Patricia became homeless, she had no one to turn to. Christina lived with cousins after Alberto dumped her and they didn't get along as just some examples. Ana has always had the watchful eye of Emilio, so she was never really allowed to express herself as one would if they had moved away from their parents. And Ana may never be like that. While others were partying Ana was sewing for her Philip Ray collection. I think that's why Alberto fell in love with her. Her dedication to hard work, her dreams and her ethics. You could almost say that is why Christina retuned to Velvet in S3 and S4 because she knew that's what Alberto most admired Ana for. She wanted to achieve that lofty position of having created something that Alberto would be proud of. That's a stretch but I think it has merit. Sadly, the reality is Christina didn't earn her place like Ana did, Christina inherited the position from her father. What dreams did Christina have? To marry Alberto! Raul recognized that albeit a bit too late about Ana, and the distinctions became clear who he would ally with because Christina betrayed him, numerous times. Ana never would. I think that's why Mateo came around to Ana, her drive to succeed but not at all costs. She won't cross that line. As opposed to Christina who did the unthinkable and caused his best friend to leave and then her untenable desire to hurt Ana. You're right when you say Ana is boring because in the last 2 seasons Christina, Enrique, Marco, Carlos and Patricia have become the focus of the story. It's not Ana. She has dissolved into the backstory of Velvet. We still want Ana and Alberto, but we can't because Alberto isn't with us. Perhaps you're right Ana isn't anything without Alberto. But then maybe that's the intent of the writers, to show that the spark Ana had for living was because she had Alberto but when he died a huge part of her did too. She's contenting herself with her collection, her family, her friends, and maybe a bit of Carlos too. She's settled. And we don't like it. But the writers want us to feel that. Life without Alberto is nothing. She'll come back to life when Alberto returns. That's why I continue to watch it dispite my feelings for where the show has gone. I could have lived with the S2 ending being the series finale. I always wanted to see A/A as a happy couple, but since we didn't really see that anyway, S2 ending would have worked nicely. Alberto has been gone way too long and the tease this season did not help their cause. It feels like a whole other show also, even though the same storylines are going on. I just wanted to see Ana break out of her chains and become dynamic in both personality and fashion. There's no excuse for how badly she's styled this year. She looked better as a seamstress. She's also achieved success so she shouldn't be exactly the same as she was, actually, she is much more lackluster than ever. I wish we could have seen her all glammed up going to parties, seeing how success changed her life, but not necessarily who she is at the core. Those are two different things. There's been nothing fun about her life, it stayed the same as when Alberto was there. For all her talk, it's just gotten more boring. Its 5 years and it's so sad to me what's become of her character. Despite Alberto 'death,' she should be more alive than she is. He wanted to give her the more exciting life she said she wanted and it just didn't happen. Alberto's depressed in NY and missing her, but even off camera they still manage to make his life more exciting and interesting than hers. She has definitely taken a backseat to nearly every other character. The worst being Cristina! Ana just can't catch a break on this show. Are they saying if she doesn't have Alberto or a man she can't have a front burner storyline? They already sent out a bad message by her taking back an abusive man. |
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 19, 2016 15:19:34 GMT -5
All really good points Lara about Ana. I don't know whether the writers just forgot about Ana, or whether they intentionally decided to focus more on the other actors. The story could have included more on Ana's success going forward and I did think at one time that was the direction the story was going to take. But they seemed to have swayed from that for a more dramatiic storyline featuring Christina more. And then subsequent developments with Carlos, Marco and Enrique, and and of course Patricia and Rita.
I'll maintain the theory that the writers want to show how miserable Ana is without Alberto to keep the love between them alive. That's why she is constantly wishing Alberto was here to see some of her success. I think the writers are doing that dilibertly to invoke that sense of sadness and longing. Otherwise, we may have felt she just moved on. She's forgotten him. It has been 5 years. Without it, why bother bringing Alberto back at all? If she wasn't still pining for Alberto she probably would have married Carlos by now considering he's been in her life moderately maybe for the past 5 years.
Regarding Blanca and Emilio getting together, heavens no, I too can't see it. Petra yes, Blanca no. Blanca is probably closer in age to Emilio than we think, but her beauty has remained so young but still, I just can't see them together. Best of friends yes.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 19, 2016 15:26:35 GMT -5
Of course I have not been able to watch E7 is english so when I read the dialogue between Marco and Christina, Marco said Ana is out? What does that mean?
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Post by Lara on Nov 19, 2016 16:31:14 GMT -5
All really good points Lara about Ana. I don't know whether the writers just forgot about Ana, or whether they intentionally decided to focus more on the other actors. The story could have included more on Ana's success going forward and I did think at one time that was the direction the story was going to take. But they seemed to have swayed from that for a more dramatiic storyline featuring Christina more. And then subsequent developments with Carlos, Marco and Enrique, and and of course Patricia and Rita. I'll maintain the theory that the writers want to show how miserable Ana is without Alberto to keep the love between them alive. That's why she is constantly wishing Alberto was here to see some of her success. I think the writers are doing that dilibertly to invoke that sense of sadness and longing. Otherwise, we may have felt she just moved on. She's forgotten him. It has been 5 years. Without it, why bother bringing Alberto back at all? If she wasn't still pining for Alberto she probably would have married Carlos by now considering he's been in her life moderately maybe for the past 5 years. Regarding Blanca and Emilio getting together, heavens no, I too can't see it. Petra yes, Blanca no. Blanca is probably closer in age to Emilio than we think, but her beauty has remained so young but still, I just can't see them together. Best of friends yes. Yeah, unfortunately Ana got buried and her her character suffered to prop up those you mentioned. I agree with you, the writer's want to show Ana miserable without Alberto. They've always wanted to keep their love very pure and untainted as possible. I think they could have still made if clear she was still devastated by Alberto's death without having to make her a shell of a character. At least make her professional life exciting. Like maybe we see her jet setting with all these new, famous people in her life, but when she goes home she still thinks of Alberto in her private moments. There were so many ways they could have spiced it up, without having her forget about him. I think it would have highlighted even more the fact that she got everything she thought she wanted, but it was all hollow and meaningless without him to share it with. I'm not surprised they are putting Emilio and Blanca together they love to pair everyone off, but yeah I can't see Emilio and Blnaca as any more than close friends. There is a 30 year age difference between the two! I love Emilio, but to go from Max to him is 😱 Coming up in ep 8, Ana will apparently be out of town with Rita accepting an award in Italy. Marco will seize the opportunity when she's not there to debut her pret-a-porter collection. |
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Post by primusoars on Nov 19, 2016 22:25:34 GMT -5
That will always be a mystery to me. They had a good chunk of episodes with MAS in S3 and he was totally wasted. Who wants to see him all sulky after breaking up with Ana after only a few eps, for such stupid reasons. I personally think they should have ended the show last season. Have them happy for a while, even when they were together they didn't give the kind of scenes I was expecting. Of course, Cristina would ruin even the small moments. I wish they would have moved in together at least. Even if it did unfold the same way, a better ending would have been Ana catching him at the airport, telling him she's pregnant and them leaving. The few eps remaining they could have filled with the rest of the cast. Epilogue at the end of the last ep. This might be an unpopular opinion, but Alberto is sort of frozen as he was, but Ana is not. Now I'm not sure they're still compatible. The show will ignore that, but I'm not so sure I can. I like your opinion in how this should end with Alberto and Ana walk away into the sunset holding hand end of the season 3. Instead we got nutty Cristina and fake Carlos , one dimensional Marco , murderous jealousy Enrique and greedy sexually deviant Patricia. What's wrong with the writers? If their job is writing a story with logic, close to real life and plausible they failed their job. I really dislike the book written about the five years gap when Alberto was in New York. What I gather from people make reference about the book in this forum seems out of Alberto's character and making a big leap from the pure delight of this young couple in love to a pornographic behavior of a man lost in the big city. Call me a prude I don't care just "forget about " the book. |
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Post by primusoars on Nov 19, 2016 23:36:15 GMT -5
All really good points Lara about Ana. I don't know whether the writers just forgot about Ana, or whether they intentionally decided to focus more on the other actors. The story could have included more on Ana's success going forward and I did think at one time that was the direction the story was going to take. But they seemed to have swayed from that for a more dramatiic storyline featuring Christina more. And then subsequent developments with Carlos, Marco and Enrique, and and of course Patricia and Rita. I'll maintain the theory that the writers want to show how miserable Ana is without Alberto to keep the love between them alive. That's why she is constantly wishing Alberto was here to see some of her success. I think the writers are doing that dilibertly to invoke that sense of sadness and longing. Otherwise, we may have felt she just moved on. She's forgotten him. It has been 5 years. Without it, why bother bringing Alberto back at all? If she wasn't still pining for Alberto she probably would have married Carlos by now considering he's been in her life moderately maybe for the past 5 years. Regarding Blanca and Emilio getting together, heavens no, I too can't see it. Petra yes, Blanca no. Blanca is probably closer in age to Emilio than we think, but her beauty has remained so young but still, I just can't see them together. Best of friends yes. Yeah, unfortunately Ana got buried and her her character suffered to prop up those you mentioned. I agree with you, the writer's want to show Ana miserable without Alberto. They've always wanted to keep their love very pure and untainted as possible. I think they could have still made if clear she was still devastated by Alberto's death without having to make her a shell of a character. At least make her professional life exciting. Like maybe we see her jet setting with all these new, famous people in her life, but when she goes home she still thinks of Alberto in her private moments. There were so many ways they could have spiced it up, without having her forget about him. I think it would have highlighted even more the fact that she got everything she thought she wanted, but it was all hollow and meaningless without him to share it with. I'm not surprised they are putting Emilio and Blanca together they love to pair everyone off, but yeah I can't see Emilio and Blnaca as any more than close friends. There is a 30 year age difference between the two! I love Emilio, but to go from Max to him is 😱 Coming up in ep 8, Ana will apparently be out of town with Rita accepting an award in Italy. Marco will seize the opportunity when she's not there to debut her pret-a-porter collection. I don't know what it is about Ana in the last few episodes, actually they show her in quiet few big smile moments but its some how overshadow by Cristina/ Carlos , Patricia/ Enrique, Marco/Mateo. This series is suppose to center on 2 characters Alberto and Ana but since there is no Alberto , the writers are putting the weights on the other characters so Ana is an empty shell. I don't think it is deliberate but they didn't anticipate this makes Ana looks lifeless. Even her son has no screen time with Mateo or Patricia, it doesn't seem important to the writers we want to see this little person whom is most important individual to Alberto if he knows his existence and Patricia with her guilt over telling Alberto to drop dead before the plane crash. And Mateo's sadness of this child will never see his father. They did not bother to show us any of those important interactions. Remember Patricia brought Alberto's Christening gown to Ana, we did not see Alberto Jr got christening did we? Lara is right to say they unintentionally or intentionally make her boring and semi-comatose. Ana sense there were something wrong with Rita but never forcefully press for an answer Why? Because they want to play the Marco -the super- ridiculous egomaniac man, Enrique -the sinister bullying - little man and Pedro- the pitiful desperate - husband CARD. |
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 19, 2016 23:40:59 GMT -5
I like your opinion in how this should end with Alberto and Ana walk away into the sunset holding hand end of the season 3. Instead we got nutty Cristina and fake Carlos , one dimensional Marco , murderous jealousy Enrique and greedy sexually deviant Patricia. What's wrong with the writers? If their job is writing a story with logic, close to real life and plausible they failed their job. I really dislike the book written about the five years gap when Alberto was in New York. What I gather from people make reference about the book in this forum seems out of Alberto's character and making a big leap from the pure delight of this young couple in love to a pornographic behavior of a man lost in the big city. Call me a prude I don't care just "forget about " the book. I can understand why some fans will dislike the book. ..I mean watching him with Ana,his love and commitment to her. ..its hard to imagine him with someone else. With cristina he was roped into the marriage because of his financial woes...but with the Airsa woman I think that was a red flag for me...just because he saw ana with Carlos he got very jealous and took off with Sara...and had this angry hot sex with her.I was very shocked by that behavior and it came back to haunt Alberto! !!! In terms of the book it explores that dark side of Alberto. .a successful business man...still pinning for Ana.Incapable of loving any other woman hence the crazy sexual behavior that almost turned him into a Christian Grey!!!!😃😃😃😱 |
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 19, 2016 23:53:11 GMT -5
Yes Alberto lost his way ..when he was in NYC ..In terms of businesses he was successful. But emotionally he was truly like seriously LOST.Judging from the little I read,he used sex in coping,he became a mechanical bull with these women. ..he feels nothing for them..he was so miserable without his Ana...life was meaningless for him.I am glad Mateo is going to NYC and I can't wait to see his face when hears that he is a father.😃❤
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Post by primusoars on Nov 19, 2016 23:55:27 GMT -5
I like your opinion in how this should end with Alberto and Ana walk away into the sunset holding hand end of the season 3. Instead we got nutty Cristina and fake Carlos , one dimensional Marco , murderous jealousy Enrique and greedy sexually deviant Patricia. What's wrong with the writers? If their job is writing a story with logic, close to real life and plausible they failed their job. I really dislike the book written about the five years gap when Alberto was in New York. What I gather from people make reference about the book in this forum seems out of Alberto's character and making a big leap from the pure delight of this young couple in love to a pornographic behavior of a man lost in the big city. Call me a prude I don't care just "forget about " the book. I can understand why some fans will dislike the book. ..I mean watching him with Ana,his love and commitment to her. ..its hard to imagine him with someone else. With cristina he was roped into the marriage because of his financial woes...but with the Airsa woman I think that was a red flag for me...just because he saw ana with Carlos he got very jealous and took off with Sara...and had this angry hot sex with her.I was very shocked by that behavior and it came back to haunt Alberto! !!! In terms of the book it explores that dark side of Alberto. .a successful business man...still pinning for Ana.Incapable of loving any other woman hence the crazy sexual behavior that almost turned him into a Christian Grey!!!!😃😃😃😱 I don't buy the book explores the dark side of Alberto, I think it explores the dark side of the writer, they use Alberto's character to fantasize what is like if you are a handsome successful businessman in a big apple don't have the one you love love the one you with so let's go wild. Isn't this teenager fantasy? |
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 20, 2016 0:14:43 GMT -5
I can understand why some fans will dislike the book. ..I mean watching him with Ana,his love and commitment to her. ..its hard to imagine him with someone else. With cristina he was roped into the marriage because of his financial woes...but with the Airsa woman I think that was a red flag for me...just because he saw ana with Carlos he got very jealous and took off with Sara...and had this angry hot sex with her.I was very shocked by that behavior and it came back to haunt Alberto! !!! In terms of the book it explores that dark side of Alberto. .a successful business man...still pinning for Ana.Incapable of loving any other woman hence the crazy sexual behavior that almost turned him into a Christian Grey!!!!😃😃😃😱 I don't buy the book explores the dark side of Alberto, I think it explores the dark side of the writer, they use Alberto's character to fantasize what is like if you are a handsome successful businessman in a big apple don't have the one you love love the one you with so let's go wild. Isn't this teenager fantasy? Alberto isn't perfect.He is flawed just any other man.That book wasn't a teenager fantasy thing..For me it was s heartbreaking book of a lonely man on a self exile hence the lack of communication. Who travelled the world acquired some good and bad experiences. He wallowed in abject despair due to lack of response from Ana thanks to Carlos.Somehow he ended up in big apple became successful. He tried to cope with his situation the best way he knew how..through SEX. I don't judge him...moreover it was over between him and Ana...so you can't accuse of him of cheating..he did try to move on without her but he couldn't. ..that's why he kept writing her... |
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Post by mommatequiero on Nov 20, 2016 7:42:10 GMT -5
Yes Alberto lost his way ..when he was in NYC ..In terms of businesses he was successful. But emotionally he was truly like seriously LOST.Judging from the little I read,he used sex in coping,he became a mechanical bull with these women. ..he feels nothing for them..he was so miserable without his Ana...life was meaningless for him.I am glad Mateo is going to NYC and I can't wait to see his face when hears that he is a father.😃❤ Agree 100% about his son. Can't wait to see how Alberto finds out about his son and how he reacts. I totally disregard the book and stay with the writers and the series. I think that they did the best they could without a full season commitment from MAS. Both MAS and PE said that the fans will like the happy ending and the way things tie up. I wait anxiously and will miss Velvet very much when it is over. I watch the episodes over and over and never get tired. It is my guilty silly pleasure. Hopeless romantic and this fits in well. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 10:02:17 GMT -5
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The moment when Mateo will get the letter! 