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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 17, 2016 23:46:13 GMT -5
So I was reading somewhere not on this board..and somebody said something about Alberto reuniting with Ana and moving his family to the states since he has a businesses there..it will be his way of putting. Velvet and all the drama behind him. What do you all think? If you ask me ...I will say probably not. .Velvet is his father's legacy and family business..I believe he will rather buy it back from the Italians and rebuild. 2.I don't see Ana leaving all her friends and Don Emilio behind to move to the states. I am going to assume Alberto stays back in Spain..reuniting with his love and rebuilding. ..and managing other business in NYC. .minus the sleeping with his female clients..oh boy!!!πππ You are right about Ana normally, but for Alberto, her love, she would do anything. She was trying to elope with him in the first episode and leave it all behind. Only for him.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 17, 2016 23:47:14 GMT -5
I don't know if anyone else noticed, but I think the song they played when Enrique was in Valentin's hospital room is from Gran Hotel. The classical compositions in that show are wonderful, and I'm pretty sure I'd heard this there before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 8:18:21 GMT -5
Valentin's mother only suspects she was committing adultery, so they may escape with the murder of Valentin. In the preview of the 8th episode the policeman said that adultery was a minor jail sentence. But if they find out that she covered up the murder of his husband... i'm not sure, she could be accused of helping Enrique and also be sentenced to death or just a long prison sentence and losing the custody of her child. Maybe Enrique and Patricia try to kill Valentin's mother now if she keeps inquiring about her son's death, she already said that her son was using firearms since he was 8, so shooting himself while cleaning a firearm was a big nope.
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 18, 2016 9:04:20 GMT -5
On a couple of things I've read, it appears that the Ortegies may have had a hand in making sure Christina wasn't charged for the attemped murder of Ana, or any criminality of any sort. Enrique seemed concerned when Marco confronted Enrique about his sister pushing Ana down the stairs that her removal was seen as "helping" her as opposed to I guess charging her. I think it was to save face for the Ortegies. I would also hazard a guess, that no one other than Velvet knows what really happened to Christina nor what Christina did. Money bought her privacy in this regard.
The same will be for Enrique and Patricia. This is an act of passion on Enrique's part but I suspect Patricia is using him. She stands to gain alot by Valentin's passing, as in independence and wealth. She hasn't done anything really other than give a nod to Enrique to committ the act. So albeit complicit in some ways, it's a he says she says scenario. What will probably happen is the mother of Valentine, will suspect that the baby of Patricia is not Valentine's, may request a paternity test, and will have the marriage annulled on that leaving Patricia with nothing. If that doesn't happen if and when Barbara returns she will immediately suspect something and might cause Enrique's downfall. But Patricia is pretty ambitious, she's not going to let the inheritance slip through her hands so it will be interesting to see what happens next. She may in fact throw Enrique to the wolves to turn the attention away from herself. Enrique is not going to go down easily and that may be their collective downfall if he feels he's been used.
I'm believing in this scenario more than they run away together only because Patricia is hugely manipulative. She has Enrique wrapped around her finger and although there were times when I suspected she loved Enrique I more was of the opinion that she was using sex to get ahead in the business. At every opportunity Enrique made sure she rose in the company, more so than Alberto or any other person in her life which is a fairly short list. She only had Enrique. And here he is again, killing for her. Hmm...
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 18, 2016 10:33:19 GMT -5
On a couple of things I've read, it appears that the Ortegies may have had a hand in making sure Christina wasn't charged for the attemped murder of Ana, or any criminality of any sort. Enrique seemed concerned when Marco confronted Enrique about his sister pushing Ana down the stairs that her removal was seen as "helping" her as opposed to I guess charging her. I think it was to save face for the Ortegies. I would also hazard a guess, that no one other than Velvet knows what really happened to Christina nor what Christina did. Money bought her privacy in this regard. The part that confuses me is the following... wasn't her reputation completely destroyed by the article that Michelle wrote about the baby not being Alberto's? I found it strange how she was able to come back in Season 3 from the hospital without any repercussions per say, other than her increased craziness when incited by anything Alberto/Ana-related, and the reaction of certain characters like Raul. I mean, we don't exactly see her in scenes with society gatherings, but how was she able to come back to Velvet without judgement? Especially after the article about Ana caused such a scandal, wouldn't this have been an even bigger one? Lucia had said it would be the end of her good reputation in the upper class. There were several things that happened in the plot that made it seem like people were clueless as to this front page news and where they let it fly when she kept saying it was Alberto's baby.
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Post by hopelessromantic on Nov 18, 2016 11:29:43 GMT -5
So I was reading somewhere not on this board..and somebody said something about Alberto reuniting with Ana and moving his family to the states since he has a businesses there..it will be his way of putting. Velvet and all the drama behind him. What do you all think? If you ask me ...I will say probably not. .Velvet is his father's legacy and family business..I believe he will rather buy it back from the Italians and rebuild. 2.I don't see Ana leaving all her friends and Don Emilio behind to move to the states. I am going to assume Alberto stays back in Spain..reuniting with his love and rebuilding. ..and managing other business in NYC. .minus the sleeping with his female clients..oh boy!!!πππ You are right about Ana normally, but for Alberto, her love, she would do anything. Β She was trying to elope with him in the first episode and leave it all behind. Only for him. You are so right!!!She tried to elope twice with him..good point. π
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Post by primusoars on Nov 18, 2016 12:43:26 GMT -5
You are right about Ana normally, but for Alberto, her love, she would do anything. Β She was trying to elope with him in the first episode and leave it all behind. Only for him. You are so right!!!She tried to elope twice with him..good point. π The store was never Alberto's love anyway, he told his father that he is going away to determine his own destiny but after His father committed suicide he felt he needed to save the store for the workers and his father's legacy. After all the happenings he decide to leave Velvet at the end of Season 3, the 1st letter he wrote to Ana was saying "they will see each other again" and "together again". There is no intension to do anything with "Velvet". It is no longer the family business anyway. He sold their 60% to Enzo Cafiero. I wish they will all leave to a better place.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 18, 2016 20:19:45 GMT -5
On a couple of things I've read, it appears that the Ortegies may have had a hand in making sure Christina wasn't charged for the attemped murder of Ana, or any criminality of any sort. Enrique seemed concerned when Marco confronted Enrique about his sister pushing Ana down the stairs that her removal was seen as "helping" her as opposed to I guess charging her. I think it was to save face for the Ortegies. I would also hazard a guess, that no one other than Velvet knows what really happened to Christina nor what Christina did. Money bought her privacy in this regard. The part that confuses me is the following... wasn't her reputation completely destroyed by the article that Michelle wrote about the baby not being Alberto's? I found it strange how she was able to come back in Season 3 from the hospital without any repercussions per say, other than her increased craziness when incited by anything Alberto/Ana-related, and the reaction of certain characters like Raul. I mean, we don't exactly see her in scenes with society gatherings, but how was she able to come back to Velvet without judgement? Especially after the article about Ana caused such a scandal, wouldn't this have been an even bigger one? Lucia had said it would be the end of her good reputation in the upper class. There were several things that happened in the plot that made it seem like people were clueless as to this front page news and where they let it fly when she kept saying it was Alberto's baby. I think that it was convenient for the storyline to swap under the rug because they can't find a good way to not " let her fly". I t makes people around her look stupid and clueless but the storyline needs Cristina to be present and acting nuts.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 18, 2016 22:31:13 GMT -5
Ana didn't report Cristina to the police because Marco said he could get Cristina out of Velvet and she'd never have to see her again. If Ana reported Cristina back then, it would be a huge deal for her, a fledging designer just starting out, to go against a family as influential/powerful as the Oteguis. (This was a concern written in the show - Blanca specifically warns Emilio, and Ana thinks Emilio will stop her b/c of this reason as well but instead he supports her decision.) Ana was 100% prepared to report Cristina, but Marco's way was faster in getting Cristina out of her life with the added plus that she wouldn't be putting herself or her baby at risk of the Oteguis' wrath. I would've gone to the police after the scissors attempt since there were tons of witnesses to back Ana that time, but then there was also the taint of scandal that it would bring to Velvet too. (Except Velvet should've been used to it, what with the fiasco regarding Alberto and Cristina being published for the country to read. lol Though I guess the store was trying to recover from that, except they never show us if it affected Velvet sales or not.) Honestly, in this ep, I kept waiting for Valentin's mother to put two and two together (maybe that's being saved for later, who knows). I did feel really bad for her when she cries over him. :/ And then there's Patricia, who I thought actually felt bad but then the episode progressed. >.>;;; Ugh, Patricia, whyyyyyy. The writers could've taken this any other way, but nope. They had to bring Patricia to Enrique's level - they should just run off together. The only suitable punishment for these two is jail, but I don't think that's going to happen. I would like Patricia to second-guess herself in the next eps and perhaps show signs of a conscience, but that might be asking too much. That's a good point about the downside of reporting Christina. I still think she should have reported her, but it makes sense why she didn't. I'm not arguing against Marco firing Christina, btw. If one of your employees pushes the other one (pregnant or not!) down the stairs, they should be fired!! Marco can't fire Cristina because Cristina is not an employee , her family is the minority stock holder(40% of the share). So Marco persuaded Enrique to get her out of the store and get some help for her. This is how she got away from a Malicious action. Marco thought this will get rid of her once for all. But she came back!
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Post by primusoars on Nov 18, 2016 22:43:50 GMT -5
I hate the Blanca-Emilio couple too. They've been hinting at it all season, and now that Petra has made it more overt, and Blanca seems to be making steps toward showing her interest, the whole thing is getting worse. Aren't they 25 years apart in age, if not more? They're just not credible together. They have zero romantic chemistry. Ugh. I loved the totally zaniness of the soccer game, also. Raul "learning" the plays by turning them all into patterns was a crack up, and the detail of Humberto chain-smoking cigarette was great too. And Raul stashing his money in his underwear to buy off the referee (or, after Jonas forbid him from doing that, paying him to leave) was great too. The kiss was super-quick, in the heat of excitement after winning the game, but I was a little confused that in the preview for next week Humberto said he thinks he thinks he likes men. Didn't he already knew that? And he and Raul just were talking in code because homosexuality was illegal? I mean, the ways and number of times it came up seemed way too frequent and blatant to mean anything else--when Raul first brought it up, he said men were only bothered by who he was when they had some other issue, and Humberto answered that he couldn't be who people wanted him to be. How could that not reveal self-awareness? It is clear that he wasn't ready to act on it, at least in a meaningful way, while sober--Raul's line, when you're ready to "change your suit" I'll be here, was perfect innuendo--so maybe that's what the preview is talking about? But why did Humberto look so shocked after the kiss? Or do you think he wasn't shocked, so much as moved? Thoughts? I don't get any of Alberto's actions, but it seems like he's not actually trying to get in touch if he didn't include a return address or phone number. If he's given up on writing to Ana, I'm guess he doesn't want news from that world--he just wants to congratulate Mateo. It makes no sense, but none of that storyline does. However, I think Mateo goes to New York next episode and, knowing about Silk, I don't see how he doesn't find Alberto. I think we see MAS at least briefly next week. Fingers crossed, not only for a return to the A/A relationship, but also for moving forward with a new thread in the plot. Not that there aren't consent events in each episode, but there haven't really been more than a couple of storylines and now that I think they're not so successful it's time for something altogether new. Though I'm also pleased that Humberto is back. That is promising! Also, I guess it was on the spoiler/speculation page, but did any of you take Rita's constant missing of her children as a bad omen? I mean, she is supposedly going to see them very soon. Unless something terrible happens. So I think it foreshadows some relapse, and that any future hospital scene will involve Rita's cancer again. I was watching the first season Velvet which MAS was in every episode and each time he was on screen it lights up! This is the power of his charisma. I think we have been missing him too long and we need that spark he brings so this probably place any other storyline w/o Alberto in a difficult position. Like Christine says "is what it is". we can only hope he will be back soon to light up our screen or iPad.
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Post by Lara on Nov 18, 2016 22:58:18 GMT -5
I hate the Blanca-Emilio couple too. They've been hinting at it all season, and now that Petra has made it more overt, and Blanca seems to be making steps toward showing her interest, the whole thing is getting worse. Aren't they 25 years apart in age, if not more? They're just not credible together. They have zero romantic chemistry. Ugh. I loved the totally zaniness of the soccer game, also. Raul "learning" the plays by turning them all into patterns was a crack up, and the detail of Humberto chain-smoking cigarette was great too. And Raul stashing his money in his underwear to buy off the referee (or, after Jonas forbid him from doing that, paying him to leave) was great too. The kiss was super-quick, in the heat of excitement after winning the game, but I was a little confused that in the preview for next week Humberto said he thinks he thinks he likes men. Didn't he already knew that? And he and Raul just were talking in code because homosexuality was illegal? I mean, the ways and number of times it came up seemed way too frequent and blatant to mean anything else--when Raul first brought it up, he said men were only bothered by who he was when they had some other issue, and Humberto answered that he couldn't be who people wanted him to be. How could that not reveal self-awareness? It is clear that he wasn't ready to act on it, at least in a meaningful way, while sober--Raul's line, when you're ready to "change your suit" I'll be here, was perfect innuendo--so maybe that's what the preview is talking about? But why did Humberto look so shocked after the kiss? Or do you think he wasn't shocked, so much as moved? Thoughts? I don't get any of Alberto's actions, but it seems like he's not actually trying to get in touch if he didn't include a return address or phone number. If he's given up on writing to Ana, I'm guess he doesn't want news from that world--he just wants to congratulate Mateo. It makes no sense, but none of that storyline does. However, I think Mateo goes to New York next episode and, knowing about Silk, I don't see how he doesn't find Alberto. I think we see MAS at least briefly next week. Fingers crossed, not only for a return to the A/A relationship, but also for moving forward with a new thread in the plot. Not that there aren't consent events in each episode, but there haven't really been more than a couple of storylines and now that I think they're not so successful it's time for something altogether new. Though I'm also pleased that Humberto is back. That is promising! Also, I guess it was on the spoiler/speculation page, but did any of you take Rita's constant missing of her children as a bad omen? I mean, she is supposedly going to see them very soon. Unless something terrible happens. So I think it foreshadows some relapse, and that any future hospital scene will involve Rita's cancer again. I was watching the first season Velvet which MAS was in every episode and each time he was on screen it lights up! This is the power of his charisma. I think we have been missing him too long and we need that spark he brings so this probably place any other storyline w/o Alberto in a difficult position. Like Christine says "is what it is". we can only hope he will be back soon to light up our screen or iPad. Yeah, he was always the main attraction for me. Which makes it difficult to still enjoy the show when that person you like the most leaves for nearly 2 seasons. At this point, I've even overlooked all the plotholes. Though the Adele thing still has me scratching my head. There are way too many plotholes to even count anymore. I did think the Jonas/Pedro pictures were lame. They could have told the police that Enrique and Marco paid them and/or took it to the press. I just have a hard time with Ana still being there after seeing the way treat her. Yeah, that's pretty much where I am now. Just have to go with the flow because there are sooo many holes and they keep creating more. I think then5nyear jump was their biggest mistake. There is no excuse for Albeertomnit to have come back to pick up phone. Now with Adele and the letter to Mateo with return address makes him seem very passive/aggressive.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 18, 2016 23:53:36 GMT -5
I was watching the first season Velvet which MAS was in every episode and each time he was on screen it lights up! This is the power of his charisma. I think we have been missing him too long and we need that spark he brings so this probably place any other storyline w/o Alberto in a difficult position. Like Christine says "is what it is". we can only hope he will be back soon to light up our screen or iPad. Yeah, he was always the main attraction for me. Which makes it difficult to still enjoy the show when that person you like the most leaves for nearly 2 seasons. At this point, I've even overlooked all the plotholes. Though the Adele thing still has me scratching my head. There are way too many plotholes to even count anymore. I did think the Jonas/Pedro pictures were lame. They could have told the police that Enrique and Marco paid them and/or took it to the press. I just have a hard time with Ana still being there after seeing the way treat her. Teah, that's pretty much where I am now. Just have to go with the flow because there are sooo many holes and they keep creating more. I think then5nyear jump was their biggest mistake. There is no excuse for Albeertomnit to have come back to pick up phone. Now with Adele and the letter to Mateo with return address makes him seem very passive/aggressive.& I just can't understand when they found out MAS can't put in the time for the show they should just wrap it up and have Alberto and Ana live happily ever after with the last few episode of season 3. The reason for the show's popularity was also the incredible story of Alberto and Ana. So far half the season 3 and most of the season 4 we only get Ana, of course, our enthusiasm is gone. We are just hope against all hope that Alberto will be back next episode.
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Post by Lara on Nov 19, 2016 0:11:12 GMT -5
Yeah, he was always the main attraction for me. Which makes it difficult to still enjoy the show when that person you like the most leaves for nearly 2 seasons. At this point, I've even overlooked all the plotholes. Though the Adele thing still has me scratching my head. There are way too many plotholes to even count anymore. I did think the Jonas/Pedro pictures were lame. They could have told the police that Enrique and Marco paid them and/or took it to the press. I just have a hard time with Ana still being there after seeing the way treat her. Yeah, that's pretty much where I am now. Just have to go with the flow because there are sooo many holes and they keep creating more. I think then5nyear jump was their biggest mistake. There is no excuse for Albeertomnit to have come back to pick up phone. Now with Adele and the letter to Mateo with return address makes him seem very passive/aggressive.& I just can't understand when they found out MAS can't put in the time for the show they should just wrap it up and have Alberto and Ana live happily ever after with the last few episode of season 3. The reason for the show's popularity was also the incredible story of Alberto and Ana. So far half the season 3 and most of the season 4 we only get Ana, of course, our enthusiasm is gone. We are just hope against all hope that Alberto will be back next episode. That will always be a mystery to me. They had a good chunk of episodes with MAS in S3 and he was totally wasted. Who wants to see him all sulky after breaking up with Ana after only a few eps, for such stupid reasons. I personally think they should have ended the show last season. Have them happy for a while, even when they were together they didn't give the kind of scenes I was expecting. Of course, Cristina would ruin even the small moments. I wish they would have moved in together at least. Even if it did unfold the same way, a better ending would have been Ana catching him at the airport, telling him she's pregnant and them leaving. The few eps remaining they could have filled with the rest of the cast. Epilogue at the end of the last ep. This might be an unpopular opinion, but Alberto is sort of frozen as he was, but Ana is not. Now I'm not sure they're still compatible. The show will ignore that, but I'm not so sure I can.
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Post by primusoars on Nov 19, 2016 0:49:09 GMT -5
That will always be a mystery to me. They had a good chunk of episodes with MAS in S3 and he was totally wasted. Who wants to see him all sulky after breaking up with Ana after only a few eps, for such stupid reasons. I personally think they should have ended the show last season. Have them happy for a while, even when they were together they didn't give the kind of scenes I was expecting. Of course, Cristina would ruin even the small moments. I wish they would have moved in together at least. Even if it did unfold the same way, a better ending would have been Ana catching him at the airport, telling him she's pregnant and them leaving. The few eps remaining they could have filled with the rest of the cast. Epilogue at the end of the last ep. This might be an unpopular opinion, but Alberto is sort of frozen as he was, but Ana is not. Now I'm not sure they're still compatible. The show will ignore that, but I'm not so sure I can. I totally agree with you. Why have half season of Cristina and Barbara manipulating, conniving and poison the story to the degree is never going to come to any meaningful conclusion. Too many potholes to fill, I guess this what some people call it story arc ( what does that even mean?). The beginning of season 4 instead of Barbara as accomplice they have Carlos to help Cristina's craziness. Yes, Alberto is frozen in time and Ana is not. Can love conquer the distance between them??
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Post by Lara on Nov 19, 2016 1:31:34 GMT -5
I totally agree with you. Why have half season of Cristina and Barbara manipulating, conniving and poison the story to the degree is never going to come to any meaningful conclusion. Too many potholes to fill, I guess this what some people call it story arc ( what does that even mean?). The beginning of season 4 instead of Barbara as accomplice they have Carlos to help Cristina's craziness. Yes, Alberto is frozen in time and Ana is not. Can love conquer the distance between them?? I also feel like this season, especially Ana's storylines, are filler waiting until Alberto reappears. All the C/C plotting will lead nowhere and Marco and Enrique just keep keep coming up with new schemes every week that usually end up failing. Ana's naive and dumbed down, but if I'm being honest, she's become very matronly this season too. She definitely doesn't shout major fashion designer judging by her hair and wardrobe. There is simple and then there is dowdy. The hair also ages her. Her personality has been so dull and lackluster this whole season. There is zero spark and I'm not buying it's because of Alberto. It didn't help that her girls have largely moved on. I wonder if Ana was always dull and Alberto made her interesting or his absence is effecting her portrayal. That's why to me looking at it only on paper, A/A don't seem like a good match anymore. That's why I thought it would have been better to write them off together and keep that great chemistry intact.
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