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Post by primusoars on Nov 17, 2016 17:11:17 GMT -5
It is true things are gloss over and made some kind of half hearted resolutions, it shows the producers and people work on the show can't wait to wrap it up ! No wonder the rating is bad. We are die heart Velvet watchers we have doubts about this seasons let alone someone come on the show the first time. One thing is really good about this series is actors are very very competent and their performances are great by every single one of them. The storylines are inadequate right at the beginning of the season, I was hoping it will get better but so far is gotten worse. I just can't believe Enrique has to kill Valentin twice, if he has other project, he has to move on, just murder him once that's enough. I notice no one in this forum use the word " murder" in Christina or Enrique's case. I wonder why? Is this word can't apply to high class individual? I hope someone can explain to me that this is not " murder"? I have no problem calling what Enrique did murder. I'm not entirely sure what you are referring to with Christina. I'm guessing the pushing Ana down the stairs and the attack with scissors? That to me didn't necessarily feel like she was trying to murder Ana, but going into a violent rage. If she had ended up killing Ana I would call it murder. Enrique was very cold and calculated, where as Christina I didn't feel like really had a plan. I think almost anyone can be driven to violence if pushed the right way and will sometimes respond without thinking. Intentionally plotting someones death is different to me and takes a certain kind of person. (Not justifying Christina here.) Christina may not intended to kill Ana when she was pregnant with Alberto Jr but her action may cause Ana and the unborn baby death. So she possible was guilt of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. I think that I am upset about all those important developments in the story kind of just push under the rug. Christina went to some sanitarium came back; not suffering any consequences go on with life as if nothing had ever happened. Enrique, I don't know? Would he ever go to jail? This is a show I love and I am hoping it will also show "just" and "responsibility" too.
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Post by Christine on Nov 17, 2016 17:42:31 GMT -5
I have to admit I am totally shocked about Valentin. I thought it would ambiguous and he would deny it, but for him and Patricia both to have blatantly kill him is unforgivable. Justice has to be served tonsllnthese characters! I would think Valenti's mother would suspicious, but after a mo nets she vanished. Another thing that bothered me was that they seemed to gloss what happened to Pedro. It's very hard to believe that Marco would keep him at Velvet after all that happened, even if it is back to his old job. Pedro was on thin ice as it was. Rita's recovery also seemed to be too quick and no exploration how she feels about her new body. As far as the note. I'm wondering why Alberto didn't out a return address if he's been trying and failing to contact them for years. If Mateo didn't have connections to investigate, how would have known where to respond? Lara you know I am not the one to complain about the writing in this show has the saying goes it is what it is BUT what the hell were they thinking Enrique and Patricia killing Valentine I know valentine is leaving the show do you mean they couldn't have found another way to write him out of the story not only he doesn't deserve to die like that but how are they going to make Enrique and Patricia pay for what they have done, Enrique can go to jail but Patricia is pregnant how are they going to make her pay. There is no way they can let them get away with something like this oh what the hell am I talking about anything can happen in this show you have Carlos picking out Ann's wedding dress and Christina will sew it with her own two hands πππ
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Post by primusoars on Nov 17, 2016 18:49:45 GMT -5
I have to admit I am totally shocked about Valentin. I thought it would ambiguous and he would deny it, but for him and Patricia both to have blatantly kill him is unforgivable. Justice has to be served tonsllnthese characters! I would think Valenti's mother would suspicious, but after a mo nets she vanished. Another thing that bothered me was that they seemed to gloss what happened to Pedro. It's very hard to believe that Marco would keep him at Velvet after all that happened, even if it is back to his old job. Pedro was on thin ice as it was. Rita's recovery also seemed to be too quick and no exploration how she feels about her new body. As far as the note. I'm wondering why Alberto didn't out a return address if he's been trying and failing to contact them for years. If Mateo didn't have connections to investigate, how would have known where to respond? Lara you know I am not the one to complain about the writing in this show has the saying goes it is what it is BUT what the hell were they thinking Enrique and Patricia killing Valentine I know valentine is leaving the show do you mean they couldn't have found another way to write him out of the story not only he doesn't deserve to die like that but how are they going to make Enrique and Patricia pay for what they have done, Enrique can go to jail but Patricia is pregnant how are they going to make her pay. There is no way they can let them get away with something like this oh what the hell am I talking about anything can happen in this show you have Carlos picking out Ann's wedding dress and Christina will sew it with her own two hands πππ That was funny Christina! You are right anything can happen?
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Post by primusoars on Nov 17, 2016 19:04:11 GMT -5
Lara you know I am not the one to complain about the writing in this show has the saying goes it is what it is BUT what the hell were they thinking Enrique and Patricia killing Valentine I know valentine is leaving the show do you mean they couldn't have found another way to write him out of the story not only he doesn't deserve to die like that but how are they going to make Enrique and Patricia pay for what they have done, Enrique can go to jail but Patricia is pregnant how are they going to make her pay. There is no way they can let them get away with something like this oh what the hell am I talking about anything can happen in this show you have Carlos picking out Ann's wedding dress and Christina will sew it with her own two hands πππ That was funny Christina! You are right anything can happen? Sorry, I mean Christine!
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 17, 2016 19:06:24 GMT -5
I have no problem calling what Enrique did murder. Β I'm not entirely sure what you are referring to with Christina. Β I'm guessing the pushing Ana down the stairs and the attack with scissors? Β That to me didn't necessarily feel like she was trying to murder Ana, but going into a violent rage. Β If she had ended up killing Ana I would call it murder. Β Enrique was very cold and calculated, where as Christina I didn't feel like really had a plan. Β I think almost anyone can be driven to violence if pushed the right way and will sometimes respond without thinking. Β Intentionally plotting someones death is different to me and takes a certain kind of person. Β (Not justifying Christina here.) Christina may not intended to kill Ana when she was pregnant with Alberto Jr but her action may cause Ana and the unborn baby death. So she possible was guilt of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. I think that I am upset about all those important developments in the story kind of just push under the rug. Christina went to some sanitarium came back; not suffering any consequences go on with life as if nothing had ever happened. Enrique, I don't know? Would he ever go to jail? This is a show I love and I am hoping it will also show "just" and "responsibility" too. I agree there should have been consequences for what Christina did to Ana, but I don't think they ever went to the police about it. Marco wanted to fire her instead. I don't know why you wouldn't also report her to the police, but that is how the story was written. I'm sure Ana thought she was rid of her once she got sent to the asylum.
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Post by Christine on Nov 17, 2016 19:34:08 GMT -5
Christina may not intended to kill Ana when she was pregnant with Alberto Jr but her action may cause Ana and the unborn baby death. So she possible was guilt of 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. I think that I am upset about all those important developments in the story kind of just push under the rug. Christina went to some sanitarium came back; not suffering any consequences go on with life as if nothing had ever happened. Enrique, I don't know? Would he ever go to jail? This is a show I love and I am hoping it will also show "just" and "responsibility" too. I agree there should have been consequences for what Christina did to Ana, but I don't think they ever went to the police about it. Marco wanted to fire her instead. I don't know why you wouldn't also report her to the police, but that is how the story was written. I'm sure Ana thought she was rid of her once she got sent to the asylum. [ I understand why Christina did not go to prison for what she did to Ann no mentally ill person should go to jail Marco did the right thing sending her to the crazy house that was a good punishment for her, she is still crazy but not violent. What I am waiting to see is how they are doing to punish Patricia for conspiring to murder Valentine π±π±
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Post by Krys on Nov 17, 2016 20:22:52 GMT -5
Ana didn't report Cristina to the police because Marco said he could get Cristina out of Velvet and she'd never have to see her again. If Ana reported Cristina back then, it would be a huge deal for her, a fledging designer just starting out, to go against a family as influential/powerful as the Oteguis. (This was a concern written in the show - Blanca specifically warns Emilio, and Ana thinks Emilio will stop her b/c of this reason as well but instead he supports her decision.) Ana was 100% prepared to report Cristina, but Marco's way was faster in getting Cristina out of her life with the added plus that she wouldn't be putting herself or her baby at risk of the Oteguis' wrath. I would've gone to the police after the scissors attempt since there were tons of witnesses to back Ana that time, but then there was also the taint of scandal that it would bring to Velvet too. (Except Velvet should've been used to it, what with the fiasco regarding Alberto and Cristina being published for the country to read. lol Though I guess the store was trying to recover from that, except they never show us if it affected Velvet sales or not.)
Honestly, in this ep, I kept waiting for Valentin's mother to put two and two together (maybe that's being saved for later, who knows). I did feel really bad for her when she cries over him. :/ And then there's Patricia, who I thought actually felt bad but then the episode progressed. >.>;;; Ugh, Patricia, whyyyyyy. The writers could've taken this any other way, but nope. They had to bring Patricia to Enrique's level - they should just run off together. The only suitable punishment for these two is jail, but I don't think that's going to happen. I would like Patricia to second-guess herself in the next eps and perhaps show signs of a conscience, but that might be asking too much.
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 17, 2016 20:29:41 GMT -5
Ana didn't report Cristina to the police because Marco said he could get Cristina out of Velvet and she'd never have to see her again. If Ana reported Cristina back then, it would be a huge deal for her, a fledging designer just starting out, to go against a family as influential/powerful as the Oteguis. (This was a concern written in the show - Blanca specifically warns Emilio, and Ana thinks Emilio will stop her b/c of this reason as well but instead he supports her decision.) Ana was 100% prepared to report Cristina, but Marco's way was faster in getting Cristina out of her life with the added plus that she wouldn't be putting herself or her baby at risk of the Oteguis' wrath. I would've gone to the police after the scissors attempt since there were tons of witnesses to back Ana that time, but then there was also the taint of scandal that it would bring to Velvet too. (Except Velvet should've been used to it, what with the fiasco regarding Alberto and Cristina being published for the country to read. lol Though I guess the store was trying to recover from that, except they never show us if it affected Velvet sales or not.) Honestly, in this ep, I kept waiting for Valentin's mother to put two and two together (maybe that's being saved for later, who knows). I did feel really bad for her when she cries over him. :/ And then there's Patricia, who I thought actually felt bad but then the episode progressed. >.>;;; Ugh, Patricia, whyyyyyy. The writers could've taken this any other way, but nope. They had to bring Patricia to Enrique's level - they should just run off together. The only suitable punishment for these two is jail, but I don't think that's going to happen. I would like Patricia to second-guess herself in the next eps and perhaps show signs of a conscience, but that might be asking too much. That's a good point about the downside of reporting Christina. I still think she should have reported her, but it makes sense why she didn't. I'm not arguing against Marco firing Christina, btw. If one of your employees pushes the other one (pregnant or not!) down the stairs, they should be fired!!
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Post by Lara on Nov 17, 2016 20:34:23 GMT -5
I have to admit I am totally shocked about Valentin. I thought it would ambiguous and he would deny it, but for him and Patricia both to have blatantly kill him is unforgivable. Justice has to be served tonsllnthese characters! I would think Valenti's mother would suspicious, but after a mo nets she vanished. Another thing that bothered me was that they seemed to gloss what happened to Pedro. It's very hard to believe that Marco would keep him at Velvet after all that happened, even if it is back to his old job. Pedro was on thin ice as it was. Rita's recovery also seemed to be too quick and no exploration how she feels about her new body. As far as the note. I'm wondering why Alberto didn't out a return address if he's been trying and failing to contact them for years. If Mateo didn't have connections to investigate, how would have known where to respond? Lara you know I am not the one to complain about the writing in this show has the saying goes it is what it is BUT what the hell were they thinking Enrique and Patricia killing Valentine I know valentine is leaving the show do you mean they couldn't have found another way to write him out of the story not only he doesn't deserve to die like that but how are they going to make Enrique and Patricia pay for what they have done, Enrique can go to jail but Patricia is pregnant how are they going to make her pay. There is no way they can let them get away with something like this oh what the hell am I talking about anything can happen in this show you have Carlos picking out Ann's wedding dress and Christina will sew it with her own two hands πππ It was cold blooded murder! They could have wrote him out a better way like sending him back to Guinea or just making him die in a car accident. I've mentioned this in another post, I'm bothered that the show has to justify their villains. Like Carlos is so in love with Ana that he loses all reason. Enrique kills for love and his baby. Cristina goes insane because of Alberto. They always have their lumps of coal in a nicely wrapped box with a bow on top. In reality, Carlos is vengeful, Enrique is a psycho like his sister. Cristina was always mentally ill. They don't want to to sully the villains too much and that is a mistake. They want the audience to somewhat empathize with them, I would find them interesting if they owned their evilness. I strongly feel they should have done this with Carlos because no love is shown on his part towards Ana, despite the proclamations otherwise. As far as Patricia, I'm not sure she'll stay pregnant. I think that is definitely going to be the ending. They foreshadowed that from the first ep. I don't think Alberto cares about Rafeal's legacy anymore. It always seems like a burden which is always why he wanted to leave. Now that he has Silk, he has his own legacy. It's time for Ana to move on and I believe it will happen. I think Emilio will stay with Blanca.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 21:08:00 GMT -5
In Spain there was death penalty during the dictatorship, by garrote vil en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote So that's what is awaiting for Enrique if he is found out. The show creators have a strange sense of justice though, they saved Sofia in GH giving her a good ending and she killed two women.
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Post by Christine on Nov 17, 2016 21:11:20 GMT -5
Lara you know I am not the one to complain about the writing in this show has the saying goes it is what it is BUT what the hell were they thinking Enrique and Patricia killing Valentine I know valentine is leaving the show do you mean they couldn't have found another way to write him out of the story not only he doesn't deserve to die like that but how are they going to make Enrique and Patricia pay for what they have done, Enrique can go to jail but Patricia is pregnant how are they going to make her pay. There is no way they can let them get away with something like this oh what the hell am I talking about anything can happen in this show you have Carlos picking out Ann's wedding dress and Christina will sew it with her own two hands πππ It was cold blooded murder! Β They could have wrote him out a better way like sending him back to Guinea or just making him die in a car accident. I've mentioned this in another post, I'm bothered that the show has to justify their villains. Like Carlos is so in love with Ana that he loses all reason. Enrique kills for love and his baby. Cristina goes insane because of Alberto. They always have their lumps of coal in a nicely wrapped box with a bow on top. In reality, Carlos is vengeful, Enrique is a psycho like his sister. Cristina was always mentally ill. They don't want to to sully the villains too much and that is a mistake. They want the audience to somewhat empathize with them, I would find them interesting if they owned their evilness. I strongly feel they should have done this with Carlos because no love is shown on his part towards Ana, despite the proclamations otherwise.Β As far as Patricia, I'm not sure she'll stay pregnant.Β I think that is definitely going to be the ending. They foreshadowed that from the first ep. I don't think Alberto cares about Rafeal's legacy anymore. It always seems like a burden which is always why he wanted to leave. Now that he has Silk, he has his own legacy. It's time for Ana to move on and I believe it will happen. I think Emilio will stay with Blanca. [ All three seasons of velvet finished with Alberto leaving with someone or leaving by himself. First season he left in a car with Christina/ second season he left in a car with Ann/ third season he left by himself on a plane/fourth season he Ann Alberto junior and grandfather will leave in a horse π΄ draw carriage πππ
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Post by Christine on Nov 17, 2016 21:13:07 GMT -5
In Spain there was death penalty during the dictatorship, by garrote vil en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote So that's what is awaiting for Enrique if he is found out. The show creators have a strange sense of justice though, they saved Sofia in GH giving her a good ending and she killed two women. what awaits Patricia?
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Post by Christine on Nov 17, 2016 21:18:03 GMT -5
In Spain there was death penalty during the dictatorship, by garrote vil en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote So that's what is awaiting for Enrique if he is found out. The show creators have a strange sense of justice though, they saved Sofia in GH giving her a good ending and she killed two women. what awaits Patricia? To me what she did is worst than what Enrique did at least he had a reason, what is her reason? That Valentine loves her too much I am so mad about this storyline it is wrong on every level.
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 17, 2016 23:28:13 GMT -5
I didn't get to watch the livestream but just saw it on Dailymotion. SO exited about the Raul and Humberto story, and obviously the letter Mateo received. Would have liked to see the fallout of Clara's fling with Marco and disapproving conversations with Rita/Ana............ I miss Luisa too. Patricia's storyline is annoying me now. Never understood why she was always a mainstay character. Valentin didn't deserve it and I agree with Krys, it is hard to sympathize with the two. I wonder what Barbara's role will be when she makes an appearance. I coudldn't tell from the previews if Miguel Angel will make an appearance next episode or not. I also don't get why Ana wants Alberto Jr. to have a father to the point she will marry Carlos. As Don Emilio said, she didn't have her parents around and she turned out fine!
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Post by tropikaldawl on Nov 17, 2016 23:39:52 GMT -5
Another thing that bothered me was that they seemed to gloss what happened to Pedro. It's very hard to believe that Marco would keep him at Velvet after all that happened, even if it is back to his old job. Pedro was on thin ice as it was. Rita's recovery also seemed to be too quick and no exploration how she feels about her new body. I completely felt the same way. The thing with Velvet is that sometimes you just have to go with it even though many storylines are left incomplete or don't make sense, even more true this season I think because things are sometimes happening without the build-up we would get in previous seasons, and with the 5 year gap it is unclear why some of the characters did or did not evolve into what they are today.
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