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Post by Adrienne on Nov 10, 2016 0:30:50 GMT -5
Loved tonight's episode! I have a couple of questions that have been weighing on me. Why is Carlos helping Christina when he knows she's going to tell Alberto that they all thought he was dead. Isn't it a given that Ana is going to find out about him hiding the truth from him for all these years? I'm wondering if this was addressed and I missed it. It just seems like even if he manages to get her to marry him it will be short lived because the truth is going to come out. (Didn't Christina tell him she is going to expose everything once they're married?) Also, I cannot believe how heartless Marco is with the Rita situation, simply because it's Clara's sister. It is just perplexing to me. How can Clara be with someone who is such a bastard. Is he not even interested in attempting to pretend to care about how Clara is doing with her sister being sick? Oh, and I was happy for all of you missing Alberto to see his letter to Mateo in the promo for next week! We have to just take everything at this point at face value. It really doesn't make sense that Carlos would in any way want Alberto back. I think Cristina would keep Carlos' involvement quiet and maybe tell Ana that she found out from Adele or some other way. It's just a really lame storyline, Ana can still leave him, it will tough to divorce him, but she can separate. Also once Alberto is back the kid will have a father and doesn't need a surrogate, Alberto will always have a presence in their lives. That's why this plot line is so dumb, especially because Cristina knows that you can't force anyone to stay together. It also makes zero sense that Adele didn't tell Alberto they all think he's dead and that she told Cristina otherwise. I am still waiting for what Cristina hopes to achieve with all this because they really haven't told us and it's not going work, so we won't see it unfold. I thought a better way to go was Cristina and Carlos trying to prevent Adele from connecting with Ana and keeping her designs from Silk. I mean Alberto sent her for dresses and to snoop around, he must have been curious how everything went down, but crickets. Cristina never mentioned her again and Carlos never asked Cristina how she found out, which was odd because if she found out anyone else could too. That's dangerous for Carlos. I still don't know what the hell Carlos gets from this whole thing. Marco has become a caricature. He had a lot of potential, but sadly never came close to reaching it. Just wondering if anyone has any theories, and I'm always wondering if I've missed something or misunderstood.
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Post by debmac on Nov 10, 2016 0:54:18 GMT -5
Loved tonight's episode! I have a couple of questions that have been weighing on me. Why is Carlos helping Christina when he knows she's going to tell Alberto that they all thought he was dead. Isn't it a given that Ana is going to find out about him hiding the truth from him for all these years? I'm wondering if this was addressed and I missed it. It just seems like even if he manages to get her to marry him it will be short lived because the truth is going to come out. (Didn't Christina tell him she is going to expose everything once they're married?) Also, I cannot believe how heartless Marco is with the Rita situation, simply because it's Clara's sister. It is just perplexing to me. How can Clara be with someone who is such a bastard. Is he not even interested in attempting to pretend to care about how Clara is doing with her sister being sick? Oh, and I was happy for all of you missing Alberto to see his letter to Mateo in the promo for next week! We have to just take everything at this point at face value. It really doesn't make sense that Carlos would in any way want Alberto back. I think Cristina would keep Carlos' involvement quiet and maybe tell Ana that she found out from Adele or some other way. It's just a really lame storyline, Ana can still leave him, it will tough to divorce him, but she can separate. Also once Alberto is back the kid will have a father and doesn't need a surrogate, Alberto will always have a presence in their lives. That's why this plot line is so dumb, especially because Cristina knows that you can't force anyone to stay together. It also makes zero sense that Adele didn't tell Alberto they all think he's dead and that she told Cristina otherwise. I am still waiting for what Cristina hopes to achieve with all this because they really haven't told us and it's not going work, so we won't see it unfold. I thought a better way to go was Cristina and Carlos trying to prevent Adele from connecting with Ana and keeping her designs from Silk. I mean Alberto sent her for dresses and to snoop around, he must have been curious how everything went down, but crickets. Cristina never mentioned her again and Carlos never asked Cristina how she found out, which was odd because if she found out anyone else could too. That's dangerous for Carlos. I still don't know what the hell Carlos gets from this whole thing. Marco has become a caricature. He had a lot of potential, but sadly never came close to reaching it. I think what Carlos gets from this is continual revenge for Alberto by marrying Ana. Besides he does love her or is obsessed with her and I think it gives him that sense that he is in control. I do think though that Ana will meet him at the alter but will change her mind because she cannot marry someone she is not in love with. After all she did leave Alberto at the alter before, but who the heck knows...lol Loving all these speculations though...lol
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Post by Adrienne on Nov 10, 2016 1:08:41 GMT -5
Also, was Marco ever more than a caricature? The only semi decent thing I remember him ever doing is being ok with Ana reporting Christina for pushing her down the stairs, and even then he wanted to try and fire her first. I must admit that I have a hard time forgiving Alberto for selling the store to the Cafeiro's. The only good thing to come out of that was Ana's career. Everyone else pretty much got screwed in the process. But we've got to have villains, I guess!
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Post by Lara on Nov 10, 2016 1:42:49 GMT -5
Nah, you didn't miss anything. Excuse the expression, but Cristina has him by the balls because she will out him to Ana if he doesn't do what she says. Now he's actually getting his way as per her instructions, so he's warming up to her. Ugh
I think he had some shades of gray last season. Like you mentioned getting rid of Cristina, he also called her out when she tried to get him to fire Ana. He seemed tough, but not into games like he told Patricia. He also checked on Ana and seemed genuinely concerned. That's why this reversal is so surprising because he's become the very thing he condemned. I really, really, really want Alberto to get Velvet back, but I don't see how he could. I hope we see Enrique carted off to jail after the collection is presented.
It's just so insane though because his initial relationship with Ana was so short lived. He's so the type that would have moved on to a young, naive flight attendant that he could control and manipulate. I think his reasoning has to be to conquer Ana since she's resistive and he's a control freak. He's the type that once their married he will start micromanaging her life. I think once she tries on that wedding dress she might realize it will be a mistake. At least I hope lol I still don't think they will make it to the altar. I can't picture her leaving two guys at the altar, imagine? Lol
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Post by debmac on Nov 10, 2016 2:10:46 GMT -5
Also, was Marco ever more than a caricature? The only semi decent thing I remember him ever doing is being ok with Ana reporting Christina for pushing her down the stairs, and even then he wanted to try and fire her first. I must admit that I have a hard time forgiving Alberto for selling the store to the Cafeiro's. The only good thing to come out of that was Ana's career. Everyone else pretty much got screwed in the process. But we've got to have villains, I guess! I figured they wrote the Caffeiros' storyline in because they knew MAS was not going to be around much and they wanted to bring in new players because Alberto did not want to leave it to the vultures. Alberto had no clue that Enzo was going to bring in his son to oversee the business. He was basically looking out for Ana and if he left it to the vultures she would be out. I think the whole writing of season four was based on MAD's absence for the majority of the season so I guess what we are seeing is the best they could do given the circumstances, however we all know there will be a happy ending. It's sad because MAS put so much time and effort into Sense8 and I read somewhere that it might be cancelled. If that's the case then he wasted a lot of time with them when we could of had him fully devoted to Velvet...smh
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 10, 2016 7:36:20 GMT -5
About Carlos and Ana, Carlos, like many of you have said is obsessed with Ana. He's in love with her. Regardless of whether Ana loves him or not he thinks, she'll learn to love him. Maybe he thinks like Christina did, if he can succeed in getting Ana to marry him, the marriage will be for life, and he'll deal with it if and when Alberto returns. If Alberto returns. Remember according to the letters Ana hasn't responded and Alberto has conceded in his mind that Ana doesn't want him. Maybe Carlos is banking on Alberto hearing his marriage to Ana, will give up and move on.
Christina wants to hear the pain in his voice, when she calls him with the news that Carlos and Ana are married. That her ultimate revenge. She wants to hurt Alberto where it hurts the most: losing Ana, and losing Ana to Carlos. It's hard to say whether she is considering that this news paves the way for a reunion between her and Alberto, but she is dilusional, so she may be considering it. But we know that will never happen.
Carlos will be the most affected by this when Alberto returns because it will come out that Carlos knew and hid the letters. And that's huge because he won't be able to deny it! Christina's involvement is fairly obscure at this moment, as it's a he said/she said scenario, and she can easily say she only just found out. What will happen when Alberto returns, is more about what will Christina do then. What sick and twisted plan will she have then. Carlos will come begging for help and she will disassociate herself from him to save herself. What she does next remains to be seen. And thast's the hole in this story. I want some comeuppance for Christina, but she's smart and twisted. Right now she's all cocky and self assurred but when her plan fails what then? Will she implode? Will we see it? Will she just disappear? Or will she lash out physically at Alberto, Ana? It's going to drive her mad when Alberto returns, reunites with Ana and all her control will have vanished. What more could she possibly do except go crazy!
I can't wait!!
I will garner a guess that Barbara's return will have the two conspiring against Ana and Alberto. It will be interesting on a side note that when Barabra returns what will she do when she finds out Patricia is pregnant with Enrique's child, and will she suspect Enrique's involvement with Valentine's death if he died? Will she be the catalyst for Enrique's downfall. Oh I hope so!! The ultimate revenge wouldn't you say!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 7:54:12 GMT -5
Ana has already warned him that his father is not going to like what he did. Now she will need to prove it, she just can't tell Enzo, she needs evidences. Because he thinks that Ana loves him and once they are married she will forget Alberto. The writers did well making their relationship sexless because now that's added to the fact that Ana as a catholic woman in the 50s. & 60.s would not break her marriage vows, she is not Barbara. At the end of the episode the "evil characters" spoke about themselves, Carlos loves Ana and has decided that Ana is the woman he wants as his wife and all that he is doing is the best for her. It was surprising for me when Marco said to Cristina that she was a daddy's girl, because he was not much better. The fact that he bullied Mateo and how he wanted Velvet to the managed, increasing hours, paying the same... Saving Ana (instead of using Mateo for example) and caring about her it was probably to show that he is not a cartoon evil guy. But he was part of the "high society" all the time, for him Rita and Pedro are nobodies, and he is just using Clara to have sex, he will marry a woman of his class in Italy. www.formulatv.com/series/galerias-velvet/audiencias/ From now and onward viewers will probably only rise, even if in the seventh episode Alberto doesn't appear, maybe a short time in the 8th plus the preview of the 9th? In the 9th Mateo brings back to sanity his friend, and in the 10th they travel to Madrid to stop the wedding, at the end of the 10th he and Ana reunite, and in the 11th they close remaining plots.
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Post by ohwhynot85 on Nov 10, 2016 8:58:18 GMT -5
Oh yes I got emotional. I know most of you don't agree so don't attack but I feel that this season is as good as it can get without Alberto. It shows how close the atelier friends have become...they are there for each other when needed. A sharp contrast to the upstairs office where their only connection is scheming against Ana except for Mateo...he is out of his comfort zone as opposed to his office at the magazine. Clara is the one in the middle. She was at Velvet on her own...Mateo was gone, Rita was living elsewhere with her family and Ana was always travelling. So naturally she was with Marco...but it never dawned on her that their relationship was kept from everyone....Marco must have wanted it that way to prevent word getting back to his father and fiancé and because she was just a secretary...It didn't bother Mateo. Now this episode brought them all back together...if allowed Mateo would have been there too. Do you think Valentin dies? His mother is really upset in the trailer but could that be because he was hurt? Enrique is such a scumbag! Marco too but we have already established that. I hope his father comes and pulls him by the ears back to Italy. And the little homey scene with Cristina and Carlos...I think they might just find "comfort" in each other when Ana finds out. It is starting to come together for me. Sorry debmac I just read your post and I basically repeated what you said. It is not the storyline that is making me depressed it is the length of time that this is taking the season is shorter than all the other ones and yet their seem to be no end to this cancer story why does take almost the whole eleven episode It took her three episodes alone before she told anyone she has cancer then it took her another two episodes to get the money the only thing that was done quickly was her having the surgery the very next day l am almost sure it will take another two episode before she is out of the hospital and one more episode of crying and sadness I know that velvet wasn't made for me a English speaking view but only reason I loved it was for the love story's the lying the cheating people navigating their way to find love like i cried when Alberto died in season three but the very next episode I was happy again why does this depressing cancer stuff has to take over the whole fourth season enough already. I know that the horse 🐴 has already left the gate so this is just me venting.🗣🗣 I'm sorry - but have you ever dealt with cancer in real life? You do know it doesn't go away in a matter of days/weeks/or hell, even episodes since we are watching a show. I think you have some serious unrealistic expectation with this storyline.
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Post by Lara on Nov 10, 2016 17:17:35 GMT -5
It would be ironic if that happened because I believe MAS absence from the show is a big part of why they decided to end it. I don't think he would consider S8 a waste though because it gave him greater exposure internationally and he was able to work with big Hollywood Directors.
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Post by debmac on Nov 10, 2016 17:47:33 GMT -5
It would be ironic if that happened because I believe MAS absence from the show is a big part of why they decided to end it. I don't think he would consider S8 a waste though because it gave him greater exposure internationally and he was able to work with big Hollywood Directors. From MAS perspective it was not a waste but from the Velvet fan's perspective it was a waste of time to devote so much time to Sense8 to have it cancelled. I'm just a selfish fan of Velvet...lol
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Post by Lara on Nov 10, 2016 18:12:53 GMT -5
It would be ironic if that happened because I believe MAS absence from the show is a big part of why they decided to end it. I don't think he would consider S8 a waste though because it gave him greater exposure internationally and he was able to work with big Hollywood Directors. From MAS perspective it was not a waste but from the Velvet fan's perspective it was a waste of time to devote so much time to Sense8 to have it cancelled. I'm just a selfish fan of Velvet...lol I'm with you, sister 🍻! I would much rather see him in Velvet than in Sense8. I miss him like crazy and can't wait until he gets back. I'm only sad that it's only for 2-3 episodes.
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Post by Christine on Nov 10, 2016 18:13:27 GMT -5
It is not the storyline that is making me depressed it is the length of time that this is taking the season is shorter than all the other ones and yet their seem to be no end to this cancer story why does take almost the whole eleven episode It took her three episodes alone before she told anyone she has cancer then it took her another two episodes to get the money the only thing that was done quickly was her having the surgery the very next day l am almost sure it will take another two episode before she is out of the hospital and one more episode of crying and sadness I know that velvet wasn't made for me a English speaking view but only reason I loved it was for the love story's the lying the cheating people navigating their way to find love like i cried when Alberto died in season three but the very next episode I was happy again why does this depressing cancer stuff has to take over the whole fourth season enough already. I know that the horse 🐴 has already left the gate so this is just me venting.🗣🗣 I'm sorry - but have you ever dealt with cancer in real life? You do know it doesn't go away in a matter of days/weeks/or hell, even episodes since we are watching a show. I think you have some serious unrealistic expectation with this storyline. My sister died of ovarian cancer at age 40 I am a nurse that works with cancer patients so I know about cancer this is why I don't want to have to deal with it in my fantasies the velvet that I knew and love took me away from my real life everyone that I recommend the show to I would say I want to be Ann with all her troubles that comes with loving Alberto they have the a love for each other that cannot be defined. This season is just too sad 😭 for me .
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Post by debmac on Nov 10, 2016 19:13:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry - but have you ever dealt with cancer in real life? You do know it doesn't go away in a matter of days/weeks/or hell, even episodes since we are watching a show. I think you have some serious unrealistic expectation with this storyline. My sister died of ovarian cancer at age 40 I am a nurse that works with cancer patients so I know about cancer this is why I don't want to have to deal with it in my fantasies the velvet that I knew and love took me away from my real life everyone that I recommend the show to I would say I want to be Ann with all her troubles that comes with loving Alberto they have the a love for each other that cannot be defined. This season is just too sad 😭 for me . That makes sense, Christine, why you feel the way you do about the duration of Rita's cancer storyline. I could see why it's so depressing to you. Pretty soon Alberto will be on the scene and warm our hearts 🤗🤗🤗
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Post by Christine on Nov 10, 2016 20:14:32 GMT -5
My sister died of ovarian cancer at age 40 I am a nurse that works with cancer patients so I know about cancer this is why I don't want to have to deal with it in my fantasies the velvet that I knew and love took me away from my real life everyone that I recommend the show to I would say I want to be Ann with all her troubles that comes with loving Alberto they have the a love for each other that cannot be defined. This season is just too sad 😭 for me . That makes sense, Christine, why you feel the way you do about the duration of Rita's cancer storyline. I could see why it's so depressing to you. Pretty soon Alberto will be on the scene and warm our hearts 🤗🤗🤗 [ Debmac I love MS but I don't watch just for him I love the friendship the family ties over all the writing is not bad but I have watch all four season and I have never seen them drawout a storyline has long had they did this cancer stuff cancer storyline should be done in small doses it is a very sensitive topic, When MS left at the end of season three I like the way they filled the few episodes that was left with matao and Clara's wedding I am not saying that they should not have done cancer but they would've done it in three episodes instead of seven why didn't they fill the spot with how Ann was raising Alberto and working Carla and Matao living together fighting about having kids there's a lot of holes that could've been filled until MS comes back. Just my opinion I know that the show was not made for English speaking people and that the people of Spain are very happy with it so this particular post is just my answer to you I will continue to watch the show I hope that this episode is the last one with so much sadness 😭🤒
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Post by debmac on Nov 10, 2016 20:30:54 GMT -5
That makes sense, Christine, why you feel the way you do about the duration of Rita's cancer storyline. I could see why it's so depressing to you. Pretty soon Alberto will be on the scene and warm our hearts 🤗🤗🤗 [ Debmac I love MS but I don't watch just for him I love the friendship the family ties over all the writing is not bad but I have watch all four season and I have never seen them drawout a storyline has long had they did this cancer stuff cancer storyline should be done in small doses it is a very sensitive topic, When MS left at the end of season three I like the way they filled the few episodes that was left with matao and Clara's wedding I am not saying that they should not have done cancer but they would've done it in three episodes instead of seven why didn't they fill the spot with how Ann was raising Alberto and working Carla and Matao living together fighting about having kids there's a lot of holes that could've been filled until MS comes back. Just my opinion I know that the show was not made for English speaking people and that the people of Spain are very happy with it so this particular post is just my answer to you I will continue to watch the show I hope that this episode is the last one with so much sadness 😭🤒 I understand what you mean.
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