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Post by Jane on Nov 2, 2016 0:41:41 GMT -5
They are aunt and niece in real life: -"tiene algo raro"/"she has something weird/odd/unusual"-. What she says is ambiguous in spanish though, because it makes only complete sense if instead of Petra who said that was Concha Velasco about her niece Manuela Velasco. Raul was the highlight of the episode for me, the scene with Jonas and the drawing board (Lemon yellow!) or later with Pedro, Jonas and Humberto were hilarious. Pedro is still embarrassing to watch, putting himself in very difficult positions while trying to do what he thinks is the best for his cousin, you know how much Marco looks down on him and he is unaware of that disdain, it's not easy to watch. Rita and Clara scenes were full of tenderness and pain and love, sigh, my favourite characters  . Don Emilio and Doña Blanca are more and more the parents of everyone, maybe "their union" ends like something platonic and symbolic of this fact. Clara and Mateo scenes together make me smile like a fool, haha, now she is more invested than him (or looks like that) but i think that's going to change soon. They gave some hints about how Clara was very jealous of other women, maybe that is a big part of their separation. And Ana is the heroine of the story, and any hero needs evil villains to fight and have odds against them. Thanks for clarifying the behind the scenes info. so in essence that was a wink to the audience who know they are truly related . Ahhh. Yes Ana is the heroine of Velvet..But it's peculiar because she doesn't know all these characters are plotting against wanting to see her fail (ok with Marco she has a clue he's being difficult) I still can't figure it out...is Marco jealous of Ana or is he just plain mean? How can establishing another successful fashion line not mean more success for Velvet? Wouldn't a businessman want that? It's easy to understand Cristina's jealousy. But not getting what Enrique gains, or Patricia. Patricia is not a shareholder and is not involved in the plot against Ana. She should be upset when she finds out Enrique is involved because that is her nephew's mother, but they don't seem to have much of a relationship. I want to know how Ana can do two fashion lines simultaneously, ready to wear and couture. Seems like too much work for one designer. |
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 4:00:50 GMT -5
Yes Ana is the heroine of Velvet..But it's peculiar because she doesn't know all these characters are plotting against wanting to see her fail (ok with Marco she has a clue he's being difficult) I'm not sure Enrique is on her radar because he's supposed to be involved in menswear. As for Cristina, the only reason for her to be working with Carlos is because Alberto's alive -- that was the trigger. As long as Ana doesn't know Alberto's alive, she has no reason to suspect that Cristina/Carlos are plotting. There are a few things going on with Marco: 1. Marco/Ana don't like each other anyway. When she came to see him in his office in 4x1, they were cold to each other and there was tension in the air even before she mentioned ready-to-wear. It's definitely a change from S3, when they seemed to like each other, and I've complained before that it's an abrupt change on a show where the other relationships (save Clara/Mateo) haven't changed drastically from S3 to S4, but I guess we're supposed to assume that over the last five years Marco/Ana have clashed so much that they have a bad relationship. Realistic, but jarring. 2. Marco genuinely lacks the imagination to see how ready-to-wear can help Velvet. 3. Marco is holding a serious grudge after the way his father sided with Ana/Mateo. So now he really wants them to fail -- it's not business, it's personal. So his dislike of Ana, his stubbornness and lack of creativity, and his wounded pride are all motivating him here. |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 6:09:06 GMT -5
Yes Ana is the heroine of Velvet..But it's peculiar because she doesn't know all these characters are plotting against wanting to see her fail (ok with Marco she has a clue he's being difficult) I'm not sure Enrique is on her radar because he's supposed to be involved in menswear. As for Cristina, the only reason for her to be working with Carlos is because Alberto's alive -- that was the trigger. As long as Ana doesn't know Alberto's alive, she has no reason to suspect that Cristina/Carlos are plotting. There are a few things going on with Marco: 1. Marco/Ana don't like each other anyway. When she came to see him in his office in 4x1, they were cold to each other and there was tension in the air even before she mentioned ready-to-wear. It's definitely a change from S3, when they seemed to like each other, and I've complained before that it's an abrupt change on a show where the other relationships (save Clara/Mateo) haven't changed drastically from S3 to S4, but I guess we're supposed to assume that over the last five years Marco/Ana have clashed so much that they have a bad relationship. Realistic, but jarring. 2. Marco genuinely lacks the imagination to see how ready-to-wear can help Velvet. 3. Marco is holding a serious grudge after the way his father sided with Ana/Mateo. So now he really wants them to fail -- it's not business, it's personal. So his dislike of Ana, his stubbornness and lack of creativity, and his wounded pride are all motivating him here. . Is anyone else upset with Carla sleeping with Marco matao worse nightmare that is a slap 👋 in matao face why couldn't they pair her with someone else. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 8:35:49 GMT -5
matao I going to be very upset with Clara for sleeping with Marco I would be too of all the men in Spain she chose him matao number one enemy. I don't know how a guy in Spain would react to what she did but in the state that is a no no . Alfi can you share your opinion please. This is what i think is going to happen. Both are still in love and care about each other. Now Clara is the one who shows interest in solving their problems, and Mateo just being polite, like he already overcame the breakup. Mateo will eventually find out that Clara and Marco are together, and he is going to have a jealous attack, but instead of telling Clara the truth, that he is still mad in love with her and watching her with another man is breaking his heart and making him the most unhappy man in the world, he is going to do some dumb thing, like date a beauty to make Clara jealous. Which will have the effect he actually doesn't want, because that's what Clara fears most, leading Clara to think that he is done with her. At some point Mateo will become brave enough to tell Clara the truth, probably in the moment he thinks that he is definitively going to lose her forever and then we will see a very passionate kiss of forgiveness and reconciliation. 1. Marco/Ana don't like each other anyway. When she came to see him in his office in 4x1, they were cold to each other and there was tension in the air even before she mentioned ready-to-wear. It's definitely a change from S3, when they seemed to like each other, and I've complained before that it's an abrupt change on a show where the other relationships (save Clara/Mateo) haven't changed drastically from S3 to S4, but I guess we're supposed to assume that over the last five years Marco/Ana have clashed so much that they have a bad relationship. Realistic, but jarring. If you are working for a company and the new boss decides all the workers are going to work one or two more hours everyday without a salary increase because he wants to make more money, what would you think? syndicates were forbidden in Spain, and Ana as the main designer and generator of richness for the Cafieros uses her influence to fight for the rights of her coworkers, the confrontation was unavoidable. You are all being very lenient with him because he saved Ana from Cristina, but that's what any man who calls himself a man would do. Take notice also that all this doesn't mean that he is not redeemable, the fact that he saved Ana means he can be, and maybe it's part of his arc to understand that Ana was right and he will go back to Italy as a better man after a lesson in humility, eating humble pie. Yep, he is like a mogul of coal who was unable to understand that petrol was the future. He thinks that if he invests in the ready-to-wear he is going to lose what he already has. Yeah, that's the biggest affront, his father overruling his authority giving the reason to Ana and Mateo, to a proud man like him that was very insulting. I though that as an actor Francesco Testi was a bit wooden, but he is surprising me in this new season, he is really good in his bad guy role. Also his spanish is really good, though for italians is "easy" to accomplish that in such a short time. |
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Post by ladyfromcanada on Nov 2, 2016 9:36:39 GMT -5
I watched finally the second part of E4, thank you, and here are my observations"
Humberto and Raul are like two people in love but fight first before they discover it. At this moment I don't like Humberto. He bothers me. Poor poor Petro, just can't catch a break. He's such a wimp when it comes to Marco although I can see him wanting to save his job. Nice touch between Petro and Rita talking about Jonas. Rita is definitly the sane one who puts everything in perpective.
Christina, all she ever goes on about is respect! "I want them to respect me" blah blah blah...she needs to earn it! She surpirses me to no end when she recognizes that Ana would feel concern about the employees of the store but sees that as a character flaw somehow. She's got Ana all figured out. But what's interesting is Carlos dosesn't seem to have the "evil" in him like Christina does. I find he's actually concerned about what Ana would think if he got involved in her business. He knows Ana doesn't take too kindly to his interference because Carlos knows he's not on secure ground with Ana. He knows Ana doesn't love him, so he knows that any interference could cause him some backlash. He's more hesitant but seems anxious about Christina willingness to contact Alberto and knows he's running out of time. He has to make this happen before she does. Christina has him right where she wants him. I also think even though it was cruel to say the least that he kept Alberto's letters, and he isn't a saint, but I suspect he now knows the lengths Christina will go to get revenge and that even scares him a little. He's like a deer caught in the headlights of a car. He looks scared whenever he sees Christina.
Another thing Christina is going against what Enrique and Marco want. Interesting. I wonder whose putting up the extra money for the Pret-a-porter new digs? Christina? Carlos? Also when Carlos takes Ana blindfolded it didn't look like Aoritas's(?) store. Was this entirely new digs (store)? It looks so very differtent from what Ana used to go to when she went to Aoritas(?) store to drop off her dresses?
I'm assuming Marco still owns 60% of Velvet and Enrique and Christina split the 40% so have equal shares between them. I also can't understand the hate between Enrique and Ana. I understand Marco's but not Enrique's. Is it her ties to Alberto, his ties to Christina? Feels she's responsible for Christina's breakdown?
Mateo will flip when he finds out about Clara and Marco, and I suspect Marco will get great joy in telling Mateo about his relationship. That will really hurt Mateo. Clara however has no one to blame but herself. That's a shame. I also love the relationship between Mateo and Ana. I think if Alberto wasn't coming back I would accept a relationship between the 2. Better Mateo than Carlos!!
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 9:42:36 GMT -5
matao I going to be very upset with Clara for sleeping with Marco I would be too of all the men in Spain she chose him matao number one enemy. I don't know how a guy in Spain would react to what she did but in the state that is a no no . Alfi can you share your opinion please. This is what i think is going to happen. Both are still in love and care about each other. Now Clara is the one who shows interest in solving their problems, and Mateo just being polite, like he already overcame the breakup. Mateo will eventually find out that Clara and Marco are together, and he is going to have a jealous attack, but instead of telling Clara the truth, that he is still mad in love with her and watching her with another man is breaking his heart and making him the most unhappy man in the world, he is going to do some dumb thing, like date a beauty to make Clara jealous. Which will have the effect he actually doesn't want, because that's what Clara fears most, leading Clara to think that he is done with her. At some point Mateo will become brave enough to tell Clara the truth, probably in the moment he thinks that he is definitively going to lose her forever and then we will see a very passionate kiss of forgiveness and reconciliation. 1. Marco/Ana don't like each other anyway. When she came to see him in his office in 4x1, they were cold to each other and there was tension in the air even before she mentioned ready-to-wear. It's definitely a change from S3, when they seemed to like each other, and I've complained before that it's an abrupt change on a show where the other relationships (save Clara/Mateo) haven't changed drastically from S3 to S4, but I guess we're supposed to assume that over the last five years Marco/Ana have clashed so much that they have a bad relationship. Realistic, but jarring. If you are working for a company and the new boss decides all the workers are going to work one or two more hours everyday without a salary increase because he wants to make more money, what would you think? syndicates were forbidden in Spain, and Ana as the main designer and generator of richness for the Cafieros uses her influence to fight for the rights of her coworkers, the confrontation was unavoidable. You are all being very lenient with him because he saved Ana from Cristina, but that's what any man who calls himself a man would do. Take notice also that all this doesn't mean that he is not redeemable, the fact that he saved Ana means he can be, and maybe it's part of his arc to understand that Ana was right and he will go back to Italy as a better man after a lesson in humility, eating humble pie. Yep, he is like a mogul of coal who was unable to understand that petrol was the future. He thinks that if he invests in the ready-to-wear he is going to lose what he already has. Yeah, that's the biggest affront, his father overruling his authority giving the reason to Ana and Mateo, to a proud man like him that was very insulting. I though that as an actor Francesco Testi was a bit wooden, but he is surprising me in this new season, he is really good in his bad guy role. Also his spanish is really good, though for italians is "easy" to accomplish that in such a short time. [. Alfi I know what is going to happen we have been down this road before we then, my question was how would you feel about your ex sleeping with your worst enemy? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 12:38:10 GMT -5
Alfi I know what is going to happen we have been down this road before we then, my question was how would you feel about your ex sleeping with your worst enemy? I have not worst enemy, no exes i care about  but in the case i would have an ex i still care about and she was sleeping/dating someone i despise? it's not my business what she does, and the worst you can say to someone you care is that you dislike his/her couple, and it doesn't matter that you are right about that, it's a relationship breaker. |
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Post by louisapastoors on Nov 2, 2016 15:13:21 GMT -5
Maybe I have missed something, but i am really bothered by one part of the show. When Adele saw the shock on Christina's face when she told her about Alberto and Christina mentions he "dead", would Adele not think to go tell Alberto that all of velvet think he is dead, therefore including Anna? It just doesn't flow.
PS- my blood literally BOILS when I see Carlos..
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Post by fotini on Nov 2, 2016 15:44:44 GMT -5
thank you very much
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 16:21:02 GMT -5
Does anyone knows if the episode is done already |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 16:21:45 GMT -5
Does anyone knows if the episode is done already |
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Post by Christine on Nov 2, 2016 16:40:35 GMT -5
Does anyone knows if the episode is done already I cannot find it in New York now did it show in Spain yet I just came home Alfi where are you? |
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Post by northboundtrain on Nov 2, 2016 16:41:39 GMT -5
Does anyone knows if the episode is done already I cannot find it in New York now did it show in Spain yet I just came home Alfi where are you? The show hasn't started yet -- because of the time change, the show will air an hour later in the U.S. than it usually does, so it should start in a few minutes. I was confused, too. |
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Post by dalovelee on Nov 2, 2016 22:22:48 GMT -5
Maybe I have missed something, but i am really bothered by one part of the show. When Adele saw the shock on Christina's face when she told her about Alberto and Christina mentions he "dead", would Adele not think to go tell Alberto that all of velvet think he is dead, therefore including Anna? It just doesn't flow. PS- my blood literally BOILS when I see Carlos.. You and I are on the same page. I agree. I never understood how Adele who works for Alberto was sent to Velvet and then she doesn't report back what happened or who she spoke to. I mean if she even said Cristina's name and mentioned she was working there HOW was Alberto NOT on a plane and back in Madrid 24hrs later??  |
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Post by dalovelee on Nov 2, 2016 22:44:29 GMT -5
Christina, all she ever goes on about is respect! "I want them to respect me" blah blah blah...she needs to earn it! She surpirses me to no end when she recognizes that Ana would feel concern about the employees of the store but sees that as a character flaw somehow. She's got Ana all figured out. But what's interesting is Carlos dosesn't seem to have the "evil" in him like Christina does. I find he's actually concerned about what Ana would think if he got involved in her business. He knows Ana doesn't take too kindly to his interference because Carlos knows he's not on secure ground with Ana. He knows Ana doesn't love him, so he knows that any interference could cause him some backlash. He's more hesitant but seems anxious about Christina willingness to contact Alberto and knows he's running out of time. He has to make this happen before she does. Christina has him right where she wants him. I also think even though it was cruel to say the least that he kept Alberto's letters, and he isn't a saint, but I suspect he now knows the lengths Christina will go to get revenge and that even scares him a little. He's like a deer caught in the headlights of a car. He looks scared whenever he sees Christina. Another thing Christina is going against what Enrique and Marco want. Interesting. I wonder whose putting up the extra money for the Pret-a-porter new digs? Christina? Carlos? Also when Carlos takes Ana blindfolded it didn't look like Aoritas's(?) store. Was this entirely new digs (store)? It looks so very differtent from what Ana used to go to when she went to Aoritas(?) store to drop off her dresses? I'm assuming Marco still owns 60% of Velvet and Enrique and Christina split the 40% so have equal shares between them. I also can't understand the hate between Enrique and Ana. I understand Marco's but not Enrique's. Is it her ties to Alberto, his ties to Christina? Feels she's responsible for Christina's breakdown? Mateo will flip when he finds out about Clara and Marco, and I suspect Marco will get great joy in telling Mateo about his relationship. That will really hurt Mateo. Clara however has no one to blame but herself. That's a shame. I also love the relationship between Mateo and Ana. I think if Alberto wasn't coming back I would accept a relationship between the 2. Better Mateo than Carlos!! Hmmm, I think Carlos is the alluring devil who is controlling. The fact that he is plotting behind Ana's back is a bad sign. Maybe the writers want us the viewers to be torn because he looks like a good guy and he is being a father figure to Alberto. At this point I don't think it's fair now to little Alberto (if Alberto returns and finds out he has a son) that the little guy will feel loyal to Carlos and you can't remove an adult from a child's life who has shown him love and expect the Alberto to step in and win him over. I definitely don't like that Carlos has intercepted Ana's letters. That is cruel, because by doing that he kept Alberto Jr. from finding out about his father and being with him. Seriously it's annoying me so much Alberto not being in the storyline already. |
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. Don Emilio and Doña Blanca are more and more the parents of everyone, maybe "their union" ends like something platonic and symbolic of this fact. Clara and Mateo scenes together make me smile like a fool, haha, now she is more invested than him (or looks like that) but i think that's going to change soon. They gave some hints about how Clara was very jealous of other women, maybe that is a big part of their separation.
but in the case i would have an ex i still care about and she was sleeping/dating someone i despise? it's not my business what she does, and the worst you can say to someone you care is that you dislike his/her couple, and it doesn't matter that you are right about that, it's a relationship breaker.