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Post by Lara on Oct 21, 2016 20:06:03 GMT -5
Let's hope Christine. 🍻 Seems like Carlos will be around until at least ep 8 😢 Does a anyone find it strange they haven't mentioned what happened to Lucia? I haven't seen Pepita either and Manolito hasn't been mentioned at all. One other thing that struck me in this ep is how bad I felt for Pedro. He's such a simpleton, especially this season, and I hate how Marco is taking advantage and treating him. How about auntie Pilar what happened to her and her store ? What is the name of the singer I forgot I hope she comes for Ann's wedding and Elvira too the real wedding 😜 Did you notice she was on the cover of Mateo's magazine? It was the shot from 5 years ago when she came back to the store 😆 I wonder of Pilar will make an appearance down the line. She comes on at least once a season. I really hope we see Manolito at least once or Pedro is a dead beat dad. I miss seeing Pepita around. Simmer like some of the store personnel changed. The cute sales clerk is still there though.
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Post by primusoars on Oct 21, 2016 21:39:22 GMT -5
Hang in there Laura two more episode he should appear at the end of episode six or five 🕵️♀️🕵️♀️ Let's hope Christine. 🍻 Seems like Carlos will be around until at least ep 8 😢 Does a anyone find it strange they haven't mentioned what happened to Lucia? I haven't seen Pepita either and Manolito hasn't been mentioned at all. One other thing that struck me in this ep is how bad I felt for Pedro. He's such a simpleton, especially this season, and I hate how Marco is taking advantage and treating him. I do hate how Marco and Enrique treated Pedro too, they think he is a simpleton and rubbish so use him and discard him. The more I see the elite class past or present the less I have respect for them. One of the things that Alberto hates is the country club crowd in Madrid and Cristina will never understand it. He use Victor to get herself pregnant but Victor is never going to be good enough for her. I am glad he went back to the village and resolve his issue with his girlfriend. Barbara is quintessential high class nasty bitch and Cristina is wolf in a sheep skin clothing, they have no respect for them selfies. Ana is a victim of her life circumstances but she just work hard put the pain aside and do the very best she can. Cristina on the other hand have everything giving to her even a husband. But according to Alfi she is still plotting to hurt Alberto. Why can't she face the fact that Alberto doesn't love you and have some dignity and respect for yourself believe me " you are Worth it". I disagree with Alfi completely about the last scene in episode 3 between Cristina and Adele , that is badly written storyline. The scenario is so forced and not flow easily like Ana and Maeto's reunion and working together.
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Post by Lara on Oct 21, 2016 22:22:00 GMT -5
Let's hope Christine. 🍻 Seems like Carlos will be around until at least ep 8 😢 Does a anyone find it strange they haven't mentioned what happened to Lucia? I haven't seen Pepita either and Manolito hasn't been mentioned at all. One other thing that struck me in this ep is how bad I felt for Pedro. He's such a simpleton, especially this season, and I hate how Marco is taking advantage and treating him. I do hate how Marco and Enrique treated Pedro too, they think he is a simpleton and rubbish so use him and discard him. The more I see the elite class past or present the less I have respect for them. One of the things that Alberto hates is the country club crowd in Madrid and Cristina will never understand it. He use Victor to get herself pregnant but Victor is never going to be good enough for her. I am glad he went back to the village and resolve his issue with his girlfriend. Barbara is quintessential high class nasty bitch and Cristina is wolf in a sheep skin clothing, they have no respect for them selfies. Ana is a victim of her life circumstances but she just work hard put the pain aside and do the very best she can. Cristina on the other hand have everything giving to her even a husband. But according to Alfi she is still plotting to hurt Alberto. Why can't she face the fact that Alberto doesn't love you and have some dignity and respect for yourself believe me " you are Worth it". I disagree with Alfi completely about the last scene in episode 3 between Cristina and Adele , that is badly written storyline. The scenario is so forced and not flow easily like Ana and Maeto's reunion and working together. Another thing about the Pedro story that doesn't make sense is why he would give up his old job for a temporary one. Marco is going to eventually go back to Italy, so why would Pedro take a job that will come to an end? They said the other assistant left and got another job already. Marco obviously hired Pedro as a scam and will use and discard him once he outlives his usefulness and won't think twice about tossing him out of Velvet. I get annoyed from Pedro, but he doesn't deserve that. I hate Marco! Sadly, with the exception of Alberto and Enzo (who probably built his business from nothing), not one of the elite class has been a decent human being. Ana knows the value of hard work because of her background. However, I do wish she would infuse a bit of Alberto's background into raising their child. I don't think she should still be living at the store and she could afford to send him to private school for a better education. She is a good person with decent values, so I don't think he would be corrupted. Cristina's daughter to me is just like Cristina, pushy and mouthy. She asked Alberto Jr. if he lived in 'this boring place' and then she mouthed off to her mother, not that Cristina doesn't deserve it. Counter that with the way Alberto Jr. spoke to his mother, it was night and day. No, Cristina is not plotting revenge, she is scheming to get Alberto back. She slapped Carlos when he said none of the letters were for her, only Ana. I believe he also said the only way for her to get Alberto back is by not revealing he's alive to Ana. He's pushing all her crazy buttons, but the minute she chose to not allow Adele to speak with Ana, she made her choice. In her mind once Ana is removed from the equation, she will be able to get Alberto back. She's mentally ill and her obsession with Alberto is just a symptom of a bigger issue. The Adele storyline should never have happened because all it did was open up even bigger plot holes. For example, she knew he ditched the Cuba flight and went to Isantbul. There is no way Alberto wouldn't know that plane crashed. Also Cristina said nothing about not telling Alberto what she learned at Velvet. He sends her there and she says nothing about the huge bombshell that was dropped on her? Also Cristina was acting very fishy and Adele just let it go. Why wouldn't she insist on talking to Ana? She will be back for the dresses so she C/C will have to work quickly to make that not happen or get Ana to marry him. Ana and Mateo are awesome together. I just don't get what Ana's expecting from Aurora's. Marco just wanted to eliminate the living quarters to spite her. Any alternative he will shoot down. I get what they are setting up for long term, but for the story right now, it just makes Ana look naive. Valentin and Clara are much needed comic relief this episode. I feel really bad for the latter.
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Post by Liz on Oct 21, 2016 22:35:34 GMT -5
I wish I had a best friend like Mateo! 😄
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Post by primusoars on Oct 21, 2016 22:58:56 GMT -5
I do hate how Marco and Enrique treated Pedro too, they think he is a simpleton and rubbish so use him and discard him. The more I see the elite class past or present the less I have respect for them. One of the things that Alberto hates is the country club crowd in Madrid and Cristina will never understand it. He use Victor to get herself pregnant but Victor is never going to be good enough for her. I am glad he went back to the village and resolve his issue with his girlfriend. Barbara is quintessential high class nasty bitch and Cristina is wolf in a sheep skin clothing, they have no respect for them selfies. Ana is a victim of her life circumstances but she just work hard put the pain aside and do the very best she can. Cristina on the other hand have everything giving to her even a husband. But according to Alfi she is still plotting to hurt Alberto. Why can't she face the fact that Alberto doesn't love you and have some dignity and respect for yourself believe me " you are Worth it". I disagree with Alfi completely about the last scene in episode 3 between Cristina and Adele , that is badly written storyline. The scenario is so forced and not flow easily like Ana and Maeto's reunion and working together. Another thing about the Pedro story that doesn't make sense is why he would give up his old job for a temporary one. Marco is going to eventually go back to Italy, so why would Pedro take a job that will come to an end? They said the other assistant left and got another job already. Marco obviously hired Pedro as a scam and will use and discard him once he outlives his usefulness and won't think twice about tossing him out of Velvet. I get annoyed from Pedro, but he doesn't deserve that. I hate Marco! Sadly, with the exception of Alberto and Enzo (who probably built his business from nothing), not one of the elite class has been a decent human being. Ana knows the value of hard work because of her background. However, I do wish she would infuse a bit of Alberto's background into raising their child. I don't think she should still be living at the store and she could afford to send him to private school for a better education. She is a good person with decent values, so I don't think he would be corrupted. Cristina's daughter to me is just like Cristina, pushy and mouthy. She asked Alberto Jr. if he lived in 'this boring place' and then she mouthed off to her mother, not that Cristina doesn't deserve it. Counter that with the way Alberto Jr. spoke to his mother, it was night and day. No, Cristina is not plotting revenge, she is scheming to get Alberto back. She slapped Carlos when he said none of the letters were for her, only Ana. I believe he also said the only way for her to get Alberto back is by not revealing he's alive to Ana. He's pushing all her crazy buttons, but the minute she chose to not allow Adele to speak with Ana, she made her choice. In her mind once Ana is removed from the equation, she will be able to get Alberto back. She's mentally ill and her obsession with Alberto is just a symptom of a bigger issue. The Adele storyline should never have happened because all it did was open up even bigger plot holes. For example, she knew he ditched the Cuba flight and went to Isantbul. There is no way Alberto wouldn't know that plane crashed. Also Cristina said nothing about not telling Alberto what she learned at Velvet. He sends her there and she says thing about the huge bombshell that was dropped on her? Also Cristina was acting very fishy and Adele just let it go. Why wouldn't she insist on talking to Ana? She will be back for the dresses so she C/C will have to work quickly to make that not happen or get Ana to marry him. Ana and Mateo are awesome together. I just don't get what Ana's expecting from Aurora's. Marco just wanted to eliminate the living quarters to spite her. Any alternative he will shoot down. I get what they are setting up for long term, but for the story right now, it just makes Ana look naive. Valentin and Clara are much needed comic relief this episode. I feel really bad for the latter. The storyline about Marco fighting Ana's "ready make" clothing doesn't make sense, doesn't he like "profit" for his family? Doesn't Ana has the reputation already for making "Velvet" successful! why Marco and Enrique want to sabotage the project? What do they gain by doing it? May be some of you believe this is an excellent storyline but I can't see it, it is full of potholes (plot holes).
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Post by Liz on Oct 21, 2016 23:11:35 GMT -5
Another thing about the Pedro story that doesn't make sense is why he would give up his old job for a temporary one. Marco is going to eventually go back to Italy, so why would Pedro take a job that will come to an end? They said the other assistant left and got another job already. Marco obviously hired Pedro as a scam and will use and discard him once he outlives his usefulness and won't think twice about tossing him out of Velvet. I get annoyed from Pedro, but he doesn't deserve that. I hate Marco! Sadly, with the exception of Alberto and Enzo (who probably built his business from nothing), not one of the elite class has been a decent human being. Ana knows the value of hard work because of her background. However, I do wish she would infuse a bit of Alberto's background into raising their child. I don't think she should still be living at the store and she could afford to send him to private school for a better education. She is a good person with decent values, so I don't think he would be corrupted. Cristina's daughter to me is just like Cristina, pushy and mouthy. She asked Alberto Jr. if he lived in 'this boring place' and then she mouthed off to her mother, not that Cristina doesn't deserve it. Counter that with the way Alberto Jr. spoke to his mother, it was night and day. No, Cristina is not plotting revenge, she is scheming to get Alberto back. She slapped Carlos when he said none of the letters were for her, only Ana. I believe he also said the only way for her to get Alberto back is by not revealing he's alive to Ana. He's pushing all her crazy buttons, but the minute she chose to not allow Adele to speak with Ana, she made her choice. In her mind once Ana is removed from the equation, she will be able to get Alberto back. She's mentally ill and her obsession with Alberto is just a symptom of a bigger issue. The Adele storyline should never have happened because all it did was open up even bigger plot holes. For example, she knew he ditched the Cuba flight and went to Isantbul. There is no way Alberto wouldn't know that plane crashed. Also Cristina said nothing about not telling Alberto what she learned at Velvet. He sends her there and she says thing about the huge bombshell that was dropped on her? Also Cristina was acting very fishy and Adele just let it go. Why wouldn't she insist on talking to Ana? She will be back for the dresses so she C/C will have to work quickly to make that not happen or get Ana to marry him. Ana and Mateo are awesome together. I just don't get what Ana's expecting from Aurora's. Marco just wanted to eliminate the living quarters to spite her. Any alternative he will shoot down. I get what they are setting up for long term, but for the story right now, it just makes Ana look naive. Valentin and Clara are much needed comic relief this episode. I feel really bad for the latter. The storyline about Marco fighting Ana's "ready make" clothing doesn't make sense, doesn't he like "profit" for his family? Doesn't Ana has the reputation already for making "Velvet" successful! why Marco and Enrique want to sabotage the project? What do they gain by doing it? May be some of you believe this is an excellent storyline but I can't see it, it is full of potholes (plot holes). Sad that the writers have gotten sloppy. Season 1 really was the best...
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Post by Lara on Oct 21, 2016 23:17:04 GMT -5
Another thing about the Pedro story that doesn't make sense is why he would give up his old job for a temporary one. Marco is going to eventually go back to Italy, so why would Pedro take a job that will come to an end? They said the other assistant left and got another job already. Marco obviously hired Pedro as a scam and will use and discard him once he outlives his usefulness and won't think twice about tossing him out of Velvet. I get annoyed from Pedro, but he doesn't deserve that. I hate Marco! Sadly, with the exception of Alberto and Enzo (who probably built his business from nothing), not one of the elite class has been a decent human being. Ana knows the value of hard work because of her background. However, I do wish she would infuse a bit of Alberto's background into raising their child. I don't think she should still be living at the store and she could afford to send him to private school for a better education. She is a good person with decent values, so I don't think he would be corrupted. Cristina's daughter to me is just like Cristina, pushy and mouthy. She asked Alberto Jr. if he lived in 'this boring place' and then she mouthed off to her mother, not that Cristina doesn't deserve it. Counter that with the way Alberto Jr. spoke to his mother, it was night and day. No, Cristina is not plotting revenge, she is scheming to get Alberto back. She slapped Carlos when he said none of the letters were for her, only Ana. I believe he also said the only way for her to get Alberto back is by not revealing he's alive to Ana. He's pushing all her crazy buttons, but the minute she chose to not allow Adele to speak with Ana, she made her choice. In her mind once Ana is removed from the equation, she will be able to get Alberto back. She's mentally ill and her obsession with Alberto is just a symptom of a bigger issue. The Adele storyline should never have happened because all it did was open up even bigger plot holes. For example, she knew he ditched the Cuba flight and went to Isantbul. There is no way Alberto wouldn't know that plane crashed. Also Cristina said nothing about not telling Alberto what she learned at Velvet. He sends her there and she says thing about the huge bombshell that was dropped on her? Also Cristina was acting very fishy and Adele just let it go. Why wouldn't she insist on talking to Ana? She will be back for the dresses so she C/C will have to work quickly to make that not happen or get Ana to marry him. Ana and Mateo are awesome together. I just don't get what Ana's expecting from Aurora's. Marco just wanted to eliminate the living quarters to spite her. Any alternative he will shoot down. I get what they are setting up for long term, but for the story right now, it just makes Ana look naive. Valentin and Clara are much needed comic relief this episode. I feel really bad for the latter. The storyline about Marco fighting Ana's "ready make" clothing doesn't make sense, doesn't he like "profit" for his family? Doesn't Ana has the reputation already for making "Velvet" successful! why Marco and Enrique want to sabotage the project? What do they gain by doing it? May be some of you believe this is an excellent storyline but I can't see it, it is full of potholes (plot holes). Honestly, a lot of the stories have major plot holes. They are putting plot before believability and character development. Ana was a lot smarter and stronger in the first couple of seasons than she is now. Her "toughness" this season also isn't convincing, she's no Patricia, who I consider tough. I think Ana declared war when she went over Marco's head with Enzo. I think that infuriated him and that's why he's now bent on destroying her. She also brought back his old rival, Mateo, who kind of embarrassed him at the dinner and now by taking his office. Plus the Clara stuff, but I'm not really sure how deep that relationship actually is. Something must have happened in the past 5 years to deteriorate Ana and Marco's relationship because from the minute she walked into his office the first ep, there was animosity between the two. I think next week Cristina joins in, no surprise there. Liz- definitely more sloppy and not as logical as the first couple of seasons. Characters behaved consistently and not nearly this amount of plot holes . I feel like the characters have been dumbed down, namely Anna the past couple of seasons.
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Post by primusoars on Oct 22, 2016 7:02:08 GMT -5
The storyline about Marco fighting Ana's "ready make" clothing doesn't make sense, doesn't he like "profit" for his family? Doesn't Ana has the reputation already for making "Velvet" successful! why Marco and Enrique want to sabotage the project? What do they gain by doing it? May be some of you believe this is an excellent storyline but I can't see it, it is full of potholes (plot holes). Honestly, a lot of the stories have major plot holes. They are putting plot before believability and character development. Ana was a lot smarter and stronger in the first couple of seasons than she is now. Her "toughness" this season also isn't convincing, she's no Patricia, who I consider tough. I think Ana declared war when she went over Marco's head with Enzo. I think that infuriated him and that's why he's now bent on destroying her. She also brought back his old rival, Mateo, who kind of embarrassed him at the dinner and now by taking his office. Plus the Clara stuff, but I'm not really sure how deep that relationship actually is. Something must have happened in the past 5 years to deteriorate Ana and Marco's relationship because from the minute she walked into his office the first ep, there was animosity between the two. I think next week Cristina joins in, no surprise there. Liz- definitely more sloppy and not as logical as the first couple of seasons. Characters behaved consistently and not nearly this amount of plot holes . I feel like the characters have been dumbed down, namely Anna the past couple of seasons. If something happened in the past 5 years it was never reviled to the audience between Marco and Ana. May be the writers just have to cramp the side storylines into the season and call it quits. Disappointing!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 8:08:05 GMT -5
I know that many of you only like the series because MAS, and the lack of him is taking its toll, but come on, there are not plot holes in the Marco arc. We know thanks to Don Emilio, Jonas, Pedro, Ana and Mateo that he is not the best of the bosses. He already had a confrontation with Ana in the S3 because he was stepping on the workers' rights. Ana and him dislike each other, and Ana went to Marco's father to overcome his authority, something that for him was personal. The pret-a-porter is a serious risk for Velvet, and Ana acknowledged it to Rita and Blanca, Marco believes that's going to be the ruin of Velvet, that's why he is against it, but he is under his father command, so he needs to ruin Ana's plan.
And about Cristina, you are going to watch it when the 2nd part is released by VV, Cristina is not S3 Cristina, she wants revenge, she wants to punish Alberto, she hits Carlos because he hid the letters from Ana, she was unimpressed when he told her that she could be back with Alberto, she is done with Alberto's love now. She knows pretty well thanks to the letters (and that last one was the final straw), that Alberto's life makes no sense without Ana, so she is going to punish him making Ana marry Carlos. Ana is going to be in a church swearing eternal loyalty to Carlos if that happens, nowadays nobody will raise an eyebrow if Ana dumped Carlos after the wedding, but 60's Ana, Don Emilio's child... marrying is pretty serious for her.
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Post by primusoars on Oct 22, 2016 9:54:16 GMT -5
I know that many of you only like the series because MAS, and the lack of him is taking its toll, but come on, there are not plot holes in the Marco arc. This is kind of belittling, how the hell do u you know what I m watching for, so u just defending the plot lines even when we think it is illogical, stupid and rushed. Why r you defending it? R u the writers PR person? I can be be belittling too. We know thanks to Don Emilio, Jonas, Pedro, Ana and Mateo that he is not the best of the bosses. He already had a confrontation with Ana in the S3 because he was stepping on the workers' rights. Ana and him dislike each other, and Ana went to Marco's father to overcome his authority, something that for him was personal. The pret-a-porter is a serious risk for Velvet, and Ana acknowledged it to Rita and Blanca, Marco believes that's going to be the ruin of Velvet, that's why he is against it, but he is under his father command, so he needs to ruin Ana's plan. And about Cristina, you are going to watch it when the 2nd part is released by VV, Cristina is not S3 Cristina, she wants revenge, she wants to punish Alberto, she hits Carlos because he hid the letters from Ana, she was unimpressed when he told her that she could be back with Alberto, she is done with Alberto's love now. She knows pretty well thanks to the letters (and that last one was the final straw), that Alberto's life makes no sense without Ana, so she is going to punish him making Ana marry Carlos. Ana is going to be in a church swearing eternal loyalty to Carlos if that happens, nowadays nobody will raise an eyebrow if Ana dumped Carlos after the wedding, but 60's Ana, Don Emilio's child... marrying is pretty serious for her.
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Post by primusoars on Oct 22, 2016 9:56:39 GMT -5
I know that many of you only like the series because MAS, and the lack of him is taking its toll, but come on, there are not plot holes in the Marco arc. We know thanks to Don Emilio, Jonas, Pedro, Ana and Mateo that he is not the best of the bosses. He already had a confrontation with Ana in the S3 because he was stepping on the workers' rights. Ana and him dislike each other, and Ana went to Marco's father to overcome his authority, something that for him was personal. The pret-a-porter is a serious risk for Velvet, and Ana acknowledged it to Rita and Blanca, Marco believes that's going to be the ruin of Velvet, that's why he is against it, but he is under his father command, so he needs to ruin Ana's plan. And about Cristina, you are going to watch it when the 2nd part is released by VV, Cristina is not S3 Cristina, she wants revenge, she wants to punish Alberto, she hits Carlos because he hid the letters from Ana, she was unimpressed when he told her that she could be back with Alberto, she is done with Alberto's love now. She knows pretty well thanks to the letters (and that last one was the final straw), that Alberto's life makes no sense without Ana, so she is going to punish him making Ana marry Carlos. Ana is going to be in a church swearing eternal loyalty to Carlos if that happens, nowadays nobody will raise an eyebrow if Ana dumped Carlos after the wedding, but 60's Ana, Don Emilio's child... marrying is pretty serious for her. This is kind of belittling, how the hell do u you know what I m watching for, so u just defending the plot lines even when we think it is illogical, stupid and rushed. Why r you defending it? R u the writers PR person? I can be be belittling too.
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Post by carlucc on Oct 22, 2016 10:29:18 GMT -5
This is kind of belittling, how the hell do u you know what I m watching for, so u just defending the plot lines even when we think it is illogical, stupid and rushed. Why r you defending it? R u the writers PR person? I can be be belittling too. Wow relax.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 11:01:28 GMT -5
This is kind of belittling, how the hell do u you know what I m watching for, so u just defending the plot lines even when we think it is illogical, stupid and rushed. Why r you defending it? R u the writers PR person? I can be be belittling too. Well, try to put yourself in my place. I like the plot and it's quite tiring reading how everything suck and everything don't make sense. If you don't like the plot, well, i'm fine with that, to each his own, but don't say these particular plots make no sense, because for me they do and i will argue trying to prove they do. And many people watch the series because they like MAS and the love story with Ana, so if you remove that from the series it's going to take a toll in how they like the whole thing, i was not trying to belittle anyone saying this, again, to each his own.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 11:05:12 GMT -5
What i'm basically saying is... be patient, let the story unfold first. I think it's really interesting what they are doing.
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Post by northboundtrain on Oct 22, 2016 11:17:41 GMT -5
Separate corners, everybody...
alfi, I think I understand what you meant, that Alberto is the main reason many people love the show, but it didn't quite come off that way in your original post, which is why primusoars took offense.
primusoars, I understand you were frustrated by alfi's judgement, but please don't return fire, because that can only escalate things.
And, everyone: Please try to be respectful of everyone else's position on the quality of the show right now. If people want to rant about the show, that's fine, and if the negativity gets to be too much, just take a break from the thread and post in one of the other threads where the negativity isn't as much of an issue.
And if people want to defend the show, that's fine, too -- it doesn't make someone a PR person...it just means that the defenders of the show have a different way of looking at things.
In the end, we're all here because we love the show. Point out disagreements in a respectful way, and if it continues on too long, instead of posting your frustration, just say "We'll agree to disagree" and change the subject, and look for points of agreement where possible.
End PSA.
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