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Post by Christine on Oct 20, 2016 17:58:00 GMT -5
Alfi matao and Alberto should matao be 😡 mad at him. Do you have Netflex if you do please watch this show it will put the whole reglion how when and who started it I am guessing that you are a curious person the name of the show is The BORGIAS true story I don't like abortion either but I believe every woman human being has the right to do what they deemed right for them as long has it is not affecting someone else life. Religion is the worst thing that could have happened to our planet 🌎 sometimes I think it was created to rid the planet of people it divideds people ever war that was ever fought has something to do with religion the longest war in history Israel and Palestine is about religion as John lenon said emigration if we didn't have religion then again there would be too many people on our planet 🌎 Nope, religion is the best thing that happened to this world, but like many other good things it ended being used by despicable people who just wanted to promote themselves. I'm agnostic yet i accept this like an indisputable fact, western culture, which i love, is based on Christianity... yes, the western world created many injustices, yet it created a better world for everyone, it's far from being perfect, but everyone is trying to make it better... so the road to hell is paved with good intentions saying was born. The Borgia were the last Spanish popes in history, because of their actions, they stopped electing Spanish popes in Rome... i know about their story... the fun fact is that they created a lot of good things also. I love the female friendship between Ana, Clara and Rita in this series... Mateo, Alberto and Raul friendship almost "speaks" to me though, i find myself, and my relation with my friends, very close/reflected in their friendship? (or what i would like it looks like  )... we men are less likely to keep relationships in touch though, that's maybe something that women can't understand, but for men friendship it's a bit different. We don't believe that distance takes a toll in our friendship, and we are wrong about it, but we are always supportive of each other if our relationship is like Alberto and Mateo, even if we beat the crap of each other like they did. . Are you saying that we need religion to know what is right and what is wrong if you were born in a place you didn't hear your parents or the people around you speaking about God Would you have grown up to be a bad person I believe that people way back in the day could not read did not know science has no explanation of what happened in nature so they decided that it must be some gods that is going all these amazing things that theory went from generations to generations this is why we have so many different religion and different gods . We are smart we have all this knowledge and technology but yet we continue to pass down old and out dated believes to our children.my niece is seven years old and she asked me why does some of her friends keep talking about god yet they cannot show her him she would like to talk to him the way she is talking to me because she has a lot of questions for him she said her friend said that they have never seen him or touched him no one has in conclusion she said auntie if I cannot see or touch god how can he be real. I said to her ask your friends the same questions you just ask me. I don't believe religion is what makes the world better it's education . You didn't answer my question should matao be mad? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 18:36:42 GMT -5
Yes, if i were Mateo i would be mad about his stupid behaviour, not calling him in five fucking years, being so coward with Ana...i even would beat the crap out of him if he is still acting like a child... but after all that, he is still Alberto, the friend he loves.
Nope, i prefer philosophy to take over this... but philosophy itself is chained to relig¡on
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Post by blatina on Oct 20, 2016 18:44:59 GMT -5
Lol did anyone notice all the songs are in english?
Anyhow, seems like Christina is back to her old self. Its time to let Alberto go. I hope he makes an appearance soon instead of us waiting till the end (or near end) of the season.
I hope Clare and Mateo get back together!
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Post by Christine on Oct 20, 2016 18:54:05 GMT -5
Yes, if i were Mateo i would be mad about his stupid behaviour, not calling him in five fucking years, being so coward with Ana...i even would beat the crap out of him if he is still acting like a child... but after all that, he is still Alberto, the friend he loves. Nope, i prefer philosophy to take over this... but philosophy itself is chained to relig¡on I agree if you notice Matao has no other male friends that he is that close to not even female only the ones he sleeps with I like the relationship that he has with Ann now remember how they hated each other. |
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Post by Christine on Oct 20, 2016 20:20:52 GMT -5
Hi vv when can we expect translation of episode 3 thank you again for doing this 🙏🏿😍
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Post by B Michelle on Oct 20, 2016 20:45:58 GMT -5
Anyone have the link without the english subtitles?  please! |
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Post by primusoars on Oct 21, 2016 0:02:18 GMT -5
Do you think Ana has slept with Carlos?? Hard to say, 20+ years old Ana in love with Alberto, even when he was married, would have never slept with another man. 30+ years old Ana, with a kid, still in love with Alberto but thinking he is dead though... and after watching her interact with Carlos... Peter Vives is a very attractive man, and women have sexual desires, or at least that what i was told , and five years have passed ... from a dramatic point of view if Ana slept with Carlos opens a whole "poisoned can" of very human and complex emotions, about loyalty, love, trust... If i had to bet i would say yes, she did, but you never know with this show. Anyway it's going to be really interesting how PE/Ana reacts when she knows everything... that is going to be really hard to watch. I don't think so, if Ana can't even say she loves him how can she slept with him. The whole love story is about Ana and Alberto's love with each other. Alberto is a man he may not equate sex with love but Ana does, she loves Alberto and the sex was the ultimate expression of her love with Alberto. When they were in NY Alberto thought Carlos was spend the night with Ana and angry all the way back to Madrid. I would not say Peter Vives is a very attractive man he is tall and lanky, not a very attractive face, very thin lips. Mateo, Marco, Raul and Alberto are attractive men. Just try to imagine Alberto in the Paris hotel with Ana and now replace that image with Carlos: Unthinkable! |
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Post by northboundtrain on Oct 21, 2016 7:39:39 GMT -5
Anyone have the link without the english subtitles? please! Hello and welcome to the board! It'll be a few days before the subtitles are ready because it's a time-consuming process -- first, VV has to translate all of the dialogue and then she has to use software to match each line of dialogue with the characters' mouths. Keep checking back in this thread and VV's Tumblr because she'll post links as soon as the subtitles are available! |
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Post by Lara on Oct 21, 2016 11:58:30 GMT -5
It doesn't seem like she slept with him, when he came back it was like two old friends meeting up again with a only a hug. That said, its been 5 years, so she might have. I agree that at that time Ana having sex with Alberto was her expression of love. This is an older Ana though, but I to agree with you, she's a character that has to love someone. That said, she may have felt obligated to sleep with Carlos after being with him in that sad relationship for so long. I completely agree with you on Peter Vives, when he first came on I couldn't understand how the women on the show were swooning. He has nice eyes, but overall I find him awkward looking. All the other men you mentioned are so much more attractive. It's like your hotel room comment, lol, he isn't sexy either. Alberto OTOH excluded sexiness. I also don't think C/A have much natural chemistry like A/A obviously do.
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Post by debmac on Oct 21, 2016 14:24:24 GMT -5
I don't think Ana and Carlos slept together. I think she cares for and admires him for being there for her and her son. I think Carlos will wait forever for her to love him. It seems like their schedules did not allow them to be as intimate plus I think whatever spare time she had she devoted her time to Alberto Jr. it seems like with her career and her son, her life is pretty full.
I do believe though that Cristina is hoping to prove to Alberto how much she loves him still, so much so that she could not bring herself to marry anyone else and prove how easy Ana moved on with her life by marrying Carlos. I think that's her intent. She will try to convince him how she changed.
Just my thoughts...lol
I honestly can't wait for Alberto's return.
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Post by dalovelee on Oct 21, 2016 14:51:55 GMT -5
I don't think Ana and Carlos slept together. I think she cares for and admires him for being there for her and her son. I think Carlos will wait forever for her to love him. It seems like their schedules did not allow them to be as intimate plus I think whatever spare time she had she devoted her time to Alberto Jr. it seems like with her career and her son, her life is pretty full. I do believe though that Cristina is hoping to prove to Alberto how much she loves him still, so much so that she could not bring herself to marry anyone else and prove how easy Ana moved on with her life by marrying Carlos. I think that's her intent. She will try to convince him how she changed. Just my thoughts...lol I honestly can't wait for Alberto's return. Yeah but Alberto NEVER stopped loving Ana. He basically scorched earth Velvet after he discover how Cristina lied and tried to ruin Ana. Him sending his assistant to Velvet to inquire about that red dress was his secret message to her? But she didn't get that. And it's my sneeky suspicion that Cristina looks like she turned a new leaf but she's just as crazy for Alberto he is her Achilles heel. Her obstacle is Ana and little Alberto. She knows there is no way she can get back with Alberto if he finds out about Alberto Jr. She may befriend Ana more and get persuade her to marry Carlos.. It's incredible but so many forces are working against Ana and Alberto. |
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Post by Lara on Oct 21, 2016 15:15:16 GMT -5
I don't think Ana and Carlos slept together. I think she cares for and admires him for being there for her and her son. I think Carlos will wait forever for her to love him. It seems like their schedules did not allow them to be as intimate plus I think whatever spare time she had she devoted her time to Alberto Jr. it seems like with her career and her son, her life is pretty full. I do believe though that Cristina is hoping to prove to Alberto how much she loves him still, so much so that she could not bring herself to marry anyone else and prove how easy Ana moved on with her life by marrying Carlos. I think that's her intent. She will try to convince him how she changed. Just my thoughts...lol I honestly can't wait for Alberto's return. That could very well be Cristina's angle. She's still all about getting Alberto back. The minute she blocked Adele from speaking to Ana, we knew she wasn't going to ever tell. Carlos is using her mental instability to his advantage though, not that he is too sane himself. She only slapped him when she demanded to see the letters and he told her they were all for Ana and none for her. She thought Alberto might have written her! My Spanish is limited, but I'm positive he also said something like hiding the truth about Alberto from Ana is the only way to get him back by her side. He's really playing her and I think he might set her up to take the fall when all is revealed. You're right, showing him how loyal she is could be something she tries to get Alberto with even though it's completely delusional, but that's want she is. He's been rejected in his mind by Ana for years and never once did he seek Cristina out. He hates her and she probably won't acknowledge that or that he has most likely been with 100 women that are 1000x better than she is and he still can't get over Ana. He never loved Cristina, not before, during or after the marriage, but her narcissistic personality disorder won't allow her admit that to herself. If her father didn't buy him, she would still be waiting for him to pay her any attention. She thinks she can convince him like she did with Raul and Humberto (or so she thinks). We know she's pushy. She thinks getting Ana out of the way will miraculously restore him to her side. She doesn't aknowledge the lack of love, compatibility, all the past history and the fact that it's 5-6 years later. I think she really believes Alberto thinks about her. Ana did step aside and Alberto still wanted nothing to do with her and got the annulment. It's sort of funny because when Cristina faked her pregnancy she told Ana to step aside to not split a family and her crazy self is trying to do just that now. She always thought with Ana out of the way, he would come back to her, so that might still be the thought process in that scrambled head of hers. I can see her telling him how well their kids get along and how they can be a happy family. However, a wedding won't necessarily stop A/A from being together. Ana can leave Carlos to be with Alberto. So it's all sort of stupid. It definitely doesn't benefit Carlos, because once Ana knows Alberto's alive he has no chance, married or not. He can make life difficult for them to ever get married, but he can't keep them apart or Alberto from seeing his son. Carlos was better off keeping quiet but now that Cristina knows he has to go along with her. I don't think I can take many more eps without him. I keep waiting for Clara to wear that red plaid shirt lol |
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Post by Christine on Oct 21, 2016 18:22:37 GMT -5
I don't think Ana and Carlos slept together. I think she cares for and admires him for being there for her and her son. I think Carlos will wait forever for her to love him. It seems like their schedules did not allow them to be as intimate plus I think whatever spare time she had she devoted her time to Alberto Jr. it seems like with her career and her son, her life is pretty full. I do believe though that Cristina is hoping to prove to Alberto how much she loves him still, so much so that she could not bring herself to marry anyone else and prove how easy Ana moved on with her life by marrying Carlos. I think that's her intent. She will try to convince him how she changed. Just my thoughts...lol I honestly can't wait for Alberto's return. That could very well be Cristina's angle. She's still all about getting Alberto back. The minute she blocked Adele from speaking to Ana, we knew she wasn't going to ever tell. Carlos is using her mental instability to his advantage though, not that he is too sane himself. She only slapped him when she demanded to see the letters and he told her they were all for Ana and none for her. She thought Alberto might have written her! My Spanish is limited, but I'm positive he also said something like hiding the truth about Alberto from Ana is the only way to get him back by her side. He's really playing her and I think he might set her up to take the fall when all is revealed. You're right, showing him how loyal she is could be something she tries to get Alberto with even though it's completely delusional, but that's want she is. He's been rejected in his mind by Ana for years and never once did he seek Cristina out. He hates her and she probably won't acknowledge that or that he has most likely been with 100 women that are 1000x better than she is and he still can't get over Ana. He never loved Cristina, not before, during or after the marriage, but her narcissistic personality disorder won't allow her admit that to herself. If her father didn't buy him, she would still be waiting for him to pay her any attention. She thinks she can convince him like she did with Raul and Humebeto (or so she thinks). We know she's pushy. She thinks getting Ana out of the way will miraculously restore him to her side. She doesn't aknowledge the lack of love, compatibility, all the past history and the fact that it's 5-6 years later. I think she really believes Alberto thinks about her. Ana did step aside and Alberto still wanted nothing to do with her and got the annulment. It's sort of funny because when Cristina faked her pregnancy she was told Ana to step aside to not split a family and her crazy self is trying to do just that now. She always thought with Ana out of the way, he would come back to her, so that might still be the thought process in that scrambled head of hers. I can see her telling him how their kids get along and how they can be a happy family. However, a wedding won't nessaarily stop A/A from being together. Ana can leave Carlos to be with Alberto. So it's all sort of stupid. It definitely doesn't benefit Carlos, because once Ana knows Alberto's alive he has no chance, married or not. He can make life difficult for them to ever get married, but he can't keep them apart or Alberto from seeing his son. Carlos was better off keeping quiet but now that Cristina knows he has to go along with her. I don't think I can take many more eps without him. I keep waiting for Clara to wear that red plaid shirt lol Hang in there Laura two more episode he should appear at the end of episode six or five 🕵️♀️🕵️♀️ |
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Post by Lara on Oct 21, 2016 18:59:41 GMT -5
That could very well be Cristina's angle. She's still all about getting Alberto back. The minute she blocked Adele from speaking to Ana, we knew she wasn't going to ever tell. Carlos is using her mental instability to his advantage though, not that he is too sane himself. She only slapped him when she demanded to see the letters and he told her they were all for Ana and none for her. She thought Alberto might have written her! My Spanish is limited, but I'm positive he also said something like hiding the truth about Alberto from Ana is the only way to get him back by her side. He's really playing her and I think he might set her up to take the fall when all is revealed. You're right, showing him how loyal she is could be something she tries to get Alberto with even though it's completely delusional, but that's want she is. He's been rejected in his mind by Ana for years and never once did he seek Cristina out. He hates her and she probably won't acknowledge that or that he has most likely been with 100 women that are 1000x better than she is and he still can't get over Ana. He never loved Cristina, not before, during or after the marriage, but her narcissistic personality disorder won't allow her admit that to herself. If her father didn't buy him, she would still be waiting for him to pay her any attention. She thinks she can convince him like she did with Raul and Humebeto (or so she thinks). We know she's pushy. She thinks getting Ana out of the way will miraculously restore him to her side. She doesn't aknowledge the lack of love, compatibility, all the past history and the fact that it's 5-6 years later. I think she really believes Alberto thinks about her. Ana did step aside and Alberto still wanted nothing to do with her and got the annulment. It's sort of funny because when Cristina faked her pregnancy she was told Ana to step aside to not split a family and her crazy self is trying to do just that now. She always thought with Ana out of the way, he would come back to her, so that might still be the thought process in that scrambled head of hers. I can see her telling him how their kids get along and how they can be a happy family. However, a wedding won't nessaarily stop A/A from being together. Ana can leave Carlos to be with Alberto. So it's all sort of stupid. It definitely doesn't benefit Carlos, because once Ana knows Alberto's alive he has no chance, married or not. He can make life difficult for them to ever get married, but he can't keep them apart or Alberto from seeing his son. Carlos was better off keeping quiet but now that Cristina knows he has to go along with her. I don't think I can take many more eps without him. I keep waiting for Clara to wear that red plaid shirt lol Hang in there Laura two more episode he should appear at the end of episode six or five 🕵️♀️🕵️♀️ Let's hope Christine. 🍻 Seems like Carlos will be around until at least ep 8 😢 Does a anyone find it strange they haven't mentioned what happened to Lucia? I haven't seen Pepita either and Manolito hasn't been mentioned at all. One other thing that struck me in this ep is how bad I felt for Pedro. He's such a simpleton, especially this season, and I hate how Marco is taking advantage and treating him. |
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Post by Christine on Oct 21, 2016 19:56:14 GMT -5
Hang in there Laura two more episode he should appear at the end of episode six or five 🕵️♀️🕵️♀️ Let's hope Christine. 🍻 Seems like Carlos will be around until at least ep 8 😢 Does a anyone find it strange they haven't mentioned what happened to Lucia? I haven't seen Pepita either and Manolito hasn't been mentioned at all. One other thing that struck me in this ep is how bad I felt for Pedro. He's such a simpleton, especially this season, and I hate how Marco is taking advantage and treating him. How about auntie Pilar what happened to her and her store ? What is the name of the singer I forgot I hope she comes for Ann's wedding and Elvira too the real wedding 😜 |
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)... we men are less likely to keep relationships in touch though, that's maybe something that women can't understand, but for men friendship it's a bit different. We don't believe that distance takes a toll in our friendship, and we are wrong about it, but we are always supportive of each other if our relationship is like Alberto and Mateo, even if we beat the crap of each other like they did.
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