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Post by primusoars on Oct 10, 2016 22:00:16 GMT -5
Thank u very much for translating part 1 and part 2 for us. I realize it is a lot of work and u have a day job too. I appreciate it very very much. Thank u ! Thank u!
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Post by primusoars on Oct 10, 2016 22:15:48 GMT -5
I love little Alberto. He has some of his father's characteristics. eg. When Ana puts him in his bed he turns to lie on his stomach cradling his pillow like his father. Also when he was pleading with his mother he looked at her with those puppy dog eyes the same way Alberto would look at Ana. Lol or is it because I miss Alberto so much that I try to look for him in his son? I agree Alberto Jr have some of Alberto Sr's characteristics and the shape of his face just look like Alberto. He does not look like Carlos at all. They chose a very very good little actors including little Cristina. I m disappointed with Clara too like some of u, hope in the end she and Mateo will resolve their issues. I guess it is nostalgic to see them together and it means so much has happened and life was not necessary being kind to any of them. Just may be this last season things can bring them all back together. |
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Post by debmac on Oct 10, 2016 22:18:51 GMT -5
I can relate I'm not a fan of Christina either. this new Christina is so calculated. She is careful about everything she says but I'm not buying it. She's had a crazy look a few times too. Ana has every right to still be terrified of her. Even the way she explained to her daughter why she can't be friends with Alberto shows she is the same snotty spoiled person she always was. I loved how Alberto Jr asked to go to the roof and see the stars because it was their tradition. I love how Ana has incorporated Alberto into their lives even though he is gone. Totally cried watching that scene. I love that scene with Alberto Junior and Ana on the roof too. I love how Alberto is apart of their lives even though he is not around and she did make Carlos take his place as a father. I don't believe Cristina has changed one bit. I think she realizes a lot of people turned against her so she is being convincing to build up allies. When she saw Alberto Junior I saw that verge of craziness in her eyes. She couldn't stand to look at him. OMG, I can't wait for episode two. |
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Post by Latin Goddess on Oct 10, 2016 23:38:06 GMT -5
Gracias por los dos partes!! Que rico!
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Post by Latin Goddess on Oct 10, 2016 23:39:41 GMT -5
We'll know whether Cristina has changed based on what she learns from Adele. If she's changed, she'll come clean, if not...well. Crazy is as Crazy does ;-).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 5:50:36 GMT -5
Watch the scene again and focus in Enrique tone, he is really frustrated and mad when the notary tells him that he is not the heir of everything, he probably expected to take care of all expenses of his sister but having the control of all the family assets, so he is in jerk-Enrique mode. You will notice that once her sister starts reading the letter his attitude changes. Then, when he reads the letter because his sister can't go on, the tone, the pace, the language he uses (in spanish he just sounds very respectful), he is still frustrated but he is not mad anymore.
Respecting Cristina, in MV preview she stated that she goes to the galleries with the firm idea of making amends with Ana, and the way she expressed and acted in the whole episode denoted just that. The only moment she lost her coolness was when her daughter went missing... but any caring parent will act like that. The only way she is not going to be redeemed is if she mistreats her child, and judging by little Cristina behaviour, Cristina is a wonderful mother, so it's extremely unlikely. By the way, this whole "it's very narcissistic to name you child after you", in Spain is something pretty common, it's quite probable that her grandmother was also a "Cristina". That's why we, spaniards, frequently use diminutives like "Mateíto" instead of Mateo.
Clara and Mateo secret... i'm wondering if she really doesn't remember what he did, while Mateo actually remembers it and it was a present/detail he wanted to have that Clara misunderstood...
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Post by amh08 on Oct 11, 2016 6:45:47 GMT -5
Interesting that it is common to use the same name for your children. Typically only boys have the same name as their father or grandfather here in the US. I assumed Mateo's "moms" called him Mateito because they still treat him like a child and call him a pet name like sweety or honey.
I can't wait for episode 2 to see more!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 7:46:36 GMT -5
Interesting that it is common to use the same name for your children. Typically only boys have the same name as their father or grandfather here in the US. I assumed Mateo's "moms" called him Mateito because they still treat him like a child and call him a pet name like sweety or honey. And they do, the "ito" (or "ita" if girl) is commonly used with kids, but also, when father and son or mother and daughter have the same names they stick with you all your life when your family speaks to you, i know it perfectly well, it's my case  Anyway in Spain it doesn't have such negative impression, i would say it adds to the how loneliest Cristina has felt these years of isolation. |
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Post by northboundtrain on Oct 11, 2016 7:52:54 GMT -5
Watch the scene again and focus in Enrique tone, he is really frustrated and mad when the notary tells him that he is not the heir of everything, he probably expected to take care of all expenses of his sister but having the control of all the family assets, so he is in jerk-Enrique mode. You will notice that once her sister starts reading the letter his attitude changes. Then, when he reads the letter because his sister can't go on, the tone, the pace, the language he uses (in spanish he just sounds very respectful), he is still frustrated but he is not mad anymore. I definitely noticed he was calmer and softer about it...but I just kept remembering that he wanted the letter read as soon as possible and saw his motion to take the letter from her as a continuation of that wish. I will take your word for it about the Spanish...it may be I'm being too hard on him in this instance. My problem isn't the narcissism at all (I live in the States and I've had good female friends who have the same first names as their mothers) but just that it seemed calculated by the writers to fit the whole "history repeating" thing they want to do with the kids. Though I realized that earlier I said I wanted Cristina to name her daughter after her mother and forgot that Enrique/Barbara already used that name, Lourdes, for their daughter. That's a good guess. I've been going back and forth on it...sometimes I think it'll be played for comic relief in that it will turn out to be something minor that one/both blew out of proportion, and other times I think the CURRENT comic relief (Clara freaking out, destroying the magazine) might be meant to mask that whatever happened was actually pretty depressing...possibly still a misunderstanding, but something that convinced them both they had to break-up because they weren't ready to be married. |
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Post by amh08 on Oct 11, 2016 9:37:46 GMT -5
My comment about the narcissism was basically that Cristina is the same self centered person she's always been. I'm just not buying yet that she has changed. Time will tell....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 13:02:56 GMT -5
My problem isn't the narcissism at all (I live in the States and I've had good female friends who have the same first names as their mothers) but just that it seemed calculated by the writers to fit the whole "history repeating" thing they want to do with the kids. I don't understand why you people dislike this idea, i like it a lot. Albertito is the new Ana (who probably didn't know her father either) living in the galleries, Ana is her uncle Emilio, Cristinita is Alberto and Cristina is Don Rafael. They share a common dark history which is going to interfere in the kids friendship. But with a couple of new twists, genders are swapped and this is the 60.s, Ana herself said classes are dead now, and the kids are not going to understand nor are going to be explained the dark link between the families (not all days your mother tells you someone wanted to kill you when you were still unborn). They were a bit mean with Cristina when they set up the meeting scene also, she was angry because Cristinita has dissapeared and she asked very nervous who Albertito was, the kid (who is awesome, excellent cast) looked really scared, and then, on top of that, Ana appears when Cristina is looking with a mad face her son, i think writers had a lot of fun when they created this  . They embodied the "ni contigo ni sin ti" a popular spanish saying, "neither with you nor without you", is this also said in english? I would say it's a minor thing which made them explode after living together for a while and once the "heat of the moment" dissipated they were too stubborn to ask for forgiveness. I didn't think in something pretty depressing, it's not like something you would associate to this couple... something like Clara suffering a miscarriage and Mateo telling her in a rage that he would not have ever a child with her? i don't know... |
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Post by Christine on Oct 11, 2016 15:47:05 GMT -5
My problem isn't the narcissism at all (I live in the States and I've had good female friends who have the same first names as their mothers) but just that it seemed calculated by the writers to fit the whole "history repeating" thing they want to do with the kids. I don't understand why you people dislike this idea, i like it a lot. Albertito is the new Ana (who probably didn't know her father either) living in the galleries, Ana is her uncle Emilio, Cristinita is Alberto and Cristina is Don Rafael. They share a common dark history which is going to interfere in the kids friendship. But with a couple of new twists, genders are swapped and this is the 60.s, Ana herself said classes are dead now, and the kids are not going to understand nor are going to be explained the dark link between the families (not all days your mother tells you someone wanted to kill you when you were still unborn). They were a bit mean with Cristina when they set up the meeting scene also, she was angry because Cristinita has dissapeared and she asked very nervous who Albertito was, the kid (who is awesome, excellent cast) looked really scared, and then, on top of that, Ana appears when Cristina is looking with a mad face her son, i think writers had a lot of fun when they created this . They embodied the "ni contigo ni sin ti" a popular spanish saying, "neither with you nor without you", is this also said in english? I would say it's a minor thing which made them explode after living together for a while and once the "heat of the moment" dissipated they were too stubborn to ask for forgiveness. I didn't think in something pretty depressing, it's not like something you would associate to this couple... something like Clara suffering a miscarriage and Mateo telling her in a rage that he would not have ever a child with h i don't know... Alfi thanks 🙏🏿 again for the translation. In English we would say that Clara and matao can't live with you can't live without you 😠😱😍 |
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Post by northboundtrain on Oct 11, 2016 16:56:30 GMT -5
I don't understand why you people dislike this idea, i like it a lot. Albertito is the new Ana (who probably didn't know her father either) living in the galleries, Ana is her uncle Emilio, Cristinita is Alberto and Cristina is Don Rafael. They share a common dark history which is going to interfere in the kids friendship. But with a couple of new twists, genders are swapped and this is the 60.s, Ana herself said classes are dead now, and the kids are not going to understand nor are going to be explained the dark link between the families (not all days your mother tells you someone wanted to kill you when you were still unborn). It's not the history repeating itself I take issue with, because you're right that the writers could take that to some cool places to help further develop the adult characters. It's that they felt the need to hammer it home by naming both children after their parents. I know we would have gotten what they were trying to do if little Cristina were named something else, like Alicia or something. You're right, the scene was set up very well to increase the tension even beyond what it might ordinarily have been. I've heard something similar to what Christine posted: "Can't live with him (or her), can't live without him (or her)!" I don't mean depressing in a life-or-death sort of way, but more like depressing in the sense that one or both felt that the other was taking the other for granted or something. Like Mateo working hard and being forgetful and hurting Clara's feelings, or the two of them just arguing and arguing and then tearfully deciding to separate, especially after one or both said something they don't mean. I'd find any of that depressing because I do think they belong together -- it just may be that they weren't ready to get married when they did. |
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Post by Angelica on Oct 11, 2016 18:12:10 GMT -5
I don't understand why you people dislike this idea, i like it a lot. Albertito is the new Ana (who probably didn't know her father either) living in the galleries, Ana is her uncle Emilio, Cristinita is Alberto and Cristina is Don Rafael. They share a common dark history which is going to interfere in the kids friendship. But with a couple of new twists, genders are swapped and this is the 60.s, Ana herself said classes are dead now, and the kids are not going to understand nor are going to be explained the dark link between the families (not all days your mother tells you someone wanted to kill you when you were still unborn). It's not the history repeating itself I take issue with, because you're right that the writers could take that to some cool places to help further develop the adult characters. It's that they felt the need to hammer it home by naming both children after their parents. I know we would have gotten what they were trying to do if little Cristina were named something else, like Alicia or something.Yeah, I agree. This bothers me a lot. |
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Post by Christine on Oct 11, 2016 18:20:18 GMT -5
My problem isn't the narcissism at all (I live in the States and I've had good female friends who have the same first names as their mothers) but just that it seemed calculated by the writers to fit the whole "history repeating" thing they want to do with the kids. I don't understand why you people dislike this idea, i like it a lot. Albertito is the new Ana (who probably didn't know her father either) living in the galleries, Ana is her uncle Emilio, Cristinita is Alberto and Cristina is Don Rafael. They share a common dark history which is going to interfere in the kids friendship. But with a couple of new twists, genders are swapped and this is the 60.s, Ana herself said classes are dead now, and the kids are not going to understand nor are going to be explained the dark link between the families (not all days your mother tells you someone wanted to kill you when you were still unborn). They were a bit mean with Cristina when they set up the meeting scene also, she was angry because Cristinita has dissapeared and she asked very nervous who Albertito was, the kid (who is awesome, excellent cast) looked really scared, and then, on top of that, Ana appears when Cristina is looking with a mad face her son, i think writers had a lot of fun when they created this . They embodied the "ni contigo ni sin ti" a popular spanish saying, "neither with you nor without you", is this also said in english? I would say it's a minor thing which made them explode after living together for a while and once the "heat of the moment" dissipated they were too stubborn to ask for forgiveness. I didn't think in something pretty depressing, it's not like something you would associate to this couple... something like Clara suffering a miscarriage and Mateo telling her in a rage that he would not have ever a child with her? i don't know... [ Alfi Ann hair looks good 😊 on her but what is up with Patricia's hair is that her real hair or a wig if it is a wig it is a bad one I wear wigs sometimes times and I get compliments and how great my hair looks and I would say it is a wig and one would believe me because it looks like my real hair dont they have good wigs in Spain ? Alfi I know you are music 🎶 lover like me I love the new songs that they added how about you do you like them? |
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Anyway in Spain it doesn't have such negative impression, i would say it adds to the how loneliest Cristina has felt these years of isolation. 
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